There is such a thing as a non-PVP character in EVE? Must have missed the button in the character creation screen. If only I could go back and select it, I too would enjoy the advantages of risk-free income and complete immunity. My buddies would love me as I would provide them with accurate intel on the enemy without risking my ship. I too would enjoy not playing the 0.01 isk game in trade hubs. I too would be able to haul 200 plexes in an ibis on autopilot from Jita to Amarr. I too would be perfectly immune to bumping. I too would not see scams in Jita local. I too would be able to fly a fully Estamel-Fit Tengu and leave it 23/7 AFK for all to see. I too could enjoy playing a game that could as well be playable offline.

Highsec mining definatly needs some sort of risk injected into it. As it stands right now there is no real threat to them.

Well when they were getting ganked miners also enjoyed the best profits they have ever seen which is a rather nice thing. It also removed a great deal of bots which is also great for everyone.

But risk for miners doesnt have to be only from pvp.

I'm not sure it would be conducive to your cause to continue along this line of reasoning.

You don't want miners to be directly associated with actually supporting botting, do you? Besides, you must realize the havoc bots wreak on the economy.

Value = Demand / Supply. As supply goes up, value goes down. Bots relentlessly contribute to supply in a way designed specifically to mininimize demand.

Give that some thought, please.

So you dedicate half your post to atacking me most likely because I am an "evil ganker" and then say you love miners earning less. My irony gland is tingling.

All well and good. However, your arguments cannot be resolved logically or mathematically. Either you want low prices, or you want high prices.

Either you want successful miners to earn peanuts, or you want successful miners to earn reasonable income.

There really isn't a middle of the road here.

Also, I have it on good authority that bot authors hated Hulkageddon. Which is interesting, considering prices earned at market by successful miners during Hulkageddon were among the highest ever earned in Eve.

Thanks for your replies.

Before this forever train continues I would just like to point out the the biggest crash has been in the ice markets which were not impacted by gun mining in any way. The low end mineral markets have so far only dropped slightly but because of the large quantities required it has had an impact and the prices will continue to fall but at a slower pace than ice has. Already we are seeing high sec systems utterly stripped clean within hours of the sever shutdown by bot fleets which is something I have never seen in the seven or eight years I have been playing.

You're taking that out of context. All of those aside from FW cannot be done AFK, except for maybe mission running in a drone boat. They all require invested time aside from FW.