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loyalanon
The Conference Elite
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Posted - 2012.10.09 04:42:00 -
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So I have been reading up on the new Crimewatch updates coming out in the next expansion and so far all I can say is it looks total ****.
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What is your take on it?
How can gankers profit from ganking?
lets visit the following scenario -
Player A shoots Player B and player B blows up.
Player B's wreck drops, now when you loot that wreck you are freely attackable by everyone,
CCP have given into the carebears demands and given into the demands of Miners wanting to AFK mine without fear of being ganked by buffing the EHP on all mining barges, with the upcoming crimewatch changes to be implemented this to seems as a way to give in to carebear demands.
They have now pretty much effectively given into remove all forms of unprovoked aggression in high sec.
When I first started playing eve, I played due to the nature of eve, and how you are never safe when undocked and you can partake in non-consensual pvp with other players.
Now it seems that this game while promoting piracy and doing bad deeds to people in-game, it is effectively ruined to cater to the highsec carebears demands of a safer playground for them to mine in. but yet CCP are still promoting it as a Combat Zone that anyone can be a part of.
Whats next? will low sec pvp also be outlawed because carebears cant pvp safely?
While this may seem like a rant, I would appreciate your thoughts on the above. While CCP is a business and needs to make money, they have ruined and lost sight of what makes eve a great game. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2643
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Posted - 2012.10.09 04:50:00 -
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We shall see... soon "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
Taoist Dragon
Forced Penetration
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Posted - 2012.10.09 06:19:00 -
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It's just a different set of rules to work with thats all.
TBH i think it is fine.
Adapt or die. vOv That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
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Posted - 2012.10.09 06:33:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:It's just a different set of rules to work with thats all.
TBH i think it is fine.
Adapt or die. vOv
I like the quote - Adapt or Die.
You have given me food for thought my good sir. |
Taoist Dragon
Forced Penetration
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Posted - 2012.10.09 06:46:00 -
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Other thing to think about is that you won't go GCC by attacking and blowing someone up in Low sec.
you'll get a 'suspect' flag instead. and tbh it probably won't affect any of the pirates/ls pvp'er that I know in any meaningfull way really. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
296
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Posted - 2012.10.09 08:40:00 -
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Jesus, seems like there is no lack of whiners and crybabies these days. The new crimewatch will be just fine, and I personally welcome the chance to kill more people for attacking me simply by can flipping.
Lets be real though, the EHP buffs on exhumers haven't made it any harder to gank, tbqh. I can still solo kill a Hulk in a 0.5 with a T2 blaster fitted Catalyst. I usually do it with friends anyways, because you know...share the joy!
But lets look at the premise of your argument. If you did something to someone in highsec that gets them to aggress you, you've already become a Suspect and subject to attack from everyone anyways, regardless if you kill them and take the loot. Most highsec carebears are too cowardly to try to fight you anyways, but if they do it'll probably be in a terribad fit ship. This will only lead to more kills by those who know what their friggen doing.
I'm personally welcoming the changes to lowsec small gang warfare. No more stupid 15 minute GCC just for shooting someone is really nice, and the fact that you can roam with logi so much easier is even better.
Perhaps you need to drop your sack a little, leave highsec, and learn to come pvp in lowsec. It's finally going to be worth it again!
CCP Soundwave gave a good talk during Eve Vegas about how he'd eventually like to get rid of Concord all together and have the players be the police in Eve. He also mentions how the "Circle of Dickery" is their ideal goal where causing harm entices revenge, thus making a domino effect and completing the circle. The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Ra Jackson
CRIMINALS IN ACTION
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Posted - 2012.10.09 09:01:00 -
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Some gankers and canflippers really are the biggest crybabies.. terrible. "Oh noes, now I actually have to put effort into looting/canflipping." What's your problem? Don't gank and loot in front of Jita 4-4 and you should be fine |
Aducat Ragnarson
Cult of the Black Goat Dark Taboo
12
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Posted - 2012.10.09 09:59:00 -
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I believe that this will actually bring more pvp into highsec. Just imagine, all the systems are filled with can flippers who can shoot each other freely. Of course it might put a dent into ganking a freigther and looting it then, as the looter can be shot by everyone, but you can adapt to that by being quick with the loot and warping off. The usual can flippers might not be able to securly kill noobs anymore, but I hope that this will somewhat revive frig pvp in the form of can flippers fighting all over the place against each other, which is a lot more interesting for everyone. If the stupid barge is not willing to take the flip, you will still be able to find targets, or be found.
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
276
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Posted - 2012.10.09 10:08:00 -
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If the OP is as "elite" as his corp name would suggest, I'm sure he'd find a way to work the system like the rest of us. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
132
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Posted - 2012.10.09 10:58:00 -
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Good bye pvp eve and say hello to wow in space. This truly would be the final nail in the coffin so 2013 could be the last year of eve? Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
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Cannibal Kane
The Angel of Death
613
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:13:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Good bye pvp eve and say hello to wow in space. This truly would be the final nail in the coffin so 2013 could be the last year of eve?
My DEC list just get longer and longer.
Any any event. This is going to cause alot more kills and people shooting at each other. SO next time you flip that random can or wreck 16km off a gate. Everybody is going to shoot at you.
Good times. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
789
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:17:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:It's just a different set of rules to work with thats all.
TBH i think it is fine.
Adapt or die. vOv
Which is another way of saying like it or lump it but never complain about it. One of the worst Mems out there bit like the word "Sandbox" which is fine until you figure an actual way to play in a real sandbox way and it either gets nerfed or you get banned for a exploit. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
327
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:24:00 -
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loyalanon wrote: When I first started playing eve, I played due to the nature of eve, and how you are never safe when undocked and you can partake in non-consensual pvp with other players.
"Waaaaaaa, I dont like it when I'm the one the non-consentual pvp happens to."
So let me get this straight.... you love ganking hisec haullers and/or mining barges, "woohoo HTFU stupid bears!!!!" Yet as soon as there is a chance that your actions could receive some retaliation, "its not fair, I dont want any pewpew"
Jeebus, what a massive cry baby!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:26:00 -
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New crimewatch is going to be glorious.
Canflippers/griefers are finally going to get what they claim to want......lots more pvp in highsec.
Just...it might not be the pvp they want.....
I can't wait to see some guy in a Hurricane flip a newbs can in Couster and then get bum-rushed by 200+ Velators......
It will be glorious, I tell you. |
Gallente Citizen 827473904528
LoGisTicAl ERr0R
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:37:00 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:New crimewatch is going to be glorious. Canflippers/griefers are finally going to get what they claim to want......lots more pvp in highsec. Just...it might not be the pvp they want..... I can't wait to see some guy in a Hurricane flip a newbs can in Couster and then get bum-rushed by 200+ Velators...... It will be glorious, I tell you.
Looking forward to 200 kill mails
It'll be fun to watch the wannabe heroes trying to save the day and gaining extra kill mails |
Tortise Winkle VonDudenberg
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:44:00 -
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loyalanon wrote: How can gankers profit from ganking?
The same way they always did. Point click f1. Sept now you have to bring backup and choose targets wisely instead of just gankin everything. Far to long have gankers had the upper hand. Now its a level playing field. Like dude up there said "Adapt or Die".
loyalanon wrote: lets visit the following scenario -
Player A shoots Player B and player B blows up.
Player B's wreck drops, now when you loot that wreck you are freely attackable by everyone,
Uhhh when you attack player b. Your already flagged. That wreck is your least concern.
loyalanon wrote: CCP have given into the carebears demands and given into the demands of Miners wanting to AFK mine without fear of being ganked by buffing the EHP on all mining barges, with the upcoming crimewatch changes to be implemented this to seems as a way to give in to carebear demands.
They have now pretty much effectively given into remove all forms of unprovoked aggression in high sec.
When I first started playing eve, I played due to the nature of eve, and how you are never safe when undocked and you can partake in non-consensual pvp with other players.
You are still never safe when you undock and never will be. The only thing changing is that other people can shoot you for being a bad now. Its no longer "undock find someone to gank, gank, Scoop loot rinse repeat". If they have to watch out for you. Why shouldn't you have to watch out for them? Being a bit one sided are you not?
loyalanon wrote: Now it seems that this game while promoting piracy and doing bad deeds to people in-game, it is effectively ruined to cater to the highsec carebears demands of a safer playground for them to mine in. but yet CCP are still promoting it as a Combat Zone that anyone can be a part of.
You say zone as if you just logged off of WoW. I suggest reloggin. While also promoting piracy and doing bad things to people . CCP will be promoting policing, And bounty hunting. Add those to the list of "things to do within eve". More player creatable content we shall call it
loyalanon wrote: Whats next? will low sec pvp also be outlawed because carebears cant pvp safely?
Uhhh dude. Carebears don't pvp. And the ones that do, You wouldn't engage anyway.
Blatant rant that wasnt even thought through correctly. Before posting take a break. Log in your panda. level him up a few, run through feids of ponies and stuff. Drink a warm glass of tea. Then see if you still feel the same. If you do. Go ahead and post Tiger (or panda). |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
23
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:15:00 -
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Gallente Citizen 827473904528 wrote:Looking forward to 200 kill mails It'll be fun to watch the wannabe heroes trying to save the day and gaining extra kill mails
Yes, because he'll smartbomb them all, obviously.
Never seen what 20+ frigs can do to a battleship/cruiser, have you?
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
156
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:28:00 -
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I see countless ships dying - kitet away from undocks by can-flippers... |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
258
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:29:00 -
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Looks like a massive buff to hi sec pew pewers to me. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
156
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:32:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Looks like a massive buff to hi sec pew pewers to me.
I had some time to think about it. First I was sceptic and only saw the downsides...but I think pvp will benefit a lot of the new Crimewatch...not only in highsec. |
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Ristlin Wakefield
Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance
106
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:44:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Good bye pvp eve and say hello to wow in space. This truly would be the final nail in the coffin so 2013 could be the last year of eve?
I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
jimmyjam
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerate Clockwork Pineapple
63
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Posted - 2012.10.09 17:59:00 -
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I dont pvp or pirate in low sec /high sec so i dont care. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
372
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Posted - 2012.10.09 18:16:00 -
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So let me see if I understand this.
Current mechanics
Pilot A ganks Pilot B. Pilot B ends up in a pod. Pilot A gets concorded, ends up in a pod.
Neutral loot scooping alt for pilot A swoops in and grabs the loot. Loot alt gets flagged as shootable by Pilot B, which is basically a joke since you just put that guy in a pod. So essentially your loot scooping alt is pretty "safe"
With the new mechanic, your neutral loot alt will now be at greater risk of getting "ganked"
Am I the only one that finds gankers complaining about this hilariously ironic? |
Ristlin Wakefield
Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance
106
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Posted - 2012.10.09 18:23:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:So let me see if I understand this. Current mechanics Pilot A ganks Pilot B. Pilot B ends up in a pod. Pilot A gets concorded, ends up in a pod. Neutral loot scooping alt for pilot A swoops in and grabs the loot. Loot alt gets flagged as shootable by Pilot B, which is basically a joke since you just put that guy in a pod. So essentially your loot scooping alt is pretty "safe" With the new mechanic, your neutral loot alt will now be at greater risk of getting "ganked" Am I the only one that finds gankers complaining about this hilariously ironic?
Quality tears! I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
Huttan Funaila
222 EVE 2 2 2
26
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Posted - 2012.10.09 19:58:00 -
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Even I can figure half a dozen ways to abuse the new mechanics to grief other players - and no matter how twisty and devious I think I am getting, there are several others out there in New Eden who make me seem as straight as a laser beam. |
Karrl Tian
Star-Trackers
2
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Posted - 2012.10.09 21:12:00 -
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jimmyjam wrote:I dont pvp or pirate in low sec /high sec so i dont care.
First they came for the highsec griefer and I said nothing because I was not a highsec griefer.... |
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
11
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Posted - 2012.10.09 22:34:00 -
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I guess we will see what happens in the new update. Maybe I should rat my sec status up
Thanks for the input |
Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
96
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Posted - 2012.10.09 22:43:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:Other thing to think about is that you won't go GCC by attacking and blowing someone up in Low sec.
you'll get a 'suspect' flag instead. and tbh it probably won't affect any of the pirates/ls pvp'er that I know in any meaningfull way really. I for one welcome our new frigate overlords. |
Taoist Dragon
Forced Penetration
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Posted - 2012.10.10 00:46:00 -
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Dibblerette wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:Other thing to think about is that you won't go GCC by attacking and blowing someone up in Low sec.
you'll get a 'suspect' flag instead. and tbh it probably won't affect any of the pirates/ls pvp'er that I know in any meaningfull way really. I for one welcome our new frigate overlords.
Bow down to the might of the frigate!!!
All hail the executioner! That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer! |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
647
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Posted - 2012.10.10 06:57:00 -
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I like cake Light-Missile Condors.
Time will tell, I guess... Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
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