So, all that being said, we have a great concept to expand the EVE Universe but now is not the right time for us to take that step. ItGÇÖs a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it wonGÇÖt mean removing developers and focus from flying in space. So, for the time being, watch this space with regards to exploration gameplay for EVE avatars. The Avatar team will now be turning its attention to features it can put out for EVE in our winter expansion and beyond.

It's better to show commitment and deliver a little, than ignore and deliver nothing.

Yea, except they didn't deliver a "little". The poured development time into creating an entire new engine (Carbon), which Eve runs on now.

Errr.. In a strange kind of way, that is what I was saying.... I think... I'm not really 100% sure what the point of that post was, lol.

The purpose of CARBON has been discussed in other dev blogs, but in short the goal is to separate game specific code and game agnostic code, the benefit of which will be simpler maintenance and better use of development resources.

Don't forget the YEARS during which the rest of EVE was heavily neglected while they worked on the Carbon and character creator. If WiS is abandoned, that entire effort is utterly wasted. What good is that "cutting edge" character creation if nobody will ever see it? Time not-too-well wasted, if you ask me.

Problem with this way of looking at things is that this stuff gets outdated fairly quick. When CCP was still hinting at ambulation, and showing those short videos and whatnot, that stuff was absolutely bleeding cutting edge. Even when they released Inarna it was arguably the best character creator (I say arguably because a lot of games had comparable or better in some areas stuff, like APB). However, bare-bones Incarna came out two years ago. Another two to three years, and that stuff will be obsolete. And when is WoD coming out? My magic 8-ball says "Not anytime soon".

Bottom line, making all that stuff and then not making any reasonable use of it, while the content is getting older and getting closer to being outdated year after year, is not a very smart move.

This this happen yet? Saw anything of note?

So, the "prototyping the future" keynote wasn't twitched after all, and all WiS content was: nothing.

we could go back to before the Carbon engine ,remove the ships made after that or better, go back to the old shaders.
Remove turret and missile animation as well , before carbon not possible.


You know what ,remove the carbon engine and let CCP try to do the same, they did the last few years

Lets look at the WOD tech and see how it can be applied to Eve Online.

The only problem with WiS is that people like you are a dude from the past.

I hadn't heard that. Hi-lar-ious.

Here: http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/Article/750/Exclusive-IncarnaCarbon-Forked-Between-EVE-and-WoD-MMO.aspx

With macro development detached since roughly november 2011, essentially whatever goes on in WoD will stay in WoD and anything made at EVE (i.e. zero, nothing, nada) would be EVE only.

Yeah they will not make WIS, because they (not me) have already DUST. I mean Fighting On Planets, and we will see where else..

And people can say Dust is another game engine and Valkerie is sharing art ,they pull way more dev time from EvE ,than that 5 men dev team called Team Avatar ever could do.


Edit : and show us this time ,what they were doing just before they were disbanded

Personally I prefer to stick to real information provided by CCP staff than to some half baked notions and speculation of what their work is/was/should be

It's really good to hear from a Dev in this thread, but it does beg the question 'Why bother to post if there is no plan to ever implement this?'.

WiS has to happen. CCP needs to recognize that if games like Star Citizen can offer ten percent of what they're promising, EVE is going to take a huge hit without development of things like WiS.

If they really try to someday push avatar gameplay as a separate game to EVE, then that is the day I quit this game for good. The mere thought alone is nothing short of moronic.

Apparently "EVE Boardroom" image is the most upvoted link in EVE sub-reddit today. Image of a feature which does not exist is twice more popular than devs post about SoE battleship.

Imagine - how interesting it could be if it actually worked?

Not very suprising, and why do you quote Lipbite? this has nothing to do with her post.

Shamelessly bumping The Thread to post something interesting I crafted earlier today:

Arguments in favor of avatars as they were in 2011, and still are valid in 2013:

- provide a immersive New Player Experience
- improve player attachment to the game
- optimize and exploit the resources spent in developing WoD
- gain female players
- enable vanity microtransactions
- expand EVE beyond its "cult" niche

Arguments new and specific to 2013:

- attract new players
- compete against a new generation of "classic" space games featuring avatars
- expand beyond its stagnant niche

Must be noted that all the points above except the expansion can be achieved without additional gameplay. Must be noted too that the ongoing Hallelujah Plan does not adress any of the above.

Just look at PCU versus marketing expense

I am not advocating a new game built into the client for a new playerbase the incarna client and CQ is already there.

CCP would rather it not be a niche game though. That's why they are looking for mass market appeal with shooters and consoles.

Station D-scan, visit CQ click D-scan on your big screen and you get to see what is outside the station up to the 14au maximum without having to undock using the station's sensors as clearly your ship is in the hanger. Not everyone has got an alt outside and not everyone flies in small gangs with scouts, plus this is really easy to implement within the existing code and is easily supported by the existing lore.

That is not even a sensible answer. At no time did I suggest that CCP = EVE.

Of course I have it, their financial statements are publicly available on their website.

Well, currently SC haves 325,490 supporters, which are more unique customers than EVE haves. And SC aims straight at the core of the following EVE demographics:

- "Casual" players
- Solo players
- PvE players
- Hisec players
- aspiring avatar PvP players
- aspiring avatar PvE players

That's about 60 to 80% of the subscriber base. They simply are too many as to disregard the chances that a fraction of them actually unsub to never come back.

And, of course, there's Elite: Dangerous too.

People who don't like PvP and avoid it by any means are a majority in EVE. They are CCP's "wrong customers", and what should CCP do about them?

Eve is a living work of Science Fiction, a sandbox mmo.

I refer to your earlier post that Eve is all about PVP, you reply as highlighted above is utterly random and adds nothing to the discussion.

Why talk about WiS? Because it's better than don't talk about it.

You really are a dumb ass. Yea, CCP has an office full of people working on a game they never intend to release. Of course, that makes perfect sense.

I take an extended break 1-2 times a year, I recommend this to anyone who has been playing more than a couple years.

It's a great time to do it too, summer is coming, the trees are blooming, and the wimmenz are starting to wear less and less again.