CCP isnt getting rid of this, they are just making it harder to do it in the traditional way. Smart griefers will find ways to adapt. Personally, I like the change to neutrals getting involved in 1v1 conflicts. I always hated it when someone would have a neutral come rep them and you couldnt do anything about it.

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That's an exercise in consensual pvp - putting cans in front of jita undock is not what im talking about -- imo thats not can flipping. "True" can flipping involved getting someone to engage in pvp when they really didnt want to or expect to. And besides ccp is putting in a lock that is defaulted to from the start that will prevent you from flipping a can in empire - so I doubt there is going to be a boost to can flipping - its just going to be reduced to consensual fights.

You have to have cans to flip. In case you havent noticed, the barge changes rendered can mining obsolete. The current fotom is reterivers for the afk miner and macks for everyone else.

I take it you've never actually flipped a can, huh?

Here is what would happen if someone in a system I was in got suspect flagged by doing normal canflipping (taking a can from a miner and dumping it back out) under crimewatch 2. Someone else from my corp would decloak in their sensor boosting stealth bomber and point them then I'd warp in from a pounce in my tornado and alpha them.

You see the difference between that and being able to identify who might actually come and shoot you based on their corp membership?

Sorry, but I'm going to have to call bullshit on you there on account of that clearly not being a realistic outcome and you apparently not having the foggiest idea how looting rights work.

Actually, before this the remote repper had no aggression timer for his repping another player and could dock/jump at any point, effectively making him immune to effective counter attack.

Hrm. 2/10 for all caps and multiple exclamation points.

Not just station games. The tactic works just as well for gate work.

Post change the logi won't be able to dock or jump until the timer wears off for his repping target... meaning that it doesn't go away if his repping target continues aggressing. If his target dies despite his repping, he still has to deal with the remainder of the timer. This makes it MUCH easier to attack him and actually kill him.

I'll have to check again, but I believe the logi inherets the same type of timer as his repping target, so if the target is shootable by all so too will be the logi.

This is Correct, but ignores the vice-versa scenario... which is broken.

It is correct that a Logi inherits the same flags as his repping target, and possibly more.

If a neutral logi reps a player with a PvP flag (this will change to a Weapons flag soon, because the PvP flag is obnoxiously exploitable), they become a Suspect and shootable by all.

If a logi reps a Suspect or Criminal (which is shootable by ALL), it becomes a Suspect or Criminal (and shootable by all).

However, you can still get free logistics from corp, militia, and alliance mates. If a logi reps a Corp/Alliance/Militia member, they will inherit any flags they have, but they will NOT inherit any limited engagement stuffs. So, if your corp mate is shooting a Suspect, you can rep that corp mate, and the Suspect CANNOT shoot you (assuming your corp mate doesn't do something stupid like go Suspect).

Please see the dev comment: