So, uh...how do you tell what's shield/armor/structure with the circle then? Try coloring them, perhaps.

When will the damage notification be movable
And the log be easeier to read?

So, any way to make this something we don't need to have forced on us? I kinda like the current targeting UI atm.

Please make the yellow box and red box icons still flash, its a lot easier to notice them that way :)

other than that, awesome

please make sure this adds no extra server calls or data requests from the server

I would like to see it as something we are "delivering" to you, not forcing it on you We do not want to have the 2 system living side by side, we just want to make this on right so you will like it!

please make sure this adds no extra server calls or data requests from the server

actually, after staring at the pic for a bit i see that its the lock timer. The avatar and one raven are already locked. The raven that is locked has no damage notifications on it. The raven that is being locked has a grey bar at roughly 25% of the full circle, which is confusing because in the other image the lock timer has just started (15 sec).

It isn't ewar i believe, its the lock timer which is slightly confusing considering there are two ravens.

12 oclock to 4 oclock.

Will there be an indication when I or my drones hit? What will other's drones look like that hit me? What bout ships I do not have targeted hitting me, what will they look like? Im wondering what the screen will look like when 30 NPCs are all shooting and hitting me.

What is being done to minimize server load for these icons and to compensate for those who do not use brackets? In many larger scale fleet fights brackets are turned off to make sure clients are able to function properly. For many who do not have "current series" hardware when it comes to their processor and graphics card; they may not be able to handle the extra load to their computer. I'm currently running Eve on newer hardware components, but I still keep my brackets off most of the time when I PvP.

That said, the changes look great! Looking forward to hearing more as development progresses!

Going to repost this as I do not think the devs are looking at the first couple of posts.

I like the idea behind this, as reading things can be difficult. However, can we make it more useful by having the opacity be a reflection as to how well they are hitting us instead of their damage/our HP? For instance: damage inflicted by enemy/maximum possible damage possible? Damage relative to HP isnGÇÖt all too helpful because your shipGÇÖs health is a very VERY easy stat to keep track of. However, having a visual que to knowing that you are under the guns of your opponent or that you have flown out of somoneGÇÖs optimal would be VERY helpful (as opposed to having those numbers memorized ).


Also, can we get the damage UI on every ship we have locked, not just the one we have selected? This would help out on logis as well as keeping track of primaries.

Last, with this being a really nice UI option, can we disable the stacked bar of ships we have locked? As it is already on our screen :) (would free up that vital screen space)

I'm glad you mentioned that there is something within the new aggression picture.
Being color-blind (well, only red-blind according to my doctor but who knows what that means) I missed that!

I don't get why the hit animation has to be so complicated. Make it blink when they fire. Don't need a mathematical equation for opacity, which nobody's going to be paying much attention to anyway.

As far as the animation goes when you're establishing target lock, you could make it like a timer that goes all the way around the circle. So if it takes 12 seconds to lock a ship, the circle takes 12 seconds to fill up

please make sure this adds no extra server calls or data requests from the server

What will the new indicator icons look like on the overview?

I like the concept shown for the additional information shown on the brackets. The dev blog shows a targeting icon based on targeting range. This is mostly useless information for me. I live and fight in wormholes where most encounters occur at very close range. What I care about is the weapon range for my weapons and selected ammo. From a personal perspective, I would prefer to see the targeting icon when a target is inside my optimal + falloff instead of the targeting range of my ship.

What will the new indicator icons look like on the overview?

The hit icon opacity thing sounds very cool and is a very nice visual indicator. However my concern is that it'll effectively display individual shots rather than the rate of incoming damage from a target. What I would suggest is that you have a value for opacity that diminishes at a certain rate (Whether it's linear, exponential or whatever isn't exactly important) and on each hit the value is topped up a little bit depending on the damage of the hit (Still the ratio of damage to HP) so that you can still see each individual shot come in as the opacity suddenly increases. So now a missile volley (Massive value) and turret shots (loads of little values) are now visibly comparable as you now have in a way a display of average incoming damage rather than what the last shot was like which isn't very helpful when you're trying to decide whether a missile boat or a turret boat is dealing more damage.

Just wondering how this is going to work with disabled brackets, may MANY players with machines on the lower end of the performance spectrum disable brackets during fleet fights. Are we still going to have the list of active targets and will disabling brackets turn off the "in-range" bracket? (I would hope yes on that second one, and I'm on the fence on the first personally).

another thing is, how does that flashy thing affect large fleet fights ? I guess these will put some stress to some computers out there when a few hundret players start attacking you. We can switch off effects, but can we switch this one off ?.

A thought; does this replace the current text damage notifications or will we still see those in addition to this new stuff?

I don't know if I just want just the one or both types of notification tbh.

Just FYI, I've had to explain to new players which one is which, with the existing system. Shield/armor/hull is a bit more elaborate than "hit points." The stacking only becomes obvious once you learn that hierarchy. Wrapping the three around a circle is essentially putting them in a straight line, which is also obvious once you learn the way defenses work, because nothing affects hull without punching through armor first, and nothing affects armor without punching through shields first[1].

[1] Not necessarily all the way through, of course.

Maybe something similar to the 'hit icon sequence' pulsing animation but in green or blue? It could become more intense as you receive a larger rep amount per cycle.

Have you tested the new "healthcircles" with setups where there is a lot of movement?
F.e. with a alphafleet on the one side and shieldlogis on the other. Might not be so easy to see what is shields when all bars move at the same time up and down. Or a handful of ships beating on a x-large ASB sleipnir.
Also the new locked targets look bigger, like everything else in the UI got bigger. There are people who don-¦t play on high resolutions and are already running low on actual room to see something. Now try it with 10 locked targets and the new aggressionflags... Please don-¦t force us to get better hardware just fo rsuch little tweeks.
Another thing is "how visable is it if you are breaking something-¦s tank or not?" Atm we can use things like the text below the bars to measure the movement. Not possible with the circles. Please try it with stuff like a large DEDbooster tengu or carriers.
The locktimevalue no longer displaying is also a bad thing.
For the notifications: A lot of players already use colourcoded notifications where the different things are in different colours, so for example you just look for red if you want to know who is doing something, green for what he is doing and blue for whom he is doing it to. Maybe incorporate something like this.
Overall I have to say: Needs more work please. And don-¦t just go with it because you already put in so much work.

I like how the typical dev response so far has been 'I'm right you're wrong, suck it.' I'm getting that bad feeling that comes before things like before the inventory changes, and every other unpopular failure that I've seen added to the game.

I like how the typical dev response so far has been 'I'm right you're wrong, suck it.' I'm getting that bad feeling that comes before things like before the inventory changes, and every other unpopular failure that I've seen added to the game.

The really reallyOLD targeting UI versus the NEW targeting UI.

http://oi49.tinypic.com/b6t6aq.jpg

As one of the oldest still active players I can not help ask myself if any of the devs that worked at this 'new targeting UI" actually know how EVE looked like back in it's early days?

Don't listen to him, sure it could use some extra tweaking :D but this kind of change is exactly what we need... but what do you think about my suggestion to touch the brackets too? (thinner, with standing as colour instead, perhaps different shapes?)

http://i.imgur.com/Dk5Nu.jpg

kinda like this picture?

Here's a couple dream ideas ::

-- Draw a line between my ship and the enemy target (This already happens in Tactical Overview mode I believe), put "ticks" on the line that represent my various weapon ranges along that line. (So optimal will be green, falloff will be yellow, red will be out of range.

-- Show what EWAR affects are being applied to the target ship already (from friendlies or otherwise) - so I can see if he's being tracking disrupted so I know I can tracking disrupt other targets out there. I know this information is already sent to my client because the VISUAL effects from friendlies are projected to targets, so it's just a matter of showing me in a clear visual format that they're being applied.

Let me ask this, are you adding anything more to the tooltip in the future or what ideas do you have?

On the retribution art, it shows Criminal Flags and such on the targeting reticles, is that part of your plan as well? What other tid bits can we hope to see?

I think when people said the target icons are larger, and you dismissed it saying they're not that much larger that it shows the same kind of thing as with the module icon windows. We also complained those were too large, and you didn't think so, and all iteration on the feature has gone silent. Icons and window borders keep getting bigger with each new feature, without any way for the players to adjust it, because you guys know best.

WE NEED THE SECONDS!
We need to know how many seconds it takes to lock a target not to see a filling circle. What's wrong with you ppl? EVE is about information, numbers and tactic. Instead of making the UI more intuitive and add useful info to it, you guys are going in the opposite direction. Instead of redesigning/recoloring the weapon icons showing next to the targeting UI (cos most of them are really hard to see against a dark background), you did what? Removed critical information from gameplay and made the targeting UI counter-intuitive. Ofc, ppl will get used to it, just like we did with the new horrible inventory, but it is wrong. Stop wasting time repairing what is not broken.

http://oi45.tinypic.com/fa7ts8.jpg

Well, I'm not going to complain as this is something you're adding that wasn't there before, not something you're changing around, however I agree with Karl, that seeing the kind of hit would be much more useful. Maybe you need to stop nubing missions and try pvping as this is where that information will be truly critical, not in PVE. But, like I said, better than nothing.

Unless.... you're planning to remove damage notifications and rely solely on this new mechanism, then you better get ready for a rage storm.

Also, I don't really understand, can't you already see all the HP notifications on all locked targets???

P.S. Great work, I like that you're going back to the round target icons, and I think starting clockwise with shields at 12 is just friggen awesome :)

Thought I would throw this out there, might generate some ideas for the new damage indicator. The idea was to have a simple indicator that shows hit quality, damage and damage type.

http://i.imgur.com/RZq0p.png

also i noticed int the pics in the dev blog that the arrows spinning around the avatr are not in sync plese fix this for my ocd friends in space and als what are the four bars on the outside of the s/a/h bars if you mad these blink yellow and red for lock and argo that would be nice also im confsed as to what label is on the target circle is that the name of the ship or the ship type or the pilots name if you could put the pilots name then the ship type under the locked targets window in that order that would be nice so in pvp i could just say " skils in the raven is blaping me OMG KILL HIM NOW HEEEEEEEEEEELP ME HE HAZ POINTZ ON MEEEEE...nvm im dead"
the reson i say this is cause the avatar says avatar but the raven says skillz im asuming this is the raven pilots name???? plz clarifie dis for me plzthx

very nice change I also would like to see the brackets that are rotating around the main bracket to have a purpose like indicating the targets status for example

rotating brackets spinning fast is high transversal velocity or low when spinning slowly

rotating brackets have tight rotation around main bracket is good tracking a lose rotation is but tracking

rotating brackets have a different color or shape to indicate when in falloff off or optimal

i have slept a night about this and i have come to the following conclusion

giving hp bars on the brackets themselves might be to much clutter for my screen

how about connecting a locked target with its bracket via a line on the screen ? not sure if it is a good idea, but it might reduce clutter, which is a good thing

This looks good, but I have a word of caution CCP:

The blink animation on hit with variable opacity is really cool and all, but I feel like it should be at least partially based on damage you've received over a reasonable time period -- like 2-3 seconds -- rather than simply on-hit. If it is only on-hit, there is motivation to split up weapon groups to make every hit as unobtrusive and difficult to notice as possible, letting everyone else get the big hits and light themselves up as a target. This naturally increases server load, and anything that's a reason to increase server load can't be good.

While the circular brackets are nice to look at - don't they make a pretty heavy demand on CPU/GPU versus the square brackets? Client performance should be a higher goal than pretty.

The red damaged stripes.. why they are not progressing counter clockwise? I think it's more intuitive. All damage is counterclockwise. This new circle indicators are different.

Most of your players read from left to right, so if You insist on giving us those circles, please make it so shield is on the left side, armor on the right and hull on the bottom. This will also make it more in line with the current mod timer animation that starts in the bottom and moves around..

CCP Atlas alt spotted!!!!!!

CCP Prism X gets it.

Prism,

Not to heap on, but you have to understand that we are tired of this. Many, many people don't like the Unified Inventory, and we were told it was a work in progress and then BAM!!! we all got this piece of garbage anyhow.

If we don't speak up, chances are (at least we are worried) we'll have this forced upon us as well.

I have a suggestion about activated modules. Say I mouse over one of my activated module - after a while it will glow and the current target on the Target Tist also glows and maybe even in the Overview. If you mouse over a target in the Target List, the activated modules on it will glow accordingly.

This is going to be useful for mission salvagers and miners that often have multiple targets working with ungrouped modules.

I agree that it is the odd one out, but it makes the most sense. Using your example, as heat builds up it is "filling up". Shields, armor, and hull do not "fill up" as they take damage, they deplete. To put it another way. Your modules take heat damage and it is usually represented as X% of heat damage. This starts at 0% and increases until it hits 100%. Shields, armor, and hull start at 100% and deplete to 0%. It is a bit confusing to count up and count down rotate the same way just for the sake of "that is what everything else does but this odd ball". Increasing should be clockwise and decreasing should be counter clockwise.

Are you saying you're removing the activated module icons from the side of the locked targets section?

How am I going to know which modules I have applied to which target? This is actually a very important part of the current.

And doing the whole "hover over my modules" thing does NOT cut it for me. .

- Yes, the graphics are a bit wider now, but the old one had the module icons on the side so that should also count as the width of the targets.
- the height of the old ones is greater, but then I have to add a little bit to the bottom of the new ones because that's where the active modules appear.

Does this also mean that there will be no way in the Overview to see who has specific (suspect, criminal, etc) flags?

We really need a [sarcasm] tag for the forums. It would prevent so many misunderstandings.

A small request: the current target crosshair should stand out more compared to targets that are merely locked. .

I much, much prefer the Fanfest presentation UI to this proposal.

Also, with the in-space HP bars (not the target row ones), what happens if you have several targets within say 25k or so of each other, and zoom quite a way out? Do they overlap?

skills needs an avatar

The real question we should all be asking is why does skills have a Focused medium Pulse Laser I on his Raven?

skills is just clueless and does whatever... for example he loses avatars to noobs

There is actually another team working on that... and I think they are planning on showing that.

Yah this is unfortunately quite common with CCP.

I have repeatedly highlighted every recent UI change for how everything just increases in size. At one point I asked Punkturis straight out if she's blind as a bat, and I even said the very least they can do is to give players the option to customize, as that is never a bad option. She was at least honest in her reply, stating she disagrees, and that more options is bad.

But frankly, in this case, those circular icons looked to be smaller to me, not bigger? I could be wrong, as others pointed out, the pictures doesn't really show. Either case, I completely agree with you, CCP should stop making everything so damn big, and they should really re-consider their stance that customizeable is bad.

IDEA! Why not change the full circle hp bars into a 3/4 circle hp bar, with the bottom quarter empty. It could then mirror the capacitor HUD and have shields right, slowly decreasing up and around to the left as it transitions into armor then hull. It would match the current HUD in concept, still retain the cool circle, and nobody would be confused anymore.

I'd draw a picture to help, but making you all gouge out your eyes isn't going to improve this feature much.



We really need a [sarcasm] tag for the forums. It would prevent so many misunderstandings.

Just assume CCP Prism X == ~sarcasm~. It simplifies life a lot.

The Dev who starts the thread should just edit the first post with the ideas that have already been addressed, ideas that are being considered, updates to current line of thinking etc... so that people don't have to filter through 50+ pages of posts to make sure they are contributing something new to the thread. Perhaps these updates could even have links to where the idea was posted on whichever page?

This looks like we "want you to tell us what you think but we will do what we want anyway".

What is purpose of this blogs when you ignore all negative feedback and just look nice ones?

If you are asking people for sake of asking than dont bother ,it is boring and just giving chance to people that are forum fans to write here.

Through all this pages players noted numerous times that they dont like this ,or they just ask to have option to have old UI to choose when they log in.No you dont give **** you just ignore that.

CCP Fozzie is only start of your team and guy that is really reading feedback ,rest of team this is just sad.It was same with inventory ,now with crime watch (that is epic fail),and lets us not forget bot heaven you made with mining barges together with farmwill named FW (that you needed 6 freaking months to see it is broken what is really sad).

I am really sad that I have both my accounts payed for one year more.

Point is you are not asking for opinion you are just trying to be nice,but you will just continue being stubborn and f... all we will do what ever we want to do,cause we are awesom.

Dont bother to reply ,cause I learned something from you too. I dont care anymore !

I think you guys are doing a good job with taking in feedback, like I am sure you will take in my 1 decimal in countdowns under 10 sec (9.9 and down)

I'm sorry that you feel that way.

The main reason we don't want to offer both is that it's a pain to maintain.... every time you need to update or fix something, you need to make sure you are not messing up the other thing. Dealing with special cases eats up our time. Also, the code is old. Sometimes parts of it need to be restructured so it makes more sense, and that can even result in better performance for you. But it gets harder and harder to keep the new code and the old code compatible if you need to make those changes.

Of course I like being nice (I'll even put a smiley here to demonstrate that ), but we are actually asking for feedback and taking it in. That does not mean we are going to do everything people suggest, or completely change our feature, but we taking it in and evaluating it. We actually spent most of yesterday talking this over, looked at screenshots people posted and discussed many of the suggestions.

I don't see the need to keep responding to people who say the are confused by the health bars, because I've already stated that we acknowledge that people are confused about it and that we are working on it. And in some cases I don't know what to say, because I might not have the answer right now or can't comment on it... it doesn't mean we are not reading it (or should I maybe comment on every single post I read "Roger"?)

On a more personal note it just makes me sad when people act like this. Fozzie is indeed doing a great job, but so is a whole lot of other people I work with. We come here to talk to you guys but it's like your damned if you do and damned if you don't.... and the more people that act like that, the more likely is that we will just not bother and just go watch TV or something.

I will ask everyone to please keep your feedback and your interactions with each other civil. Remember that this is the Features and Ideas forum, not the wild untamed expanse of General Discussion or the brutal gladiatorial pit of CAOD. This is the section of the forums where intellectual equals meet in mutual admiration to calmly and rationally discuss potential changes to the game, muse casually about overnight interest rates, and sip tea with our pinky extended.

Feedback is always more useful when it includes details about the problems you foresee from a specific change.

• "I don't agree with change X because I believe it will have effect Y for reasons A, B and C" is excellent and very persuasive feedback and I thank the large numbers of you who have provided this kind of feedback so far.
• "DIE IN A FIRE" is an example of significantly less useful feedback. It doesn't tell us which changes you object to, or what the reasons for your position are. In fact it even makes it hard to tell whether you actually object to the content of the change or are just experiencing an unusually strong craving for S'mores.

No, she didn't. She replied to comments on THIS issue, I was talking about CCP in general. No offense to anyone, and karkur has been excellent in this thread, but your company has a poor track record when it comes to make-everything-in-the-UI-massive-and-wide!

..and I didn't plan to reply to this comment by you, but since you mis-read my post:
..karkur already posted a link to that video as well. So you didn't just mis-read my post, it seems you also didn't read through the thread - not even checking what your workmates posted. But it's ok, I think you're cute. <3

EVE 2.0?

It would be nice if guys that have blue standings and are also negative sec status don't just show up red to us.

Please seperate these 2 things along with the new targeting.

So these hit animations will also include people doing ewar, right? So if someone is warp scrambling me, I can see some sort of *obvious* warp scramble animation on the aggressor?

If it isn't GÇ£too muchGÇ¥ information with regard to PvP you might think about adding a numerical DPS meter for incoming damage (maybe instead of the flashing red circle). Just make an overlay over the ship pictures in the (old style) target icons. Outgoing DPS could be displayed near the bottom of the targeting bracket of the currently selected target.

Instead of using absolute sizes for shield, armor and structure bars in the circular targeting bracket you could use relative sizes (again, if that isn't GÇ£too muchGÇ¥ information). That way a ship with 1000 points in shield and 500 in armor and structure each would show a shield bar from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock, armor bar from 6 to 9 o'clock and structure from 9 to 12.

It would be nice to get information about the damage type of incoming damage. In case you think about the above mentioned DPS meter you might preset the value with the icon of the damage type dealt by that target (or in case of mixed damage types the type that represents the biggest portion of the damage).

It's sad to see CCP karkur leaving team Avatar - EVE station interiors and avatars are greatest graphic environment in modern games. Thanks for your work in team Avatar, CCP karkur! And best of luck with new team.

Would it (in your view) be giving too much info to colour the angular velocity / transversal/ ect in the overview based on the tracking speed of your turrets as outlined in this post post 679 page 34 so that you can tell at a glance which targets are going too fast for you to track?

1. Add a feature to the forums: View only dev posts in thread. Even a dedicated person like me gets tired of 30 or 50 pages of posts, most of them by ranting players (often double- or triple-posting). Most of us are not interested in other players' questions, we are interested in questions that have been answered: What we want to read is what the devs said, and the question they were responding to. If we could filter that out without scrolling through 50 pages to spot the blue badges, it would save us a lot of time and you some trouble!

this does sound very very VERY much like you're actually afraid of touching the old overview code and just want to use some of the codes output into a new system.

who in CCP actually has the expertise to remedy the overview code btw?

The persistant cross hairs when you are targeting something are a little annoying. While I see there use people keep saying there is a way to turn them off. I must be looking in the wrong spots.
Will some one direct me to where the option is? Thanks.

It would not be bad if it was the one that was targeted for action only but right now it is for every thing you have locked. Even if you are not in the combat overview.
Short cut would be better but the next post will tell me that is exactly what there is but it sure is hard to find

Short cut for "Special Bracket Display" tested it did not notice any change but it was only on some cans at the testing station. What does that option do?

The names for these hard to understand option needs to change so they are clear to understand.