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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.03.18 14:08:00 -
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Hello guys,
I was recently talking to a producer in who works in an out of the way area of Period Basis space who told me that the alliance in this area did not mind neutrals entering space, as long as they were non hostile and handed over 5% of any ores mined. What concerns me is that even though it isn't a very busy system, there does seem to be a good number of pod kills per hour. The guy I was speaking to seemed genuine, had a nice positive security rating and was very helpful in terms of mining advice and how to avoid gate campers in that region (thankyou!), but the character in charge of the alliance had a bounty on his head (only 1M isk) and had a security rating of -1.4.
Could this be a trap to lure in unsuspecting newcomers? I don't really think it is, but I would like to know a little more about this area of space before I make a 50 jump voyage. Have any of you been through this region and do you know what their attitude is towrds outsiders, bearing in mind I am a non-aggressiveminer/producer, not a PvPer?
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Belian
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Posted - 2005.03.18 14:18:00 -
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try and have a talk whit Lallante or Jeebs thy can set you up whit a deal so we dont shoot you if you come down to oure home
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Foyle
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Posted - 2005.03.18 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Foyle on 18/03/2005 14:20:25
Contact them in game, they will tell you what is what. If they say its ok, they wont shoot you when you arrive, they will hold up to their word.
Lallante is a dodgy dude, but I think they have his lead on lately
Edit: What belain said, BUT Lallante is still dodgy I say
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.03.18 14:25:00 -
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Thanks guys,
I eve mailed Lallante yesterday, was just a bit concerned over the amount of pod kills/lack of insurance and cloning services in the area. I guess if I can get through FOE controlled regions, Period Basis shouldn't be too bad. I hope to run into you soon.
Also, I don't mind dodgy people, it's just the ore thieves I hate, especially as you can't shoot 'em in Empire with COncord getting annoyed about it! 
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.03.18 14:32:00 -
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shinra are a pvp corp that basically wants to live off spinalless miners without having to look after them ;) "allow neutrals" translates to "are busy elsewhere and dont really care.. and only want their cut of the ore" so once u understand that u will realise that u are helping them, and if u wanna do the work for them they will be happy to let u.. (and NO that doesnt make them bad ppl.. they are gives u a services of relative safety to mine/NPC..)
it is a good model for everyone.. most pvp corps leave u alone as they get on well with shinra and pb is a long long walk :S .. and then u only have to deal with random pirates.. which well are part of life..
--thoth
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.03.18 14:37:00 -
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All I need is to be left alone, I'm more than happy to hand over Shinra's cut. The other guys in my little corp are PvPers, but their skills aren't high enough yet to succesfully engage in 0.0 activities, as we've only been playing a couple of weeks. I just want other new players not to fear the 0.0!
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Foyle
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Posted - 2005.03.18 14:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Jon Hawkes
Thanks guys,
I eve mailed Lallante yesterday, was just a bit concerned over the amount of pod kills/lack of insurance and cloning services in the area. I guess if I can get through FOE controlled regions, Period Basis shouldn't be too bad. I hope to run into you soon.
Also, I don't mind dodgy people, it's just the ore thieves I hate, especially as you can't shoot 'em in Empire with COncord getting annoyed about it!
FOE Territory is a war zone atm.
Best of luck, whatever you decide to do.
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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pHASE 11
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Posted - 2005.03.18 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: pHASE 11 on 18/03/2005 15:02:28
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 18/03/2005 14:56:40
Good luck in your travelling.
A couple of friendly hints:
Don't rely on security rating in your investigations. It reflects amount of pvp activity in empire space of said person but nothing more.
Always remember that ganging up with someone (shinra in this case) will sooner or later get you some enemies (in this case FA) but that's part of the game.
Continously evading pvp in 0.0 by claiming to be a "non-agressive miner/producer" won't work in the long run but that's how it should be.
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.03.18 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Foyle
FOE Territory is a war zone atm.
Best of luck, whatever you decide to do.
I noticed: Never a dull moment!
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fugazii
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Posted - 2005.03.18 16:07:00 -
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considering u can change ur sec lv so fast, putting trust in someone because of thier sec lv is very dumb.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.03.18 16:17:00 -
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Hi. I think I can help.
Shinra is a corp.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.03.18 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: fugazii
considering u can change ur sec lv so fast, putting trust in someone because of thier sec lv is very dumb.
I'd trust a -10 guy any day over a 5.0 one. The former is a poor honest low sec pie rat and the latter a greedy NPC farmer who is still angered because ebil piewats shot him back in October 2003 and wants to take his revenge on someone.
With one exception of course: Vaari, the Earl of Sosan, is an exquisite gentleman.
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.03.18 16:18:00 -
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and our tax rate is 2% not 5%
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.03.18 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
and our tax rate is 2% not 5%
Well as long as I can stay in Period Basis for a little while, dodging NPCs isn't a huge problem, and I'm not too worried about a 3% difference. I'd be happy to head down to the deep recesses of space; Empire is BOOORRING!
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Market Gopher
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Posted - 2005.03.18 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
shinra are a pvp corp that basically wants to live off spinalless miners without having to look after them ;) "allow neutrals" translates to "are busy elsewhere and dont really care.. and only want their cut of the ore" so once u understand that u will realise that u are helping them, and if u wanna do the work for them they will be happy to let u.. (and NO that doesnt make them bad ppl.. they are gives u a services of relative safety to mine/NPC..)
it is a good model for everyone.. most pvp corps leave u alone as they get on well with shinra and pb is a long long walk :S .. and then u only have to deal with random pirates.. which well are part of life..
Que the Xirtamist trolls and lets get this thread de-railed 
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Heid banger
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Posted - 2005.03.18 16:41:00 -
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shinra are a good bunch of guys, nuts, but a good bunch none the less.
/me waves at the other nutters 0/
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kwoodward
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Posted - 2005.03.18 17:05:00 -
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slightly unhinged is always good
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.03.18 17:25:00 -
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WTS: Info on SNRA, access to SNRA private forums.
Convo me.
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Jeebs
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Posted - 2005.03.18 18:29:00 -
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yeah you contact me, lallante or exaro ingame. thanks.
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.03.18 18:32:00 -
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Thanks Jeebs,
I'll send you an Eve mail when I (finally) get home from work!
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Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2005.03.18 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jeebs
yeah you contact me, lallante or exaro ingame. thanks.
Actually, contact me instead of exaro. exaro is doing too much ebil stuff. 
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.03.18 19:32:00 -
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NEBBA IS A LIAR AND A CHEAT.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.03.18 20:01:00 -
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Yeah, down with Nebba! He stole my capacitor energy. Bastard!
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Snapp
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Posted - 2005.03.18 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Hawkes
All I need is to be left alone, I'm more than happy to hand over Shinra's cut. The other guys in my little corp are PvPers, but their skills aren't high enough yet to succesfully engage in 0.0 activities, as we've only been playing a couple of weeks. I just want other new players not to fear the 0.0!
What absolutly none of the above people have told you is, PB is an ACTIVE WARZONE.
As well as ANYONE FOUND in the region found with NAP SNRA, or friends of SNRA ect are all VIABLE WAR TARGETS :)
that means me and you get shot by the big bad nasty ebil FA/FIX/IMP Monsters. other then that it's a swell place to do a little mining infact gimme a holler and Ill come show you around. oooh what else thier not telling you is, the NPC's in 00 are a tad different out here hun 
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.03.18 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Snapp
oooh what else thier not telling you is, the NPC's in 00 are a tad different out here hun
Oh yeah, I'm well aware of the consequences with other alliances of being aligned with Shinra, and my travels around the Vale of the Silent, Syndicate, Stain and Paragon Soul have landed me in a few interesting standoffs with the NPCs. But I'm a highly trained coward....
Thanks for the advice Snapp, I'll give you a shout if I ever make it down!
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Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2005.03.18 21:00:00 -
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Sinra are a bunch of pirates with a track record of lies and deception. They are playing the wolf in sheeps clothing becuase they think it will get them rich.
If you come to PB and mine to Shinra you will be hunted and killed for assisting these pirates.
Be patient and wait for PB to be liberated before you give 2% of your work to these ebil cutthroats.
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Lord Draco
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Posted - 2005.03.18 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Sinra are a bunch of pirates with a track record of lies and deception. They are playing the wolf in sheeps clothing becuase they think it will get them rich.
If you come to PB and mine to Shinra you will be hunted and killed for assisting these pirates.
Be patient and wait for PB to be liberated before you give 2% of your work to these ebil cutthroats.
Arent you mr. anti-fa? Now you are begging to join them. Speaks volumes about your principals doesn't it.
You're need more than a claoked Crow to take our station chuckles. You might actually have to stay logged on.
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Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2005.03.18 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Draco
Arent you mr. anti-fa? Now you are begging to join them. Speaks volumes about your principals doesn't it.
You're need more than a claoked Crow to take our station chuckles. You might actually have to stay logged on.
Typical Shinra, I state a few facts you come back with this BS.
Yes I have been anti FA in the past, but when push comes to shove there are worse things in Eve then Fountain Alliance. I have been anti ATUK and Shinra since long before I ever saw a Fountain pilot.
I remeber Shinra lies leading upto the first CFS / CA war. I remember Lallante's lies especially.
As for your second comment, why don't you check Eve-kills.com to see what an idiot you just made of yourself, I am not in a crow and i manage to stay logged on long enough to kill plenty of Shinra and their mining buddies.
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Lord Draco
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Posted - 2005.03.18 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Originally by: Lord Draco
Arent you mr. anti-fa? Now you are begging to join them. Speaks volumes about your principals doesn't it.
You're need more than a claoked Crow to take our station chuckles. You might actually have to stay logged on.
Typical Shinra, I state a few facts you come back with this BS.
Yes I have been anti FA in the past, but when push comes to shove there are worse things in Eve then Fountain Alliance. I have been anti ATUK and Shinra since long before I ever saw a Fountain pilot.
I remeber Shinra lies leading upto the first CFS / CA war. I remember Lallante's lies especially.
As for your second comment, why don't you check Eve-kills.com to see what an idiot you just made of yourself, I am not in a crow and i manage to stay logged on long enough to kill plenty of Shinra and their mining buddies.
Are you still mad about us killing your entire fleet that was coming to attack us in Fountain? If so, get over it.
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siim
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Posted - 2005.03.18 21:27:00 -
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keep it friendly :P
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Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2005.03.18 21:28:00 -
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A few things must be cleared up for those in EVE who do not know Shinra personally:
1.) Period Basis is not an active warzone. If it was, the conquerable station there would've fallen out of Shinra control. It has yet to.
2.) Shinra does not have a track record of lies and deception. Should you disagree, feel free to enlighten us specifically instead of citing heresay.
3.) Shinra has no plans of getting rich. A 2% refine tax is peanuts. It is the best tax available to anyone in 0.0. We merely would like to see Period Basis flourish from what it once was.
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Angelhunter
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Posted - 2005.03.18 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
A few things must be cleared up for those in EVE who do not know Shinra personally:
1.) Period Basis is not an active warzone. If it was, the conquerable station there would've fallen out of Shinra control. It has yet to.
According to your Biased Map Maker it of course isn't. However if you ask all the pilots we have been taking down daily in the area, they might beg to differ.
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Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2005.03.18 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Angelhunter
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
A few things must be cleared up for those in EVE who do not know Shinra personally:
1.) Period Basis is not an active warzone. If it was, the conquerable station there would've fallen out of Shinra control. It has yet to.
According to your Biased Map Maker it of course isn't. However if you ask all the pilots we have been taking down daily in the area, they might beg to differ.
1.) Period Basis is not an active warzone. If it was, the conquerable station there would've fallen out of Shinra control. It has yet to.
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Stan Bowman
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Posted - 2005.03.18 23:18:00 -
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Its been my experience that Shinra are noble and trustworthy, they dont need to lie and cheat, usually they just kill you, but if they say they will let you live, they will. Say hi to Chowdown and Lallente for me...
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Lord Draco
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Posted - 2005.03.18 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Angelhunter
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
A few things must be cleared up for those in EVE who do not know Shinra personally:
1.) Period Basis is not an active warzone. If it was, the conquerable station there would've fallen out of Shinra control. It has yet to.
According to your Biased Map Maker it of course isn't. However if you ask all the pilots we have been taking down daily in the area, they might beg to differ.
Don;t worry, you and your babies got te map taken down. Atleast you can win at something.
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Insane Angel
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Posted - 2005.03.18 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Insane Angel on 18/03/2005 23:57:26
Shinra and former CA went to CFS and informed them that FA is evil and that the near non-exsistent taxes they paid for refining rare ore to the FA was slavery and that CFS needed to be freed from it.
CA put random threads up about how ebil the FA is and that they make billions of isk off of the poor CFS and others who use the stations. CFS replies to these threads, with growing hatred to the FA.
CFS and FA begin some talks about how the tension could be eased. CFS didnt want anything less then every station with Delve, PB and querious.
We didnt believe CFS were capable of defending the space due to calling FA forces constantly to help with pirate forces probing the space or camping certain routes. These camps were small enough for any alliance to remove with a small determined group.
This showed that they lacked the strength to fight a real war. So we were willling to part with a station or two and then possibly more over time.
They didnt want to wait they didnt want to negotiate, they believed the whispers and lies on the boards instead of those of their friends and allies.
CA kept a promise. They brought a fleet in that attacked and killed everything, CFS included. These forces were mostly Shinra and some RUS with small amounts of other corps within the alliance.
Like most hostage/rape victims, the CFS had a bond with the agressors and felt sorry for them. CFS then declared that they no longer recognize the FA and will shoot any FA ships in the South.
Many corps beloging to the CFS and DSMA left to form the QDF/FIX alliance. They remained allied to the FA and hated the betrayal that CFS and DSMA had performed against FA, and as such were willing to engage and CFS forces in their space.
FA brought decent sized forces down and engaged in fleet actions against the CFS and DSMA for several days. CFS and DSMA were unable to sustain the casualties inflicted upon them. They reverted to guerilla warfare.
It did not work in their favor. CFS and DSMA were cut off unable to get ships or material to wage the war, many corps began to sign individual pacts of non-aggression with FA and promised not to return.
At no point did Shinra or those other CA corps involved back up CFS other then to talk smack on these boards and claim that CFS were slaves who needed independence, as stated they engaged and killed CFS just as much as they did any neutrals or FA forces.
The TPAR station will fall again, it has several times. So Shinra statements from above are false.
Period Basis, Delve, Querious and Fountain regions are considered warzones by the Fountain Alliance. We will engage anyone who we do not have friendly standings with.
Everyone not involved in this conflict should steer clear of the above named regions to avoid any loss of ships, mods or pods. FA is not responsible for the replacement of any neutral(s) loss.
I am back.
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benwallace
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Posted - 2005.03.18 23:57:00 -
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This thread needs to be locked. The thread starters question has been answered. This is just a flame fest now. Shinra are trustable
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Xenu
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Posted - 2005.03.19 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Sinra are a bunch of pirates with a track record of lies and deception. They are playing the wolf in sheeps clothing becuase they think it will get them rich.
If you come to PB and mine to Shinra you will be hunted and killed for assisting these pirates.
Be patient and wait for PB to be liberated before you give 2% of your work to these ebil cutthroats.
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Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2005.03.19 01:03:00 -
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Shinra and former CA went to CFS and informed them that FA is evil and that the near non-exsistent taxes they paid for refining rare ore to the FA was slavery and that CFS needed to be freed from it.
CA never put random threads up about how ebil the FA is and that they make billions of isk off of the poor CFS and others who use the stations.
CFS and FA began some talks about how the tension could be eased. CFS didnt want anything less then every station with Delve, PB and querious, which was fair.
FA didnt believe CFS were capable of defending the space due to calling FA forces constantly to help with pirate forces probing the space or camping certain routes. These camps were small enough for any alliance to remove with a small determined group.
FA felt that this showed that they lacked the strength to fight a real war. So FA were willling to part with a station or two and then possibly more over time.
CFS didnt want to wait they didnt want to negotiate, they believed the whispers and lies on the boards on behalf of FA instead of those of their friends and allies.
CA kept no promises. They never brought a fleet in that attacked and killed everything, CFS included. These forces were usually mostly Shinra and some RUS with small amounts of other corps within the alliance, but not in this broad of circumstance.
Like most hostage/rape victims, the FA had a bond with the aggressors and felt sorry for them. CFS then declared that they no longer recognize the FA and will shoot any FA ships in the South, rightfully so.
Many corps beloging to the CFS and DSMA left to form the QDF/FIX alliance. They remained allied to the FA and hated the betrayal that CFS and DSMA had performed against FA, which was caused by many reasons, all of which had nothing to do with CA.
FA brought decent sized forces down and engaged in fleet actions against the CFS and DSMA for several days. CFS and DSMA were unable to sustain the casualties inflicted upon them. They reverted to guerilla warfare, much like FA's tactics in Delve & PB at the present time.
It did not work in their favor. CFS and DSMA were cut off unable to get ships or material to wage the war, many corps began to sign individual pacts of non-aggression with FA and promised not to return.
At no point did Shinra or those other CA corps involved back up CFS, nor should they have, other then to talk smack on these boards and claim that CFS were slaves who needed independence, as stated they engaged and killed CFS just as much as they did any neutrals or FA forces.
The TPAR station will fall again, it has several times. This isn't justification for saying that the facts are false--who owns the station now?
Period Basis, Delve, Querious and Fountain regions are considered warzones by the Fountain Alliance. Shinra will engage anyone who we do not have friendly standings with.
Everyone not involved in this conflict should feel free to come kill FA in the above named regions, mostly Fountain though. Their efforts have gone lax in PB, Delve, and Querious (a region that does not belong to them). FA is responsible for the replacement of any neutral(s) loss.
I don't live in Minnesota.
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Mister Poopypants
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Posted - 2005.03.19 01:09:00 -
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Quote:
Que the Xirtamist trolls and lets get this thread de-railed
I'd like to hear from the Zlobadobs, myself...
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.03.19 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Hawkes on 19/03/2005 01:17:14
Originally by: Insane Angel
Period Basis, Delve, Querious and Fountain regions are considered warzones by the Fountain Alliance. We will engage anyone who we do not have friendly standings with.
Everyone not involved in this conflict should steer clear of the above named regions to avoid any loss of ships, mods or pods. FA is not responsible for the replacement of any neutral(s) loss.
Well, I may be a relative newbie, but Shinra have been more than welcoming thus far, especially compared with other alliances. This talk however smacks of terrorism and piracy. Until another alliance member will prove me mistaken, I know who I'd rather put my trust in...
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Vegas
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Posted - 2005.03.19 03:51:00 -
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Edited by: Vegas on 19/03/2005 03:53:53
Edited by: Vegas on 19/03/2005 03:52:59
Edited by: Vegas on 19/03/2005 03:52:07
Originally by: Lord Draco
Arent you mr. anti-fa? Now you are begging to join them. Speaks volumes about your principals doesn't it.
ROFL
Principles coming outta the mouth of a Shinra man!!
If corps like Shinra didnt want to jump into bed with the likes of ATUK, EVOL and Stain. Curse would still be here now. So how can you question others principles.
/me waits for "Curse fell from within" rants
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Hobbsalong
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Posted - 2005.03.19 04:02:00 -
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Curse died? wtf why was I not informed?
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Vince Draken
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Posted - 2005.03.19 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vegas
Edited by: Vegas on 19/03/2005 03:53:53
Edited by: Vegas on 19/03/2005 03:52:59
Edited by: Vegas on 19/03/2005 03:52:07
Originally by: Lord Draco
Arent you mr. anti-fa? Now you are begging to join them. Speaks volumes about your principals doesn't it.
ROFL
Principles coming outta the mouth of a Shinra man!!
If corps like Shinra didnt want to jump into bed with the likes of ATUK, EVOL and Stain. Curse would still be here now. So how can you question others principles.
/me waits for "Curse fell from within" rants
LOL
See you're a "**Proud Ex member of Fountain Alliance**"
Thanks for your history lesson btw. I'm glad you knew all that wenbt on.
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Joklaird
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Posted - 2005.03.19 04:54:00 -
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Dear Jon Hawkes,
here is the map http://ansalon.cz/eve/map/latest.jpg
Reguardless of your opinion of the way large 0.0 alliances operate (claiming territory etc), or your opinion of politics and how PvP differs from piracy, or your definition of what is required for someone to hold the strongest "claim" on an area and thus say it is "theirs",
there are some things you (and others) should know:
If you would go to www.eve-kills.com
you will note that corps such as practically all the responders in this thread (FA and neutrals aside) are PvP/pirate corps and are HOSTILE to FA.
Try some of their websites as well, see their kills and who they fight.
http://www.killboard.net/ <-BoB
Most of these posters are ex-curse alliance members (long time enemies of FA)
BoB and Xetic/Stain PvP factions mainly these days.
These are some of the most infamous pirates in the world of EVE.
If you took the time to read around on forums or talk to various sources, you will find that they are generally, not only pirates, but mental warfare users.
They spit propaganda out on forums, and in game, in order to make themselves look better.
When in fact they are most often the aggressors.
Certainly in the latest warfare surrounding the regions of Fountain, Delve, Period Basis, and Querious.
Let me give you (and anyone else who doesn't know) a little history lesson:
Curse Alliance breaks up.
X-CA players and corps sweep across 0.0 space.(did you notice the rise in price for zyd/mega?).
What I personally surmize is that with the breakup of Curse Alliance, a great many PvP pilots are looking for targets, and they have settled their sights on their old enemies once again but have just moved, re-named, and re-organized. With a strong propaganda and mental warfare division, as well as mostly PvP pilots, they have spread chaos and destruction throughout.
Stain alliance decides it wants Querious/Fix.
Xetic and X-CA people decide they want Period Basis and anything else they can lay hands on.
X-CA people take over the upper half of the 0.0 space, and some move in to the space above Fountain.
There is a period of time where the majority of the powerful 0.0 groups are hostile with Fountain & Querious (FA & Fix).
Note: FA & Fix do NOT advocate piracy. Stain and Xetic did not used to, and were anti-pirate allies in the past, but when the major objective of keeping CA on the defensive was accomplished with it's fall, Stain and Xetic have basically backstabbed their former allies.
Period Basis (former province of FA) was invaded, Delve was invaded, Fountain was invaded.
This was done by large groups of guerrilla PvP/pirates. Tickers are mostly BoB (see their website for the various corps) SNRA, but others have been seen tagging along.
FA stops most fighting with the new Alliances in the upper half of the universe, and even begins working with Imperium, who were pirate/PvPers but have a common enemy in FA's enemies.
BoB/ATUK claim ownership of some areas, and may hold some stations, but a conquerable station takes approximately 40 battleships about an hour to take.
This is not a terribly difficult task, and the stations have changed hands many times.
The largest total number of Shinra/BoB together usually does not top 20-25, but often is up to 50 in one area.
There are MANY corperations and alliances who have lived in the regions of Fountain, Delve, Querious and Period Basis for far longer.
There are people fighting for the territory on a daily basis.
To conclude; things are not always as they appear, and you should especially not believe everything you read on large public forums.
Good luck to you, and I hope this has been informative to you and anyone else with questions about what is REALLY going on.
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Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2005.03.19 05:16:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Joklaird
Dear Jon Hawkes,
here is the map http://ansalon.cz/eve/map/latest.jpg
Reguardless of your opinion of the way large 0.0 alliances operate (claiming territory etc), or your opinion of politics and how PvP differs from piracy, or your definition of what is required for someone to hold the strongest "claim" on an area and thus say it is "theirs",
there are some things you (and others) should know:
If you would go to www.eve-kills.com
you will note that corps such as practically all the responders in this thread (FA and neutrals aside) are PvP/pirate corps and are HOSTILE to FA.
Try some of their websites as well, see their kills and who they fight.
http://www.killboard.net/ <-BoB
Most of these posters are ex-curse alliance members (long time enemies of FA)
BoB and Xetic/Stain PvP factions mainly these days.
These are some of the most infamous pirates in the world of EVE.
If you took the time to read around on forums or talk to various sources, you will find that they are generally, not only pirates, but mental warfare users.
They spit propaganda out on forums, and in game, in order to make themselves look better.
When in fact they are most often the aggressors.
Certainly in the latest warfare surrounding the regions of Fountain, Delve, Period Basis, and Querious.
Let me give you (and anyone else who doesn't know) a little history lesson:
Curse Alliance breaks up.
X-CA players and corps sweep across 0.0 space.(did you notice the rise in price for zyd/mega?).
What I personally surmize is that with the breakup of Curse Alliance, a great many PvP pilots are looking for targets, and they have settled their sights on their old enemies once again but have just moved, re-named, and re-organized. With a strong propaganda and mental warfare division, as well as mostly PvP pilots, they have spread chaos and destruction throughout.
Stain alliance decides it wants Querious/Fix.
Xetic and X-CA people decide they want Period Basis and anything else they can lay hands on.
X-CA people take over the upper half of the 0.0 space, and some move in to the space above Fountain.
There is a period of time where the majority of the powerful 0.0 groups are hostile with Fountain & Querious (FA & Fix).
Note: FA & Fix do NOT advocate piracy. Stain and Xetic did not used to, and were anti-pirate allies in the past, but when the major objective of keeping CA on the defensive was accomplished with it's fall, Stain and Xetic have basically backstabbed their former allies.
Period Basis (former province of FA) was invaded, Delve was invaded, Fountain was invaded.
This was done by large groups of guerrilla PvP/pirates. Tickers are mostly BoB (see their website for the various corps) SNRA, but others have been seen tagging along.
FA stops most fighting with the new Alliances in the upper half of the universe, and even begins working with Imperium, who were pirate/PvPers but have a common enemy in FA's enemies.
BoB/ATUK claim ownership of some areas, and may hold some stations, but a conquerable station takes approximately 40 battleships about an hour to take.
This is not a terribly difficult task, and the stations have changed hands many times.
The largest total number of Shinra/BoB together usually does not top 20-25, but often is up to 50 in one area.
There are MANY corperations and alliances who have lived in the regions of Fountain, Delve, Querious and Period Basis for far longer.
There are people fighting for the territory on a daily basis.
To conclude; things are not always as they appear, and you should especially not believe everything you read on large public forums.
Good luck to you, and I hope this has been informative to you and anyone else with questions about what is REALLY going on.
You do not deserve a reply, but here it is care of a nice guy:
That map shows Delve as FA territory. Sorry, FA owns no stations in Delve or Period Basis and has made no attempt to take them.
FA knows when they start moving down there to take the stations back their homeland will essentially go under.
It's funny how TornSoul was totally against Imperium joining up with FA. VOTF, one of the biggest pirate corps of them all, holding hands with FA---aka TornSoul's worst nightmare.
Haven't seen TornSoul lately, have you?
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Redeol
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Posted - 2005.03.19 05:57:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Redeol on 19/03/2005 06:03:18
FA = Fall Allready
the latest map speaks the truth, not long do we have to wait for the FA pirate scum to be crushed by the honourble and mighty warriors, whilest IMP cleaverly backstabs then. toghether with the fat Xetic carebears we will put them to slavery in the most stinking parts of peroid bases where they will mine mine mine b!tch 24/7 we will lock them up throwing away the key only letting them out one by one so they can refine there stupid ore vs a 110% tax rate ! 
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Zothike
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Posted - 2005.03.19 09:02:00 -
[48]
Hello
To Shinra corpo :
If you have a web site would be interested to know the url and (if not already done) do a little page that show how Period Basis is open and what are the pre requisite to go there and what are the rules
Regards
Zothike
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Market Gopher
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Posted - 2005.03.19 09:16:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Originally by: Lord Draco
Arent you mr. anti-fa? Now you are begging to join them. Speaks volumes about your principals doesn't it.
You're need more than a claoked Crow to take our station chuckles. You might actually have to stay logged on.
Typical Shinra, I state a few facts you come back with this BS.
Yes I have been anti FA in the past, but when push comes to shove there are worse things in Eve then Fountain Alliance. I have been anti ATUK and Shinra since long before I ever saw a Fountain pilot.
I remeber Shinra lies leading upto the first CFS / CA war. I remember Lallante's lies especially.
As for your second comment, why don't you check Eve-kills.com to see what an idiot you just made of yourself, I am not in a crow and i manage to stay logged on long enough to kill plenty of Shinra and their mining buddies.
FACTS? I think you need to get off TS with Xirtam then, if you want to find the facts. I believe that it was Red Corsairs and VOTF (as in Xirt) that started the CFS war because of boredom.
Aren't you in bed with VOTF now? Isn't that a *****, having to rely on a liar now, after you abandoned your loud principals and sold yourself to FA. I bet you have a daily morning mess with priest Xirtam, telling you all about THE FACTS.
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Goa'en
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Posted - 2005.03.19 10:23:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Goa''en on 19/03/2005 10:25:20
Originally by: Joklaird
BoB/ATUK claim ownership of some areas, and may hold some stations, but a conquerable station takes approximately 40 battleships about an hour to take.
i would realy like to see this happen cuz it been a long time sins you last took a station
and just one more ting we where ASK by CFS not to come help them fight FA cuz thy wanted to do it on there own
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Goa'en
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Posted - 2005.03.19 10:24:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Goa''en on 19/03/2005 10:24:48
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sapage1
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Posted - 2005.03.19 11:00:00 -
[52]
Jon what you have to understand is 0.0 is a free for all most of the time. Just because 1 corp/alliance says you are fine to be in there space does not stop other corp/alliances from shooting at you. Just because some claims a certain region does not make it 100% safe for them or there protected!
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.03.19 11:34:00 -
[53]
Originally by: sapage1
Jon what you have to understand is 0.0 is a free for all most of the time. Just because 1 corp/alliance says you are fine to be in there space does not stop other corp/alliances from shooting at you. Just because some claims a certain region does not make it 100% safe for them or there protected!
Yeah, I know, thanks.
I just want a chance to get into 0.0 for a little while, as I find Empire to be as dull as hell at the moment. I'm just glad that there's one alliance that is not going to put a KOS status on me without giving me a chance. I'm quite aware that other alliances will not be as accomodating, but as long as they keep it "in character" and not some petty personal vendetta, it makes the game all the more interesting.
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Demian Sky
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Posted - 2005.03.19 15:05:00 -
[54]
Hey, I've lived in Period Basis for about a year and a half. Being as objective as possible, I must say that Shinra is a much better caretaker of Period Basis than Fountain ever was, and are, thus far, a stand-up and downright nice group of guys.
The great part about Shinra is that they are reliable. Unlike Fountain, you can expect not to be shot at on a few random occassions, or be declared KOS AFTER they destroy half the pilots in your corp.
Jon, you can trust Shinra. They are not here to get rich off of a 2 percent tax. As a matter of fact, Fountain always claimed that they themselves weren't getting rich off of their FIVE percent tax, and at the time there was 10 times more traffic in Period Basis.
At any rate, I'd worry more about Fountain than Shinra--- they are the ones that try to boost their kill points by destroying defenseless miners and haulers.
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Ranya
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Posted - 2005.03.19 15:10:00 -
[55]
On a sidenote, can anyone tell me the url of the public shinra kill list, if any?
Get yourself an intelligence implant. |
HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2005.03.19 15:39:00 -
[56]
<3 Nebba
Former Member of Omega Corp |
Pegas
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Posted - 2005.03.19 15:39:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Pegas on 19/03/2005 15:42:41
Originally by: Ranya
On a sidenote, can anyone tell me the url of the public shinra kill list, if any?
Yes mr alt here u go:
www.sh1nra.com
The site is not ready yet...still needs some changes and stuff...will be ready soon....
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.03.19 16:30:00 -
[58]
If you really cant wait there is a sneak peak at www.shinra.com :p
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.03.19 18:08:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Hast on 19/03/2005 18:10:32
meh, forum ate my post, please delete |
Zothike
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Posted - 2005.03.19 19:48:00 -
[60]
www.shinra.com 
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midnight shadow
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Posted - 2005.03.19 21:36:00 -
[61]
you guys are all big babies that constantly find any reason at all to fight, why cant you keep it in game and out of forums?? Leave it to the guy that asked the question whether or not he wants to go to PB and take his chances. Im starting to wonder if im playing EVE with a bunch of kids or grown men.
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.03.19 21:54:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Saladin on 19/03/2005 21:55:34
You know as an ex-Shinra I am going to say this.
Anyone who claims to approach EvE politics objectively should ditch the whole piracy/anti-piracy argument. "Pirates" in EvE today is nothing but a term people throw around to describe those they are at war with.
Every major alliance in the game worked with self proclaimed pirates, and then turned around and claimed to be anti pirate. SA let m0o mine in Stain, FA harbored Evolution, CA later harbored m0o and Sinistser, TTI commisioned Space Invaders to do their dirty work, and PA worked closely with numerous old-school pirate corporations that later merged into Forsaken Empire.
My advice to everyone is to stop acting like their hands are clean. By their definition of piracy, all alliances that restrict access or extort money for 'passes' are pirates.
I get eve-mails from people all the time calling me a pirate and asking why i killed them. In 0.0 space there is absolutely no penalty for killing someone. People ask why kill, I ask why not?
The bottom line is not whether or not Shinra and its friends are pirates, but if they will turn on you and kill you after inviting you to their area. I can say they probably will not - and that is what matters, if a corporation keeps its word or not.
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Joklaird
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Posted - 2005.03.20 00:35:00 -
[63]
I was not aware of FA doing any "random turning on" people especially in PB, but i don't claim to know everything...
My recommendation for you Jon Hawkes is to try somewhere like FoE, PA or G.
Since you're likely to get ganked in PB, and Delve area.
Although I honestly don't know much about what goes on up in FoE, PA, or G, so you may be just as likely there.
I just notice those areas APPEAR to be less of warzones, and therefore you may have a better change of appealing to the powers in that region for access to 0.0
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Chucky
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Posted - 2005.03.20 01:14:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Hast
and our tax rate is 2% not 5%
Actually its 100%, they have there buddies gank you on the way out
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.03.20 01:22:00 -
[65]
Ah Chucky good old propaganda. But very low act it is. If you are blue to us, meaning you can dock, we can reinsure you will not fired upon.
If you have no standing we cannot make that guarantee. Thats why its important to contact Shinra before making your way down.
I'd like everyone who we have good standings to, to post in this forum that they have shot down by us on purpose. I bet noone will post but thats ok.
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Vince Draken
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Posted - 2005.03.20 01:46:00 -
[66]
Hush chucky, you abandoned ship when we took Delve. Must have needed safer mining, ehh?
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Haldane IV
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Posted - 2005.03.20 10:13:00 -
[67]
I have seen a lot of references here about honour, piracy, past betrayals and trustworthiness. Well, as a fairly newly arrived Period-Basis resident this is how I have found things to be. Like Jon Hawkes I took things as far as I could in Empire, started to get bored and went to 0.0 space to try to find something new to do. I had been to Period Basis before so went back there, and have found 4 groups there. Firstly there is Shinra, who hold the station and, because they can, charge me rent (aka refining tax) for using it, respect the NAP I have with them, and I mind my own business and they mind theirs. Secondly there are the "neutrals", small bands of long-standing and some newer residents who also mind their own business but sometimes gang up to police aggressors. Then there are a few pirates, who (because that is what pirates do) shoot at anyone they think they can take out. Lastly, there are FA members and their friends/allies. These guys seem to appear periodically in raiding parties. They also tend to shoot at anyone (except each other) they can take out, as I understand it because they have an old grudge against the people who took Period Basis away from them and so regard anyone still there as "fair-game". Presumably they regard this as being a "guerilla" action against Shinra, and are having some fun playing out that role. Everyone else tries to shoot them.
It is a simple as that. Personally speaking as one of the "neutrals", there is little practical difference for me (in terms of how I am affected) between what the pirates do and what FA/their friends do, although I do note that whereas the pirates just get on with what they do, people endlessly try to rationalise, justify and analyse from a political perspective, what FA/their friends do (and hugely entertaining it is too !).
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.03.20 10:40:00 -
[68]
I heard they eat babies and like marmite.
They're proper evil like.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
DeMundus
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Posted - 2005.03.20 11:01:00 -
[69]
I tried Marmite...  How can any1 eat that?
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2005.03.20 13:00:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
I heard they eat babies and like marmite.
They're proper evil like.
Marmite?!! The sick, twisted monters!!!
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Ivilb Itch
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Posted - 2005.03.20 14:20:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
A few things must be cleared up for those in EVE who do not know Shinra personally:
1.) Period Basis is not an active warzone. If it was, the conquerable station there would've fallen out of Shinra control. It has yet to.
2.) Shinra does not have a track record of lies and deception. Should you disagree, feel free to enlighten us specifically instead of citing heresay.
3.) Shinra has no plans of getting rich. A 2% refine tax is peanuts. It is the best tax available to anyone in 0.0. We merely would like to see Period Basis flourish from what it once was.
The fact that they feel that they have to post the above should be warning enough....
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.03.20 14:34:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Ivilb Itch
The fact that they feel that they have to post the above should be warning enough....
Hi! I was already wondering what kept you so long. So i'd just like to take a moment to thank you for your always welcome, usefull, helpfull, wellthought replies and opinions.
/Elve
New Video out! Watch me!
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2005.03.20 15:07:00 -
[73]
hmmm.
smacks of hypocrisy this.
Wasnt so long ago shinra were one of the main protangonists (hi avancade) in the whole "FA are exploiting CFS for a 2% cut off ore and making billions" forum wars, which resulted in the disbanding of CFS / DSMA and other local groups that operated with relative ease around the delve/pb/querious area.
And now were told a 2% tax at the same refinerys is peanuts.
/me doesnt trust shinra
I must say tho that no where have i heard that they do shoot you if you come down there, i mean they wanna make money if they shot you then, you wouldnt come back. So if your looking for 0.0 space then yeh PB seems like a good place aslong as you arrange beforehand and providing you can get through a2 / querious / delve alive.
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Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2005.03.20 17:18:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Wuubaa
hmmm.
smacks of hypocrisy this.
/me doesnt trust shinra
Celestial Apocalypse = zero credibility
Find your own thread to troll.
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2005.03.20 17:36:00 -
[75]
I was merely discussing what others had said about the FA/CFS/forum war thing which funnily enough i was involved in at the time, the only trolling going on is your misquoting of what i said in an attempt to have a dig at a corp you dont like much.
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2005.03.20 17:52:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Wuubaa
I was merely discussing what others had said about the FA/CFS/forum war thing which funnily enough i was involved in at the time, the only trolling going on is your misquoting of what i said in an attempt to have a dig at a corp you dont like much.
Hi Wuubaa!
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2005.03.20 17:55:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Wuubaa on 20/03/2005 17:55:59
haha hiya i still owe you a ship loss
/cries over his bestower full of kernite
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theblaze
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Posted - 2005.03.20 19:27:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Zothike
www.shinra.com
that is a scary site
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Market Gopher
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Posted - 2005.03.20 19:47:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Market Gopher on 20/03/2005 19:48:38
Originally by: Wuubaa
hmmm.
smacks of hypocrisy this.
Wasnt so long ago shinra were one of the main protangonists (hi avancade) in the whole "FA are exploiting CFS for a 2% cut off ore and making billions" forum wars, which resulted in the disbanding of CFS / DSMA and other local groups that operated with relative ease around the delve/pb/querious area.
And now were told a 2% tax at the same refinerys is peanuts.
/me doesnt trust shinra
I must say tho that no where have i heard that they do shoot you if you come down there, i mean they wanna make money if they shot you then, you wouldnt come back. So if your looking for 0.0 space then yeh PB seems like a good place aslong as you arrange beforehand and providing you can get through a2 / querious / delve alive.
FA charged 5% tax, PLUS millions in office fees and passports to go through their region. And they claimed it was FREE space, but they accidently happened to own the stations, even though they were never around unless some BIG alt in a kestrel had to retake the station. We claim it as OUR space, but let others mine there for the tax we have set. See the difference? Ofcause you dont, why do I even bother.
EDIT: And speaking about hipocrisy. Isn't baiting SE into a war, when you are supposed to be ANTI-pirates, hipocrisy?
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Chows Flamealt
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Posted - 2005.03.20 20:15:00 -
[80]
Shinra are a spineless corporation, they have no space and no member base.
I tell you if I was not hiding behind my alt I would come and give them what for.
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Rattleshirt
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Posted - 2005.03.21 03:10:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Market Gopher
Edited by: Market Gopher on 20/03/2005 19:48:38
Originally by: Wuubaa
hmmm.
smacks of hypocrisy this.
Wasnt so long ago shinra were one of the main protangonists (hi avancade) in the whole "FA are exploiting CFS for a 2% cut off ore and making billions" forum wars, which resulted in the disbanding of CFS / DSMA and other local groups that operated with relative ease around the delve/pb/querious area.
And now were told a 2% tax at the same refinerys is peanuts.
/me doesnt trust shinra
I must say tho that no where have i heard that they do shoot you if you come down there, i mean they wanna make money if they shot you then, you wouldnt come back. So if your looking for 0.0 space then yeh PB seems like a good place aslong as you arrange beforehand and providing you can get through a2 / querious / delve alive.
FA charged 5% tax, PLUS millions in office fees and passports to go through their region. And they claimed it was FREE space, but they accidently happened to own the stations, even though they were never around unless some BIG alt in a kestrel had to retake the station. We claim it as OUR space, but let others mine there for the tax we have set. See the difference? Ofcause you dont, why do I even bother.
EDIT: And speaking about hipocrisy. Isn't baiting SE into a war, when you are supposed to be ANTI-pirates, hipocrisy?
Passports are a way to keep things orderly, you act like you've never heard of the concept before? How old are you? 5? Do you think everyone who reads your drivel is dumb? I'm not even going to go into what passports do that is essential. Those of you with half a brain should be able to figure it out.
Baiting into a war? HAHAHAhahahahahahahahahaha.
As if Stain and Xetic haven't been baiting FA the whole time? Where did ATUK come from? Who just happen to be allied with BoB? Stain, who just happened to try and take Querious from Fix (FA friendly)?
And you say FA is baiting???
Reguardless of my opinion that FA overextended itself trying to hold Fountain, Delve & PB, and should just let PB go + attempt peace, I still can't imagine what you expect them to do with Shinra/BoB/ATUK warring on them and harassing them in their home region(s).
What would you do if someone came to your house and starting ganking you?
Would you not take the fight to the person(s)' house who is ganking you? You hit their industrial base to slow their attack down.
This is simple strategy here.
Let's not confuse the issue here.
This sort of thing is what x-CA, BoB and their buddies do: they farm alliances as though they were sheep.
It's all fun and games to them; they get to blow up anyone they see, and keep the loot (making a decent living off it in some cases).
I could almost respect them for it, if they weren't such asshats about it; spouting propaganda, and smacktalk.
I know for a fact all that about FA making immense amounts of money off stations is a bunch of nonsense. And not only that; what they did take from people for using stations they hold is bloody peanuts compared to the potential profits to be gained in 0.0
So you want a lower rate? Bloody well negotiate for one; its a game of commerce, trade something for it.
/sarcasm
Thanks for stopping by, please try again propaganda trolls. |
Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2005.03.21 07:04:00 -
[82]
I just found out what pot kettle black means.
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Vince Draken
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Posted - 2005.03.21 07:09:00 -
[83]
One simple fact about FA is the refuse to fight at this stage. Just look what happened by NOL Saturday. Its just sad. I thought they were so rich.
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Angelhunter
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Posted - 2005.03.21 07:32:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Angelhunter on 21/03/2005 07:32:34
Originally by: Vince Draken
One simple fact about FA is the refuse to fight at this stage. Just look what happened by NOL Saturday. Its just sad. I thought they were so rich.
Before you go any further with that, ask Lallante about the convo he had with Baun today. Might clear up some things about who is refusing to fight.
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Vince Draken
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Posted - 2005.03.21 07:37:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Angelhunter
Edited by: Angelhunter on 21/03/2005 07:32:34
Originally by: Vince Draken
One simple fact about FA is the refuse to fight at this stage. Just look what happened by NOL Saturday. Its just sad. I thought they were so rich.
Before you go any further with that, ask Lallante about the convo he had with Baun today. Might clear up some things about who is refusing to fight.
PLEASE
I've been in Fountain for 2+ months. I know what you can and can't do. You can stop pretending, ok?
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Pa1nbringr
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Posted - 2005.03.21 07:42:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Vince Draken
Originally by: Angelhunter
Edited by: Angelhunter on 21/03/2005 07:32:34
Originally by: Vince Draken
One simple fact about FA is the refuse to fight at this stage. Just look what happened by NOL Saturday. Its just sad. I thought they were so rich.
Before you go any further with that, ask Lallante about the convo he had with Baun today. Might clear up some things about who is refusing to fight.
PLEASE
I've been in Fountain for 2+ months. I know what you can and can't do. You can stop pretending, ok?
i know xirts been trying to fight lallante for a while and lallante wont
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Fedaykin Naib > eh this is boring, think im going to go choke one out
Pa1nbringr > sick
Fedaykin Naib > lol
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Vince Draken
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Posted - 2005.03.21 07:59:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Pa1nbringr
Originally by: Vince Draken
Originally by: Angelhunter
Edited by: Angelhunter on 21/03/2005 07:32:34
Originally by: Vince Draken
One simple fact about FA is the refuse to fight at this stage. Just look what happened by NOL Saturday. Its just sad. I thought they were so rich.
Before you go any further with that, ask Lallante about the convo he had with Baun today. Might clear up some things about who is refusing to fight.
PLEASE
I've been in Fountain for 2+ months. I know what you can and can't do. You can stop pretending, ok?
i know xirts been trying to fight lallante for a while and lallante wont
Yeah, I also know you got booted from the alliance.
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Market Gopher
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Posted - 2005.03.21 08:56:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Market Gopher on 21/03/2005 09:00:57
Originally by: Rattleshirt
Originally by: Market Gopher
Edited by: Market Gopher on 20/03/2005 19:48:38
Originally by: Wuubaa
Wasnt so long ago shinra were one of the main protangonists (hi avancade) in the whole "FA are exploiting CFS for a 2% cut off ore and making billions" forum wars, which resulted in the disbanding of CFS / DSMA and other local groups that operated with relative ease around the delve/pb/querious area.
And now were told a 2% tax at the same refinerys is peanuts.
FA charged 5% tax, PLUS millions in office fees and passports to go through their region. And they claimed it was FREE space, but they accidently happened to own the stations, even though they were never around unless some BIG alt in a kestrel had to retake the station. We claim it as OUR space, but let others mine there for the tax we have set. See the difference? Ofcause you dont, why do I even bother.
EDIT: And speaking about hipocrisy. Isn't baiting SE into a war, when you are supposed to be ANTI-pirates, hipocrisy?
Passports are a way to keep things orderly, you act like you've never heard of the concept before? How old are you? 5? Do you think everyone who reads your drivel is dumb? I'm not even going to go into what passports do that is essential. Those of you with half a brain should be able to figure it out.
You just agreed with me. Thanks.
Originally by: Rattleshirt
Baiting into a war? HAHAHAhahahahahahahahahaha.
As if Stain and Xetic haven't been baiting FA the whole time? Where did ATUK come from? Who just happen to be allied with BoB? Stain, who just happened to try and take Querious from Fix (FA friendly)?
And you say FA is baiting???
Either you are 5 years old or you just want to misread me. I never said anything about FA baiting anyone into war. I was talking to the CELES guy, you know, that is what a quote means, you respond to what the other guy said.
Originally by: Rattleshirt
Reguardless of my opinion that FA overextended itself trying to hold Fountain, Delve & PB, and should just let PB go + attempt peace, I still can't imagine what you expect them to do with Shinra/BoB/ATUK warring on them and harassing them in their home region(s).
What would you do if someone came to your house and starting ganking you?
Would you not take the fight to the person(s)' house who is ganking you? You hit their industrial base to slow their attack down.
This is simple strategy here.
Let's not confuse the issue here.
This sort of thing is what x-CA, BoB and their buddies do: they farm alliances as though they were sheep.
It's all fun and games to them; they get to blow up anyone they see, and keep the loot (making a decent living off it in some cases).
I could almost respect them for it, if they weren't such asshats about it; spouting propaganda, and smacktalk.
I simply dont know what issue you are trying to address here. But you seem to be very passionate about it. Thats a good start for a FA propagandist. You dont actually have to know anything, you just make up stories and preferably type FACT in capital letters, especially if you put the FACT-lines in bullet points. Then you will eventually win the crowd.
Originally by: Rattleshirt
I know for a fact all that about FA making immense amounts of money off stations is a bunch of nonsense. And not only that; what they did take from people for using stations they hold is bloody peanuts compared to the potential profits to be gained in 0.0
So you want a lower rate? Bloody well negotiate for one; its a game of commerce, trade something for it.
/sarcasm
Thanks for stopping by, please try again propaganda trolls.
Dont get me wrong here, but I think that Shinra can figure out how much FA must have made in the glorius days of PBL, just by looking at the 2% they are charging, the current traffic in the area, and the just multiply it up to 5% and a buckload of more traffic. See this is not a FACT, but its a hell of a good place to start, by doing some calculus, instead of just writing 'fact'.
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Market Gopher
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Posted - 2005.03.21 09:02:00 -
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And the remark about propaganda. Take a good look at the forums and see who it is that actually is spouting the propaganda. Its FA trying to cover up the FACT (there it was again) that they got plenty of hostiles in their own region, running around killing them on sight. Granted FA get kills aswell, but that is kind of expected, it is war after all, and everybody makes mistakes. And about the smacktalk and the likes. Who was it that got the EVE political map project shut down? That was FA for their endless whinage on these very boards. They couldn't handle the truth, so they sabotaged a good and decent project. The region was only contested, it wasn't given to Shinra/BOB/ATUK. Shinra/BOB/ATUK do have a constant presence there, so that is just fair to acknowledge their work, isn't it? I'm sure FA would want the same if they back in the days had invaded Curse region and stayed and fought for a month or two.
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Monkey Time
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Posted - 2005.03.21 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Angelhunter
Edited by: Angelhunter on 21/03/2005 07:32:34
Originally by: Vince Draken
One simple fact about FA is the refuse to fight at this stage. Just look what happened by NOL Saturday. Its just sad. I thought they were so rich.
Before you go any further with that, ask Lallante about the convo he had with Baun today. Might clear up some things about who is refusing to fight.
thats an easy one mate. 7 of us jumped into tpar, yesterday morning. You had equal numbers. As soon as we jumped in you all logged off, except for your covert ops.
NOL, on saturday. You had 30 ships trying to take the station. As soon as we got 3 jumps away you all ran away.
@ the poster. You are welcome in the PB region mate. Basically, we'll treat you the same way you treat us. FA and FIX do come to attack the area, but mostly they look for the easy indy ganks, so just dont wander about by yourself.
The only reason FA attacked Tpar is so they can try and get the map maker to say the region is contested. They have no intentions of staying there, as that would mean having to put up a fight.
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Martin duPorres
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Posted - 2005.03.21 10:03:00 -
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You can see how lame FA is by the fact they can barely muster a 30 man fleet. Also, look at their number decline and the lack of activity overall. Their good pvpers refuse to fight with most of the "appointed" FC's because they suck.
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Rattleshirt
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Posted - 2005.03.21 20:02:00 -
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Please accept my appology Mr. Gofer, it was unclear to me that you were not talking about FA, given the rest of your post and quote was, and most of the rest of this thread has been FA, Shinra, and others.
I also am sorry for saying are you 5, obviously not, and it won't happen again.
I admit to having been a bit rushed when I posted but, much of what I said, I still stand by.
Originally by: Martin duPorres
You can see how lame FA is by the fact they can barely muster a 30 man fleet. Also, look at their number decline and the lack of activity overall. Their good pvpers refuse to fight with most of the "appointed" FC's because they suck.
Oh yes, obviously they are lame then. (sarcasm)
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