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Jakk Graiseach	Posted - 2005.03.20 11:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Cuistis So you kick people out if they're worried they'll lose?... Which, of course, would make everybody tell you, if they are, that they're worried... You really should find out more about us before typing a response that - in all honesty - does not make sense. Please take the time to understand the Star Fraction Charter and then drop into the debating area to discuss any matters which may arise. -- All accounts cancelled - have fun guys
Strikeclone	Posted - 2005.03.20 17:20:00 - [32] Edited by: Strikeclone on 20/03/2005 17:22:14 I have stated where the contract originated from. I have stated that C.A.G. has no official opinion regarding how any empire runs itselff according to its own laws in its own lands. I have posted nothing inflamatory, nothing of rhetoric, I have simply and decently announced prior to any combat that C.A.G. and C.V.A. will be in a state of war unless another contract offer is made by another party. As stated in the very begining the origins of this contract are relevant to the on going conflict between the C.V.A and Star Fraction. Therefore the "title" seems particularly apt. We are simply mercenaries acting in a diciplined and honourable fashion towards our client's adversaries. We would do this were an Ammarian faction our patron and a Minnmatar faction our clients enemy. For those of any faction who are having any difficulty with this concept you are welcome to contact us via our channel "C.A.G. Office" For those who are continuing to post their ignorance and insults I would ask that you refrain from doing so, this is a diplomatic thread as a courtesy to the C.V.A. I would have expected more courtesy and respect from C.V.A. than has been shown thus far. To the pilots of C.A.G we are now in a state of war with C.V.A. and are soon to have several other unannounced war declarations go live. From this point on UFN you are directed not to post on this thread, but may start/continue posts elsewhere. The subject matter of this post is clear and many of the responses have shown that regardless of our conduct we are to be treated with scorn and show unearned disrespect. We are a professionals and shall act accordingly on and off the field regardless of the conduct of others. That is all. Admiral Strikeclone CinC, Caldari Assault Group "Peace through the application of superior firepower" C.A.G. website http://bosie.proboards40.com/
Wakita	Posted - 2005.03.20 18:21:00 - [33] Edited by: Wakita on 20/03/2005 18:31:53 I believe this is a Caldari plot. Obviously there is no real contract from a real Eve corporation or party rather this is a cover by these so called mercenaries to launch preemptive attacks on whoever they please. All law abiding citizens of Eve should be concerned at the renegade tactics of these pirates who feign honor and just cause but really have no standing other then to seek random combat. While I hate slavery and those who engage in it I also hate random violence without purpose. The Caldari have always been concerned with only themselves and money. Perhaps Strikeclone Caldari would be so kind as to comment on his own races participation in the slave trade? Wakita Call of Freedom We Shall be Free Ronin of Matar alone on the path
Strikeclone	Posted - 2005.03.20 19:28:00 - [34] Edited by: Strikeclone on 20/03/2005 19:48:00 Originally by: Wakita Edited by: Wakita on 20/03/2005 18:31:53 I believe this is a Caldari plot. Obviously there is no real contract from a real Eve corporation or party rather this is a cover by these so called mercenaries to launch preemptive attacks on whoever they please. All law abiding citizens of Eve should be concerned at the renegade tactics of these pirates who feign honor and just cause but really have no standing other then to seek random combat. While I hate slavery and those who engage in it I also hate random violence without purpose. The Caldari have always been concerned with only themselves and money. Perhaps Strikeclone Caldari would be so kind as to comment on his own races participation in the slave trade? Wakita Call of Freedom We Shall be Free C.A.G. is a mercenary unit. We are paid by interested parties who require military services which can be anything for defence to attack and everything in between. I fail to see the complication in this concept. It has nothing to do with my personal feelings towards anything or what property i own, nor my racial heritage. But in the interests of educating you in areas in which u are obviously lacking, hence your unfathomable war declaration against us I shall attempt to explain. As clearly stated, we have been offered a contract to effect military ation against the C.V.A. The clients identity shall as with our previous contracts remain a matter of cofidentiality. There is no plot of any kind by any faction or race. Just business as usual. I can confirm that payment has been recieved to cover the cost of the war including the fees payable to Concord. As well as a basic fee for our action. Prior to this contract C.A.G. has completed two other contracts successfully to the complete satisfaction of our clients. When not on contract C.A.G. is activly engaged in anti-pirate opperations against Imperium Alliance in the Syndicate region. Where currently we have enjoyed some success and some defeats against some very tough opponents. Again I must state that we are a mercenary unit and have no affiliation with the Caldari State, or any other empire faction. As a mercenary unit we are of course concerned with money by definition. I would advise that before your war declaration goes active you actually reserch the topic of study prior to voicing any more ignorance and hipocracy. If you want to change the actions/laws/attitudes of an entire society you must have the authority to back up your demands and violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived. How is it that the Ammar have your people under the boot if not that they have the strength to do it, only by greater strength shall you gain the freedom you desire. For the record I personally have never had nor will have any slaves, nor do I use or allow to be used slaves in my corporation. I detest the notion but having said that anyone can offer C.A.G. a contract which will be reviewed by our command and a decision will be made on many factors not least of all the personal feelings of our commanders. So whilst my personal feelings towards slavery are negative they would not rule out any future Ammar contracts. I do find it curious that a mercenary unit like your Wakita is interested in elimination those you consider scum rather than making money. That being hte reason for being for a merc outfit. I am not sure I am qualified to make a statement on behalf of an entire race. However I would draw your attention to an ancient proverb "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" In the comming days you would do well to remember that. As a final note I would again direct you to reserch those whom you insist in insulting so that you may actually insult them with facts, rather than rhetoric. You may also then be able to actually present proof of any claims you make. Alternately you may find that the person you are looking to smear is infact likely to be a useful ally at best or indifferent at worst. Try it, you have nothing to loose but your ignorance and self humiliation. Admiral Strikeclone CinC, Caldari Assault Group "Peace through the application of superior firepower" C.A.G. website http://bosie.proboards40.com/
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.03.21 01:27:00 - [35] Originally by: Wakita Edited by: Wakita on 20/03/2005 18:31:53 I believe this is a Caldari plot. Obviously there is no real contract from a real Eve corporation or party rather this is a cover by these so called mercenaries to launch preemptive attacks on whoever they please. All law abiding citizens of Eve should be concerned at the renegade tactics of these pirates who feign honor and just cause but really have no standing other then to seek random combat. While I hate slavery and those who engage in it I also hate random violence without purpose. The Caldari have always been concerned with only themselves and money. Perhaps Strikeclone Caldari would be so kind as to comment on his own races participation in the slave trade? Wakita Call of Freedom We Shall be Free The mercenary as anything but a glorified pirate is a very recent developement. The ancient thinking was that one who has no master but gold, has no honour. Im sure that view is still instilled in most citizens of the empires today. --------------------------------------------------
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2005.03.21 03:27:00 - [36] I would thank the Caldari Assault Group with the opportunity to reap the first kill in the conflict descending upon us. It pained me to see that Crusader burn and implode, but shuch is duty. For honor, for death, no quarter. ----------------------------------------------
The Patriarch	Posted - 2005.03.21 12:46:00 - [37] Quote: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" You are creating more enemies then desired. Nonetheless I welcome you to the front. As`t nie giet soals `t mot, mot `t moar soals `t giet!
Strikeclone	Posted - 2005.03.21 21:01:00 - [38] Edited by: Strikeclone on 21/03/2005 21:02:17 Originally by: The Patriarch Quote: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" You are creating more enemies then desired. Nonetheless I welcome you to the front. What is your point? The sole purpose of this message was to announce to C.V.A. that we would soon be at war. This was a courtesy on our part because we operate under a certain code of conduct. It has absolutely nothing to do with your confused doctrine or your seeming desire to alienate those who are fighting your enemies. We have shown C.V.A. respect and have been derided by them as merc scum. we have shown restraint when posting in the face of Minmatar arrogance and ignorance. We will continue to show respect to the C.V.A. and show restraint towards you and yours even as we fight your enemies whilst your harrasse your allies by default. This is for one simple concept that seems to evade you, honour is derived by ones actions not the acclaim of others. We are honoured to act honourably not because we desire others to say we are honourable or decent. So please whilst we fight for the freedom of the 500 you declare war and insult us, and continue to demonstrait the reason why your people remain under the Ammar boot. Your lack of clarity on who is your friend and who is your foe seems cloudy, so do not look for some Ammar boot holding you down, you will find the correct foot much closer to home. All I will say is that we are at war with C.V.A. and her allies until such time as the contract expires or else is cancelled. But any aggressive action can expect to meet with reaction now or in the future. That is all Admiral Strikeclone CinC, Caldari Assault Group "Peace through the application of superior firepower" C.A.G. website http://bosie.proboards40.com/
The Patriarch	Posted - 2005.03.22 09:03:00 - [39] *grins* You laughable caricature, welcoming you to the front doesnÆt mean welcoming you as a friend nor foe Quote: So please whilst we fight for the freedom of the 500 you declare war and insult us, and continue to demonstrait the reason why your people remain under the Ammar boot. You seemingly love slaverhounds ****, cus you`re full of it. Keep restraining As`t nie giet soals `t mot, mot `t moar soals `t giet!
Strikeclone	Posted - 2005.03.22 21:41:00 - [40] Originally by: The Patriarch *grins* You laughable caricature, welcoming you to the front doesnÆt mean welcoming you as a friend nor foe Quote: So please whilst we fight for the freedom of the 500 you declare war and insult us, and continue to demonstrait the reason why your people remain under the Ammar boot. You seemingly love slaverhounds ****, cus you`re full of it. Keep restraining I need to clarify something that was missing on my post there was supposed to be a quote from Wakita prior to a comment i made with regard to friend of foe, this was not a refernce to you Patriarch but a pointer to the fact that for some unknown reason a Minatar merc corp has declared war on us because we are at war with some Ammarian corps in support of 500 Minmatar slaves. Although I don't appreciate being refered to as a laughable caricature as I myself push back when puched I can't blame when other do it to me. I regret this unfortunate lack of forum editing skills on my part. Although I still don't understand why Minmatar's seem so hostile to corps attacking Ammar interests especially when the motivation is to free slaves? Anyway I hope I have cleared things up a little. Admiral Strikeclone CinC, Caldari Assault Group "Peace through the application of superior firepower" C.A.G. website http://bosie.proboards40.com/
Archbishop	Posted - 2005.03.23 00:35:00 - [41] Quote: "Although I still don't understand why Minmatar's seem so hostile to corps attacking Ammar interests especially when the motivation is to free slaves?" In truth Admiral Strikeclone the average Minmatar owes his alligence to no one and nothing. While you are the enemy of the CVA I will impart some wisdom to you on the beasts themselves. They are ungrateful and undeserving. Offered the gift of enlightenment they instead choose terrorism and violence. They have no loyalty for their own as evidenced by their attitude toward the so called "official" Minmatar Republic. Choas and disruption are their hallmarks and destruction their only objective. As you mentioned above Strikeclone you have no personal agenda but are merely satisfying a contract by some 6th generation removed Minmatar. As such you should expect no favor from these animals. I dare say even as a declared enemy of the CVA you would receive more respect from us then you would from these wretched creatures. Archbishop Vice-Admiral PIE CORPORATION VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Strikeclone	Posted - 2005.03.23 06:20:00 - [42] Archbishop, I thank you for your comments and whilst I may or may not agree I appreciate the reasoned, civilized way you have made them. Whilst we remain on different sides of this argument I hope that mutual respect shall be a common factor between us, despite the comments of some of your brothers, and the heated posts of some of my younger mercs (who have been admonished) Regards Admiral Strikeclone CinC, Caldari Assault Group "Peace through the application of superior firepower" C.A.G. website http://bosie.proboards40.com/
Darth Vegeta	Posted - 2005.03.27 18:07:00 - [43] Edited by: Darth Vegeta on 27/03/2005 18:08:00 Originally by: Yuki Li CVA Rules of conversational tact: 1. Declare superiority 2. Threaten with death 3. accuse potential enemy of inferiority 4. repeat (1) Halfway there already. ;) you forgot "Claim God told me to"
Strikeclone	Posted - 2005.03.29 22:26:00 - [44] Due to the Concord bug the war was unexpectedly cancelled. We seem to have come up slightly higher on ship kills and resource destruction than the C.V.A. an its allies. Due to the increasing cost of restarting and then continuing the war on C.V.A. the client has decided not to continue the contract and it has been ended amicably. All due respect to many of the C.V.A. foes we encountered the kills we had were more from luck (and skill of course ) than any serious errors on their part and some of our key loses were the result of cunning traps which we then had to fight our way out of. The old three gankedon gambit was particularly effective. The only dissapointing thing I will say about the war was the conduct of many of the allied pilots on the C.V.A. side who were good at safe spoting then smack talking on open channels. Not exactly the kind of diciplined and professional behaviour I have come to associate with C.V.A. but that is a matter for C.V.A. to deal with or not as they see fit. Salute "Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy." Winston Churchill, Terra, 1941 AD, the original Caldari Thank you for your attention Admiral Strikeclone CinC, Caldari Assault Group "Peace through the application of superior firepower" C.A.G. website http://bosie.proboards40.com/
Archbishop	Posted - 2005.03.30 00:58:00 - [45] Quote: "We seem to have come up slightly higher on ship kills and resource destruction than the C.V.A. an its allies." I checked the PIE death board and found no kills by your corporation. If you had PIE kills please evemail them to me so I can ensure the list is updated. We try to maintain an accurate database for internal use. If people aren't reporting their "deaths" we need to find out why. I'm not sure about the other CVA corps most reported having difficulty finding CSF. Quote: "The only dissapointing thing I will say about the war was the conduct of many of the allied pilots on the C.V.A. side who were good at safe spoting then smack talking on open channels. Not exactly the kind of diciplined and professional behaviour I have come to associate with C.V.A. but that is a matter for C.V.A. to deal with or not as they see fit." Thank you, Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Bosie	Posted - 2005.03.30 06:53:00 - [46] The smack was not from CVA but her allies (the corps that war decd us for attacking you). I spent a full week looking for a fight solo in various ships only to get outgunned by PIE when I did find them. Just ask that assault pilot that called in the heavy assult to deal with my Wolf, that was a damn good fight. Several times we did engage PIE with members of SF. Good game to CVA, but again it was not you but the likes of Amarria Auxillia and that silly Minmitar Corp that smacked us. Heck AA joined our public channel after I podded their CEO in a poor attempt to wind us up. Bosie. http://bosie.proboards40.com/ http://zeroimpact.co.uk/evemap
Jakk Graiseach	Posted - 2005.03.30 09:39:00 - [47] It was fun having you around, CAG. Hope Concord honours their commitment to your next contract better. Fly hard! -- All accounts cancelled - have fun guys
Archbishop	Posted - 2005.03.30 14:12:00 - [48] Quote: "The smack was not from CVA but her allies (the corps that war decd us for attacking you)." OK thank you for that clarification. The way Admiral Strikeclone originally wrote his post it appeared he was saying the CVA was doing this. I'm glad to find that is not the case. We are not allied with other corporations although there are other pro-Amarr entities out there defending God and Empire. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Strikeclone	Posted - 2005.03.31 18:59:00 - [49] Originally by: Archbishop Quote: "The smack was not from CVA but her allies (the corps that war decd us for attacking you)." OK thank you for that clarification. The way Admiral Strikeclone originally wrote his post it appeared he was saying the CVA was doing this. I'm glad to find that is not the case. We are not allied with other corporations although there are other pro-Amarr entities out there defending God and Empire. Archbishop Thank you Fleet Captain Bosie for clearing up my somewhat clumsy English. I wish to attempt to state that the undesirable behaviour was committed by corporations who had declared war on us after we had declared a contract on C.V.A. NOT the C.V.A. themselves who displayed admirable dicipline and conduct on the field. Admiral Strikeclone CinC, Caldari Assault Group "Peace through the application of superior firepower" C.A.G. website http://bosie.proboards40.com/
Russo	Posted - 2005.04.02 08:48:00 - [50] I dont normally pay much attention to whats said on the intergal by our enemies, but I must clarify a few inconsistencies with their accounts. Firstly, though I am sure you are big tough hairy caldari men, none of you has podded me. Another member of my corp was podded, his name was not Russo. And to have podded the CEO, you would have to have podded Russo. I lost a kestrel to a crow, thats it. Secondly, AMAX joined your channel to have playful banter with you. We do not hate our enemies. We only defend what we must. If you cant have a sense of humor...not our fault, but no smack was talked. You may have interpreted it as such, but we have no animocity for your corporation or pilots. Thirdly. I have been busy lately. Or I would have been out slaughtering you like the misguided lamb you are. God Bless. CEO - Amarria Auxilia
Strikeclone	Posted - 2005.04.02 09:53:00 - [51] Russo, the contract is over and whilst you may wish to continue spending money to have a war declaration against us all it will lead to is more ships lost for you and yours. Your pilots talk rubbish fom their safepoints and in our public relations channel. That is smack talk and I am sure that somewhere in our records we have the chatlog files to prove it. In any case I have no more time to bandy words with a turncoat whelp. You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting. Admiral Strikeclone CinC, Caldari Assault Group "Peace through the application of superior firepower" C.A.G. website http://bosie.proboards40.com/
Amarula	Posted - 2005.04.02 11:50:00 - [52] Originally by: Russo Secondly, AMAX joined your channel to have playful banter with you. We do not hate our enemies. We only defend what we must. If you cant have a sense of humor...not our fault, but no smack was talked. Talk about hypocritical. From our experience Russo you have far less of a sense of humour than a female Amarrian priestess with PMT... ---------------
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2005.04.02 12:09:00 - [53] Originally by: Amarula Originally by: Russo Secondly, AMAX joined your channel to have playful banter with you. We do not hate our enemies. We only defend what we must. If you cant have a sense of humor...not our fault, but no smack was talked. Talk about hypocritical. From our experience Russo you have far less of a sense of humour than a female Amarrian priestess with PMT... Russo is not trueborn, and as such he carries the burden of vices, some more noticeable to his enemies than others. He has the spine to stand straight and back up his words through action though, more than what I can say about most of his numerous detractors. The virtues of a man who has served the Empire loyally through thick and thin far outveigh his vices, and Russo is one of the few non Amarr I would accept as my wingman any day. Keep the fury pumping, Russo, and unleash it upon our enemies. For you are Righteous in doing so. For the Empire. ----------------------------------------------
Amarula	Posted - 2005.04.02 19:59:00 - [54] Thanks for proving my point, Gauis... ---------------
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:41:00 - [55] Dancer, I would play with you for fun as long as my patience let me. You are nothing, in fact I am so superior to all of your kind none of you have a chance of dragging me down save numbers. Laughable *****, how dare you even speak at me. ----------------------------------------------
Amarula	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:46:00 - [56] I think Gauis is having PMT now...hit a nerve, did I, scumbag? ---------------
Russo	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:50:00 - [57] Thank you for those most generous words Lord Grand Inquisitor. It is very possible that some of my pilots, most likely the newer ones, would be the ones thatmay have smack talked. I will speak to them about it, but really, I cant be expected to control every single word that comes out of their mouths. They are grown men and have minds of their own. I noticed...you didnt call me a liar about saying I didnt get podded. Thats because you knew I wasnt ever podded, and you were the liars. How pathetic.
Bosie	Posted - 2005.04.03 01:28:00 - [58] Originally by: Russo I noticed...you didnt call me a liar about saying I didnt get podded. Thats because you knew I wasnt ever podded, and you were the liars. How pathetic. You ended up in a pod, I never said that I pod killed you. Guess we can put that down to your "elite" Kessie skills... nice bio mate. Bosie. http://bosie.proboards40.com/ http://zeroimpact.co.uk/evemap
Strikeclone	Posted - 2005.04.03 02:56:00 - [59] Originally by: Russo Thank you for those most generous words Lord Grand Inquisitor. It is very possible that some of my pilots, most likely the newer ones, would be the ones thatmay have smack talked. I will speak to them about it, but really, I cant be expected to control every single word that comes out of their mouths. They are grown men and have minds of their own. I noticed...you didnt call me a liar about saying I didnt get podded. Thats because you knew I wasnt ever podded, and you were the liars. How pathetic. ""Russo you are a disgrace to the Caldari nation, not only are you a turn coat but an Amarr sympathizer nay an Amarr lover as well. I wonder does your Amarr master keep you with his other slaves or does he have a special hovel just for you as I am sure even the most low down Minmatar slave worker can't stand to be in the presents of someone with such a stench of treachery and deception. Further more you make great claim about your skills as a warrior and pilot, this is possibly the single most Caldari like attribute until your complete lack of skill lands you in a pod then you have the gall to post in my diplomatic thread. The only reason you even exsist to me is that you have followed your betters into war in a vain attempt to redeem your honour and to gain riches and glory that are the birth right of all Caldari. But instead you follow others who view you as their inferior and subordinate and leave all chance of honour, and glory in the gutter. You disgust me, the way your fawn over your owners. Do you really think that you are anything more to them than cannon fodder? Have you no self respect left? You dishonour yourself and your family, your entire bloodline must carry the weight of your shame. Were I a religious man I would pray that you soon do something of note lest you dissapear back into the gutter from whence you came."" This is what I might write were I the type of pilot to smack talk over open channels. As I am not I shall simply remind you of your current state as far as the Caldari Assault Group are concerned. Originally by: Strikeclone You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting Admiral Strikeclone CinC, Caldari Assault Group "Peace through the application of superior firepower" C.A.G. website http://bosie.proboards40.com/
Russo	Posted - 2005.04.03 07:26:00 - [60] Well you can brag if you like about surviving on structure from a stock kestrel, when you were flying a crow surely fitted with plenty of nice equipment. You wouldnt have survived if it were not for my slight pilot error. I havent flown that ship in a long time. Also, you did claim to have podded me. Podded means...destroyed the pod.

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