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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2012.11.11 12:37:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Doing any thing we can to liberate our tribes is not something we consiously decided, it is but second nature.
I agree. Any excuse for violence against someone not from the same genome group is indeed second nature to the Minmatar.
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:We wouldn't have it any other way, to give up is to stop being.
Agreed. Peace is poison to the Minmatar.
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:The blood i do not relish but comes with the territory. Unlike the Amarr I would never torture the children I kill, but I regret every one of them, who have fallen to the khumaak.
Hanzo is laughing again. He says "Torture? Grandson would agree about homework."
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:If it wasnt for the selfrighteous of those who claim an empty faith
Self-righteous? Kettle. Pot. Black.
Empty faith? Come back when you actually have a faith to be called empty.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1143
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Posted - 2012.11.11 12:57:00 -
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You don't seem to be permanently maintaining a state of vexation. I'm disappointed.
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Ezra Larkyn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.11.15 14:21:00 -
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When two are fighting to find out who is right its not the true what they bring to the surface.
It is blood.
Sorry for my bad english.
I'm native minmatar and i've learned it from a ducttaped translation comp.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2012.11.16 18:30:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:You don't seem to be permanently maintaining a state of vexation. I'm disappointed.
I've been making a point of trying to retain my composure lately. I believe it is God's will that I do not fall back to the mindless hate of my ancestors.
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kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
32
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Posted - 2012.11.17 01:01:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Doing any thing we can to liberate our tribes is not something we consiously decided, it is but second nature. I agree. Any excuse for violence against someone not from the same genome group is indeed second nature to the Minmatar. kraiklyn Asatru wrote:We wouldn't have it any other way, to give up is to stop being. Agreed. Peace is poison to the Minmatar. kraiklyn Asatru wrote:The blood i do not relish but comes with the territory. Unlike the Amarr I would never torture the children I kill, but I regret every one of them, who have fallen to the khumaak. Hanzo is laughing again. He says "Torture? Grandson would agree about homework." kraiklyn Asatru wrote:If it wasnt for the selfrighteous of those who claim an empty faith Self-righteous? Kettle. Pot. Black. Empty faith? Come back when you actually have a faith to be called empty.
You keep your brothers as slaves. Then you tell me they enjoy it.
Right.
Free your slaves, than I wont have to kill you.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2012.11.20 11:57:00 -
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Brothers? They may claim kinship to me, but I claim no kinship to them.
Personally, I'm all in favor of returning the vast majority of those still in bondage. If, after all these centuries and generations, they haven't managed to lift themselves out of barbarism then let them go be with the rest of the barbarians. The worst of the vitoxin poster children - the serial killers, the rapists, the mass murderers, the brutal thugs, the just plain psychotic and the rest of that hopeless lot - Yes, if it were up to me I'd gladly send them all back to the Republic and let them deal with those miscreants. They'd fit right in.
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kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
34
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Posted - 2012.11.20 12:17:00 -
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You are the monsters, drugging people, abusing, raping and killing. You then justify this by calling it a reclaimation and act morally superior. At least we recgonize criminals for what they are. You worship them. Reality is that you wont let them go. Someone has to do the work for amarrians after alll. It is the minmatar who keep your economy going. Slavery and abuse is what you live by. I prefer being a barbarian thank you. Beats being you any day. |
Miyuki Hasegawa
Kokako Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.11.20 13:06:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:The worst of the vitoxin poster children - the serial killers, the rapists, the mass murderers, the brutal thugs, the just plain psychotic...
Interesting, you'd think these would be some of the primary candidates for help. Vitoxin? For psychosis? Really?
Perhaps you were looking for another word? Perhaps you were simply throwing around evocative buzzwords? Who knows. |
Streya Jormagdnir
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.11.24 22:58:00 -
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What does it mean? For me it means doing what you can for your clan and kin, and being able to fend for yourself and stand tall. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2012.12.01 17:41:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:At least we recgonize criminals for what they are. You worship them.
That is laughable at best.
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Thgil Goldcore
Advenus Classem
380
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Posted - 2012.12.01 22:18:00 -
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This may stun a few people considering my position... But there is alot to admire about the Minmatar people. They are resourceful and strong under almost any circumstance and are willing to commit acts of extreme self sacrifice to their cause. Genetically they are a mighty people with quick wit and fortitude to back it up. None can deny these things...
However...
By themselves with their own perverse values in which they throw themselves into they can be monstrous. The same fortitude and self sacrifice that can be harnessed for actions of great good can also be twisted to terrorism and wholesale slaughter of innocence.
When in service to themselves they can be cruel, violent, and brutish race where their redeemable qualities are marred by sin.
In service to God, they are a glorious race able to compliment the Empire is so many ways.
So what do you want it to mean to be minmatar?
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Streya Jormagdnir
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.12.01 22:48:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:
So what do you want it to mean to be minmatar?
To be able to freely flex my hand.
My hands which harvest the fruits of my own work , or strike down any who would steal from me or my kin.
My hands which can gently hold an orphan close and give succor, or deprive my foes of air when wrapped about the neck.
My hands which can be raised to the sky in joy when my people live free another day, or raised as a fist in the air out of defiance.
Bind my hands, and I am motionless as though dead. Release them, and I soar among the heavens.
That is your goal, right? Lead us to heaven? |
Thgil Goldcore
Advenus Classem
381
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Posted - 2012.12.01 23:14:00 -
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Yes, I would like to see the Minmatar people flurish as part of the Empire. However service to yourself as you believe is not soaring to the heavens, its diving into hell. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
645
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Posted - 2012.12.02 00:11:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:Yes, I would like to see the Minmatar people flurish as part of the Empire. However service to yourself as you believe is not soaring to the heavens, its diving into hell.
I can't help but find a bias vested interest in your opinion when you would promote a suggestion of servitude and second class citizenship, at best, as a preferable alternative to self determination and liberty.
Enjoy your gaming.
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Kentt Em'asep
Clone Red Creations
30
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Posted - 2012.12.02 03:18:00 -
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It is really sad how us Minmatar have turned out. Here, in a thread on the iGS, we are asking what makes us who we are?... the we cleary about us Minmatar.
The Amarr and the Minmatar, the Empire and the Republic. They are entirely two different sides, clearly defined by the colors of black and white, or light and dark. They were never there to be put together, but due to the times of history, they can never be brought apart. For they have woven the other side to become a part of them.
The Empire many, many, many years ago, decided to enslave the Matari people for that is what their God had said when they first lay their eyes on the Matari planets. Before that, before the enslavement, I believe that being Minmatar was to be with your family. To stand alongside each other during times of hardship. To support each other, and to care for each other. To have to right to believe whatever you wished to believe, and live life to its fullest.
Because of the slavery, and the Empire, most Amarrians think that the Matari are savages. Brutal, and all killers. Republic space is where they breed like animals. Why have they become that? Why won't they accept our God and work as slaves? To believe in God should help them, they should be shown the light! Why do they have to rebel with such violence?
It's easy to understand for everyone but the Amarr. Even if they look to their books to understand. But they never will. If the Amarr never came, I believe that the Republic would be about the same, maybe bigger. But they did come, and put generations of Matari in the dark when they eagerly casted their light.
With all that said, nowadays, most Minmatar believe that to become Minmatar, one must become everything the Amarr are not. One can easily turn to a dictionary and look up the word Freedom. Which is defined as the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint. There are many other definitions that say about the same thing. With that said, having strangers come and say you have to believe in their God because your life has been in the wrong, in their eyes, is not the definition of Freedom. The hell many Ammarians speak of is actually our heaven. The heaven many Amarrians speak of is actually our hell. Throughout our history of coexisting, many have never understood that.
If you read this far, I am glad. I could have said it in one of two sentences, but it won't have the same effect.
To be Minmatar, one should have the right to believe in what they wish. They could life a blessed life without even touching or laying eyes on the Amarrian book of God. Their freedom in choice would make them stronger, and become closer to family and friends. And to support each other in times of hardship.
~"That's right. Today, tomorrow, the next day, and the day after that, and the day after that...from here on until forever, every time you look at my avatar - you'll see this scowl."
~"Forever?"
~"Yes - forever. It's what I do." |
Ava Starfire
Gradient
Electus Matari
460
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Posted - 2012.12.02 17:18:00 -
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It occurred to me I never actually responded to the question.
To "be something" is to adhere to the cultural expectations of that group. The cultural expectations of the Minmatar people, while varied between tribes and even clans, have a few common threads. Here is the biggie:
It is to follow the ways of your ancestors, to walk our Path and strengthen our Clan, Tribe, and people overall by doing so. A tree survives because each leaf and twig does what it must to support the whole. A Clan or Tribe is no different. It does not matter what that person's path is; a tailor or mechanic is as important to the survival of a clan as a shaman or warrior. All must do the best they possibly can, for the benefit of their own family, that extended collection of families which we call "clan", and that collection of clans known as "a tribe". An individual's glory is honorable and deserved, but only if that glory was gained to benefit the family and clan. When the Clan prospers, the members prosper. When the Clan suffers, the members suffer. This is pretty fundamental, and is why Clan is so important to us. The Spirits offer hints and guidance as we Walk, through our Voluvals and other signs and hints. We walk, we live, we die, we honor our ancestors and our Clan.
I dont know what the big deal is. Pretty simple, really. We "be minmatar" by being Minmatar. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
312
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Posted - 2012.12.03 05:17:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:Yes, I would like to see the Minmatar people flurish as part of the Empire. However service to yourself as you believe is not soaring to the heavens, its diving into hell.
Flourish? By being "allowed", after nine generations of hard bondage, to become second-class citizens who still service their "betters" the so-called True Amarr? That hardly qualifies as flourishing by any definition of the word that I'm familiar with.
If perpetual servitude (to other men considered as superior or to an invisible deity) is what you Amarrians consider heaven then I say better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Ssakaa
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
238
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Posted - 2012.12.03 05:52:00 -
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Kentt Em'asep wrote:
To be Minmatar, one should have the right to believe in what they wish ... Their freedom in choice would make them stronger, and become closer to family and friends. And to support each other in times of hardship.
And to embrace the time-honoured tradition of honest-to-goodness tribal rivalry, falling out with one another at the drop of a hat, over everything, anything at all.
Since MaryAmarr's arrival, however, the creation of a 'Republic' gave us one rather astounding benefit among its many, many flaws - a unity of purpose that wasn't always as purposeful and collegial between the remaining six tribes as it was historically (when there were seven). Something Amarr did not forsee; rather they sought to exploit disharmony but created its opposite (by and large -tribalism is tribalism after all is said and done)
So, lose one major tribe (and good riddance) for a united front, at long last. The profundity of this point can be staggering if one stops to think.
"Gypsy Secora" Amun, travelling psy-chic and misfortune-teller. Cross my palm with iskies.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2012.12.03 06:33:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Flourish? By being "allowed", after nine generations of hard bondage, to become second-class citizens who still service their "betters" the so-called True Amarr? That hardly qualifies as flourishing by any definition of the word that I'm familiar with.
As 2nd in command of our entire company I often have to ask myself: Do I want to fly my Gila or Rattlesnake against Sansha's peons today? Or would I rather spend time training and helping out the new members? I guess I'll decide after get done checking some company contracts. Oh woe is me. I am so destitute and oppressed.
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Streya Jormagdnir
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.12.03 07:02:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote: Oh woe is me. I am so destitute and oppressed.
You're a capsuleer, and thus make up less than one percent of the general population. If you truly believe every slave has access to millions upon millions of kredits' worth of assets, then you're not merely blind. You're dumb.
If slaves are generally happy people, why was there a Rebellion at all? Happy people don't rebel. Common sense, people...
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