Being Minmatar? If you already using such terms, probably the usual propaganda that all matari people can only be content if they're a part of the Republic.

Au contraire, a lot of matari people are much more content not being part of the Republic.

So, you might want to differentiate that political part from your initial question... unless you want this to descend into another topic laced by politics.

The only person who brought the republic into the conversation Mr Caine, was you.
as you have said, it is possible to be Matari without being part of the republic.

Then there was this other person, who said it was all about revenge. Revenge against the Amarr for the long years of oppression and enslavement of a large proportion of our people.

Oh, and in case you need this explained to you, You are not Matari. Therefore this thread, and the question within it was not aimed at you. Kindly stay out of Matari business. As you and yours should have done oh so long ago.

But those who are also angel cartel loyalists. Yeah.. it's pretty safe to stereotype those ones.

Still. The initial question was aimed at the Matari. you are not Matari.
I'm sure you can understand that if a question asking what it is to be khanid was posed, it would be aimed at the Khanid, and having random Gallente pipe in with an unabashed attempt at muddying the waters and derailing the initial purpose of the thread would be frowned upon.

Rather non sequiteur, don't you think?

Caine. Do your public image a favour and shut up.

Caine. Do your public image a favour and shut up.

Says the slave vivisectionist.

Oh, and in case you need this explained to you, You are not Matari. Therefore this thread, and the question within it was not aimed at you. Kindly stay out of Matari business. As you and yours should have done oh so long ago.

Ask 100 people this question and I'd wager that you'd get at least 100 different comments.

No offence, but in no part of her original post did she specify that the question was directed solely at Minmatar. In fact, given that she's asking what being Minmatar means, she probably doesn't have a clearly delineated idea of what it takes to be Matari.

Saede Riordan pointed out that there are at least two categories - Culturally Matari and Racially Matari. We can further point out that there are the Ammatar and any who are not fully Matari by blood, of which there are a great many.

I do not see how the enslavers and kin-slayers of the angel cartel are in any way Minmatar, regardless of their ancestry.

Well then you already have your own very specific version of being Minmatar that doesn't include me in it. If your mind was already made up, then why ask the question at all? So you could antagonistically respond in an attempt to prove your moral superiority?

She wasn't asking just you, nor yet steering the conversation into a confrontation with you, as you desire, because it isn't all/only about you.

So, what does being Minmatar mean?

The angel cartel attack on the genesis vaults was an attack on the culture of all Minmatar people.
It is an assault on our cultural heritage.

Therefore, cartel members, are no longer Minmatar, whatever their ancestry.

They made their bed, and can lie in it.

Since you, a novice capsuleer, definitely speak for the entire Minmatar ethnic group of several trillion people.

And you, a novice capsuleer, definitely get to say that you are a Minmatar despite repeated actions to the contrary.

I don't think its up to you or anyone else what culture I associate with. My clan, and the people of my system, respect me and don't see me as a traitor, but go ahead and write off the entire solar system as blood traitors, its not like you ever respected or helped us before anyway.

And you, a novice capsuleer, definitely get to say that you are a Minmatar despite repeated actions to the contrary.

Open your mind a little; things are not nearly as black-and-white as you'd like to think.

If you work for the Angel Cartel you can't in the same breath claim to be working for the good of your clan, tribe or the Matari people. Period.

Didn't Saede Riordan's clan vote in favor of Cartel oversight of the Skarkon system, of which they are residents? How many clans reside there, anyway? I wonder how many of them also voted in favor of the Cartel? Are they all considered traitors and criminals in your eyes?

Pardon the questions. I'm just putting together a sort of "news article".

Angels are slavers. You support Angels, you support the slavery, and your blood or your political concerns or that you don't like Shakor or the Krusuals or whoever else don't matter anymore. It's the line.

Not everyone in the Cartel is in the slave trading industry. It's a personal business decision undertaken by individuals. Do not assume out-of-hand that anyone is participating in it just because they support the Cartel.

It sounds to me like a lot of Minmatar capsuleers define "being Minmatar" as being "anti-slavery" rather than defining their own cultural identity. Seems kind of half-baked and unrefined. A society cannot survive off of "Freedom!!!" alone. You cannot eat freedom. I'm sure some of you would simply say "better to die of starvation and be free than be enslaved". But if that really happened to each and every single Republic citizen, you really wouldn't be free, would you? No, you'd be too busy being dead to be free.

A society needs a healthy mix of freedom and practicality in order to survive.

Honestly, much of the whole 'we are all brothers and sisters' thing I see seems more like propaganda of the Republic clans then anything else.

You're absolutely right.

But you know what a really good way to get people united towards a single goal, such as food production, is?

You give them a concept they can all relate to and believe in.

Every time I see non-Matari arguing over how someone or other dosent know what "being Matari means" I lose a little more faith in humans as an intelligent species.

That makes about as much damn sense as me arguing with a mushroom about the challenges of being a mushroom.

Well I have stumbled into an interesting conversation that, In my opinion, is based on nothing but old stories that you people cling to for whatever reason suits your egos.

To answer your question Constantly Outraged Sebiestor, it means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

We are NOT minmatar. These clones may be, but we are all from the race known as capsuleers. An infomorphic society that has more in common with the ancient sleepers than it does with any other race in New Eden. So lets all just cool our heads, take a step back and see the petty politics and tradtions of the "mortals" for what they truly are. Stories within OUR galaxy....

I hope that answers your question

I like to make the distinction between being ethnically Minmatar, just being born qualifies you here, and being culturally Minmatar, which involved being a member of a tribe and clan and earning your position within them.

Podders are not a "race," mate.

[cynicism]

That some of us delude ourselves into thinking so is very much a thing of the Human race, though!

[/cynicism]

We are nothing but tools, optimised for a purpose, and the only thing that makes us --some of us, anyway-- better than that is all those "petty politics and traditions of the 'mortals'" that we once were, and in all too many of the wrong ways, still are.

Remaining "grounded," as it were --and having a social structure, family/tribe/clan, or even just a bunch of friends to ensure you stay that way (not least of all the aforementioned Elder who gives you a good backhand for being a prat, even though you're a BIG BAD DEMIGOD(TM). Thankfully, as far as she's concerned, you're still just being a prat, and that's enough for her.) that is a critical aspect of being Matarri.

Arguably, it's what helps make, but more importantly, keeps us, us.

E:

You're not advocating "cooling" our heads, bru, you're wanting us to inflate them. Another thing of Matarr to me is, that that sort of thing is --and should be-- frowned upon, and to be called out harshly when it happens for reasons that should go without saying.

And a slaver hound is not a Yetamo.

Even fifth generation matari do not except your rule,

you are required to drug them out of their minds, you claim divinity but are nothing but raping slavers.

Worst is you even try to deny it to yourselves. Self induced dellusions of moral righteousness,

At the end of the line you are drugging my relatives, raping them systematically and working them to death.

An empire build on blood and torture.

We of Ushra'khan will do what we can to stop you no matter what it takes.

To many we are terrorists, but all we do, we do for our people. Our people.

The blood of Matari children covers the hands of the amarr, diplomacy hasnt worked,

CONCORD has already chosen their side,

our republic is weak but without violence we would not even have that.

We have a moral obligation to fight untill every Matari has been freed and not to get lazy or complacent with our freedom or we would lose it again.

Just take the race traitor Saede as an example,

we realize that the laws in eve are broken, but the Angels crossed all borders when they started selling their own people for profit. I killed one of your own recently at the raid of a minmatar outpost. Realize that I will not hasitate to kill you if I run into you while are plying your trade.

As to what it means to be Matari, that is different for everyone.

That feeling you get when you look at your child. The elder who smacks you on the head for being a putz, immortal or not. The people who will share their food with you regardless of whether they have enough. The tribesman you run in to on the far edge of space and who you end up drinking with the whole night and who doesnt stab you in the back after you passout. The brother who flies next to you and who responds to your call for help in the dead cold of space.

Doing any thing we can to liberate our tribes is not something we consiously decided, it is but second nature.

We wouldn't have it any other way, to give up is to stop being.

The blood i do not relish but comes with the territory. Unlike the Amarr I would never torture the children I kill, but I regret every one of them, who have fallen to the khumaak.

If it wasnt for the selfrighteous of those who claim an empty faith

You don't seem to be permanently maintaining a state of vexation. I'm disappointed.

I agree. Any excuse for violence against someone not from the same genome group is indeed second nature to the Minmatar.




Agreed. Peace is poison to the Minmatar.




Hanzo is laughing again. He says "Torture? Grandson would agree about homework."




Self-righteous? Kettle. Pot. Black.

Empty faith? Come back when you actually have a faith to be called empty.

The worst of the vitoxin poster children - the serial killers, the rapists, the mass murderers, the brutal thugs, the just plain psychotic...

At least we recgonize criminals for what they are. You worship them.

So what do you want it to mean to be minmatar?

Yes, I would like to see the Minmatar people flurish as part of the Empire. However service to yourself as you believe is not soaring to the heavens, its diving into hell.

Yes, I would like to see the Minmatar people flurish as part of the Empire. However service to yourself as you believe is not soaring to the heavens, its diving into hell.

To be Minmatar, one should have the right to believe in what they wish ... Their freedom in choice would make them stronger, and become closer to family and friends. And to support each other in times of hardship.

Flourish? By being "allowed", after nine generations of hard bondage, to become second-class citizens who still service their "betters" the so-called True Amarr? That hardly qualifies as flourishing by any definition of the word that I'm familiar with.

Oh woe is me. I am so destitute and oppressed.