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Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
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Posted - 2012.10.12 13:59:00 -
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Lyskal Oskold wrote:This thread is going places.
Don't hate the player, hate the game... But most of your problems are to do with players... Which means hate the- *explodes* But the game made us this way!
Only Hello Kitty Online can save us now! |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
1328
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:02:00 -
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Check check,
Ok everybody X up if you're going to place bounty on Taranius Consolblahblas's head
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
1328
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:02:00 -
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Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Robert De'Arneth
107
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:05:00 -
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Roime wrote:Check check,
Ok everybody X up if you're going to place bounty on Taranius Consolblahblas's head
I offer up 4 ISK for his bounty!!
You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1806
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Posted - 2012.10.12 16:35:00 -
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So let's see, boilerplate insults...
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Before anyone starts trolling and calling me a kid, im a married man i play eve for maybe 3-5 hours a night and 5-6 hours a day on the weekend, i am not a hardcore geek nor do i have no life, so you can drop the insults. I have 4 accounts and i play all aspects of this game. Also before i go ahead, i am dyslexic so the grammar will be, not so good in places.
You play more Eve than I do, and I have no life. You are a hardcore geek, have no life, and are a kid for even trying to wave this in people's face. Also I strongly doubt you have played "all" aspects of Eve.
So, on to your points:
Null Sec is broken and empty. It is, but as people have pointed out, it's also because of there being little incentive to actually make money there as opposed to farming empire space. On top of that, there is no good way for new groups to get involved other than joining a giant pre-existing bloc.
Missions [...] only net me about 50mil a night in bounties and 25mil in loot in my t2 fit mega. Try another ship. Also, missions are pretty well balanced as far as ISK-making goes... at least, compared to the stupid-broken other stuff going on. If you want giant amounts of ISK, go do something else.
Eve PvE is a means to an end, not an end in and of itself, unless your chosen end is boring yourself to tears.
Mining - What's the point? Mining ships typically do not have points.
Eve PvE is a means to an end, not an end in and of itself, unless your chosen end is boring yourself to tears.
FW. As the CEO of a FW corp, I feel I should address this point by point.
- Most FW corps require ten mil sp minimum. Most bad corps require stuff like that. There are plenty that do not, and I'm curious how you missed them.
- FW *alliance* chat [...] is just a bunch of people trolling each other. It is a hive of scum and villainy. I'd say "join a real corp" but you seem to be bad at finding one.
- 4 dessies vs 1 Merlin. Those were the most poorly flown dessies in the history of forever.
- 'if u dont have billions, oh dear?' I don't see your point. Even properly flown T1 crapships can do a lot (check my corp's KB). I suggest a small dose of STFU+HTFU, and prescribe you some L2P.
Low Sec pvp/mining I suggest a small dose of STFU+HTFU, and prescribe you some L2P. My corp bases out of lowsec, and I don't see any of the problems you describe.
PVP - lol atm, plain lol, solo pvp? ha, small gang pvp before u get blobbed ten seconds after hitting sov space? haha. No effin point, fw pvp? lol unless u have a decent corp, with a player decline? lol. grief corps? whats the point, costs to much to war dec corps.
- Solo PvP is hard -- turns out that being solo in a multiplayer game puts you at a disadvantage. Who would have thought?
- FW PvP is there and pretty sweet. Will only get better with Retribution.
- Grief corps -- you're missing the point of them.
- You omitted all other kinds of PvP. Good job.
bounty system whine. Read over the devblog again. You can only be "made a target at will" if you got criminal aggression on a particular person, and that person decides to get back at you.
Quote:So there it is, a players perspective on ur game as he has played, no *false ideas*, i have played ALL aspects of eve, why am i still here? mainly cause my accounts are all paid for another 8 months, but after that? Unless the player base picks up, i will be going. EvE is slowly disintegrating, u need to sort it out.
So here it is: you are a naive ass with an inferiority complex who feels he needs to justify himself to be "grown up", with serious delusions about having experienced all aspects of Eve (having issues with 10m SP limits is a dead giveaway), really bad at English, and just overall made of terrible. I would recommend re-evaluating why you're even playing this game, and if you decide you want to play, use a single account and delve into the content more substantially.
You are also probably a troll.
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
233
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Posted - 2012.10.12 16:57:00 -
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Quote:
hey kids, don't call me kid
Was there more in your OP? |
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ISD Praetoxx
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
340
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Posted - 2012.10.12 18:11:00 -
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Caution, cleaning in progress. Floor may be slippery.
Thread locked temporarily.
ISD Praetoxx
Ensign
Community Communication Liasons (CCLs)
Interstellar Service Department |
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octahexx Charante
Morior Invictus.
Ethereal Dawn
17
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Posted - 2012.10.12 21:24:00 -
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Instead of trolling you im gonna be constructive here.
You havent found the right corp/alliance/people.
Its the social part that makes or breaks eve no the grinding....everything in eve is grinding more or less..its the people who makes it possible to tolerate. |
III ZiggyBang
One Point 0
5
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Posted - 2012.10.12 22:03:00 -
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endorsing this product & or service.
edit; naughty school children will be treated as such, offensive/colourful language removed, I decide what is allowed at all times, I am GOD, you are underlings Muahahahaha. ISD Type40. |
III ZiggyBang
One Point 0
5
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Posted - 2012.10.12 22:07:00 -
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ISD Praetoxx wrote:Mind your step. Floor has been polished. If you accidentally your knee and attempt to file a lawsuit ... I will just skip the advert you star in.
On a serious note, I have cleaned the thread of all non-relevant posts/content. Please try stay on topic and post constructive replies.
I know it is difficult, but remember that we all had to start somewhere.
Also, I won EVE.
- ISD Praetoxx
In other news, control freaks find a healthy outlet for their fascist tendencies on the EvE Online forums, where they serial censor the ideas & thoughts of paying customers they don't agree with. |
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
647
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Posted - 2012.10.12 22:14:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:Null Sec - Mostly empty unless u are within a 5 jump range of alliance hub. I have personally led roams around null sec and low sec and have seen empty system after empty system, why? Because most pvp corps are in empire because it is to easy to hold sov, this needs to change. Null Sec is broken and instead of fixing it, u want to bring fancy new ships out and bugger high sec even more.
I agree... nullsec has some major problems at the moment... Sov Mechanics are extremely Coallition Oriented, and unless its under the protection of some big entity, a small entity has NO CHANCE at taking and holding sov....
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
FW - This is an absolute joke, most FW corps require ten mil sp minimum and the FW *alliance* chat as it were, is just a bunch of people trolling each other because there is no one there to moderate it. The plexes are a joke, frig/dessy plexes, a dude goes in a merlin, full faction fit, we send in 4 dessys to take him out, what does he do? Annihilates us with ease, farms his plex and moves on, if u dont have billions, oh dear?
You need to stop sucking and learn to PvP.... FW is cheesy... as it rewards orbiting a button and running away rather than actual PvP... Also, Offgrid boosters are a MAJOR problem there.....
Taranius De Consolville wrote:PVP - lol atm, plain lol, solo pvp? ha, small gang pvp before u get blobbed ten seconds after hitting sov space? haha. No effin point, fw pvp? lol unless u have a decent corp, with a player decline? lol. grief corps? whats the point, costs to much to war dec corps.
There's good PvP to be had... although most of it seems to be in the FW arena at the moment...
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
bounty system - are i frickin kiddings me? able to make anyone a target at a whim? im gonna laugh as people quit the game in droves because they are not safe anywhere at all. this system, will be the death blow of eve, i really think it will, it will bring more pvpers out of null and low sec, it will make empire a completely pvp based area as sumone annoys u by sitting on a gate? bounty them? sumone mines your roid? bounty them? sumone bumps u on a station? bounty them, well done ccp, well done
Even if all of eve gains a 1b isk bounty on them tomorrow.... what will this really stop you from doing?? How will this really hurt the game?? It wont... it will just encourage more pewpew.... And have a bounty... get in a ship and go lose it to shed your bounty... I bet you can have fun doing it!
When your accounts expire... can I have your stuff??? |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2717
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Posted - 2012.10.12 22:36:00 -
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III ZiggyBang wrote:ISD Praetoxx wrote:Mind your step. Floor has been polished. If you accidentally your knee and attempt to file a lawsuit ... I will just skip the advert you star in.
On a serious note, I have cleaned the thread of all non-relevant posts/content. Please try stay on topic and post constructive replies.
I know it is difficult, but remember that we all had to start somewhere.
Also, I won EVE.
- ISD Praetoxx In other news, control freaks find a healthy outlet for their fascist tendencies on the EvE Online forums, where they serial censor the ideas & thoughts of paying customers they don't agree with.
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Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2012.10.12 23:34:00 -
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Bittervet is bitter. That's what the OP sounds to me.
Everyone who's playing EVE intense for a couple of years should understand what kind of game you are playing and how such a game works. EVE is MMORP(S)G. I repeat in full words: Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplay (Sandbox) Game. What does this mean? Well. Very simple. That it's highly dynamic, controlled by thousands of players playing it differently and due to it's social and economical concept very close - sometimes too close - to RL. You have to work to earn ISK to buy stuff to stay alive in the game. CCP defined rules and mechanics and they have to deal with the influence and feedback of the community. Some mechanics might be broken and need to be fixed. Sure. But in all of my 8 years I am playing EVE I never found anything in the game what made me such frustrated to start a big crybaby thread on the forums. I agree to some issues the OP mentioned but there's nothing I am not able to deal with. EVE needs patience in any case. If you are looking for a game you can master on your terms, EVE is the wrong place. People are still complaining about broken mechanics, blobs, imbalance, 24/7 hardcore nerds without a RL, ECM, ECM, ECM, no solo PvP anymore... the list is endless. Those people are just too lazy or not able to adapt and change. They want things work the simple way like a straight forward linear run in a Arcade game what you can master by finding the walkthrough pattern. EVE is not working like that and I am still surprised hat especially the old players still don't get it what type of game they are playing and why there's always a bigger fleet. CCP can't solve that for us. It's up to us to solve it. If you can't play in a group, if you can't afford to play expensive, if you don't have the better skills... don't complain at those ones who fly in a group, fly in expensive ships and beat you becaue they have the better skills or know how to master the grid. You get blobbed but you wanted that 1v1 so bad? Wrong game, mate. It's a MMORPG. And not a 2003 with a few thousands online only anymore. Deal with it. Period. You are annoyed by this afk cloaker? Learn to live with it and don't cry for probes finding a cloaky. In RL noone is fixing the problems for you. You might get support or help by others but finally you have to fix them. Just saying.
I had a blast in EVE so far. Null, w-space, low, a bit high, FW... I have faced a lot of fun and ****. I have an intense RL with wife, kids and friends. I have time to play EVE. Limited time. So I just focused on PvP with two accounts and sub-alts for asset- and cyno-logistics - what boosts the chance to survive on a fair level: not scared to engage small groups, flying through low and null easily, winning much, losing less - and I do not stress myself out by running EVE on 4+ accounts trying to make ISK to feed my PvP hunger. Spending my time in RL to make EUROS is hard enough. So I simply don't care about bearing and convert GTC into PLEX. ISK problem solved. If I have time some day to collect all my loot I have left behind or just sell my loot I move with my carrier all the time. i would have around 30 bil more. But I doubt that this will ever happen. I even have two years old officer stuff hard to sell on my terms. So what.
There's nothing broke in EVE what ruins my fun. If the new bounty system will drop massive bounty on me or someone is selling the killrights to someone who thinks he can kill me. I can't wait for the good fights. If CCP brings something new: I will adapt or ignore. I learned to survive in this game and I know how and when to PvP. I take the risk. I love the thrill. I still think that this game is the best game ever. Because it's different, a real adventure with a never ending challange.
And last but not least I made over 4 billion at tier 5 cashout just by FW-PvP the last 3 months. Should I really complain?
No. Good hunting. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
844
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Posted - 2012.10.13 00:01:00 -
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Confirming the OP has played all aspects of this game including wormholes, incursions, trading, manufacturing, research and ship spinning. If only he could report on how awful those aspects are.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
74
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Posted - 2012.10.13 02:21:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Some good points OP I agree with.
Now that you have your list of grievances, how about some proposed fixs? Anyone can complain all day, the people who care will offer fixs.
You / we / ccp - cant fix eve. thats why they are doing different game its called DUST. I think that CCP knows that eve is dying, they have all data about players.
So yeah.. |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2012.10.13 04:00:00 -
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Renton Brax wrote:
Also, a married man who plays that much can be considered a hardcore gamer, fair?
Or married more than 10 years.
I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts.
I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner.
I blamed me for bothering.
I made more money.......... mining.
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Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation
Black Core Alliance
133
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Posted - 2012.10.13 04:58:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:Hi
Before anyone starts trolling and calling me a kid, im a married man i play eve for maybe 3-5 hours a night and 5-6 hours a day on the weekend, i am not a hardcore geek nor do i have no life, so you can drop the insults. I have 4 accounts and i play all aspects of this game. Also before i go ahead, i am dyslexic so the grammar will be, not so good in places.
That's 25 to 37 hours a week.
Assuming 7 hours of sleep a night, that's 21-31% of your waking hours per week.
A casual gamer you are not (it just seems you're trying hard to come across as a casual player).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
Tragedy
The Creepshow
42
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Posted - 2012.10.13 06:34:00 -
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You play for 3-5 hours a night and say you have a life? ....Do you work for 3 hours a day? |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.10.13 12:25:00 -
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Loving the heteronormative comments assuming that because he's a man he has to be the breadwinner of the family. Perhaps his wife/husband works 10 to 12 hours days, allowing him to stay home and raise the kids (a work-at-home-dad) and play some EVE when the kids are asleep.
It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways:
He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
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Arduemont
Lords 0f Justice
Fidelas Constans
344
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Posted - 2012.10.13 12:50:00 -
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To cover all your points;
- Nullsec is not empty, trust me, I live there.
- I used to earn 100m per day running missions in a Rattlesnake. You can earn more in a Golum or a Tengu.
- The new Mack is an improvement on the old Hulk for solo mining, don't whine, that's actually an improvement.
( - Also, making ISK afk should be slower than other methods, end of. Sell the minerals smartly and you'll get significantly more than 5m per load.)
- Never tried FW, but everyone I know and play with says its fantastic. So your outvoted apparently.
- Lowsec wasted? Agreed in most part.
- Your doing PvP wrong, if your getting blobbed its because you don't know what your doing.
- You've misunderstood the bounty system. I can't possible correct all your stupidity in on point.
Eve is not dying, subs go up every year like clockwork. Most of this is just based on a false assumption, do some damn research. I think somewhere in this thread someone said he was just a bitter vet... He is not a vet. |
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Generals4
1532
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:39:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:Hi
FW - This is an absolute joke, most FW corps require ten mil sp minimum and the FW *alliance* chat as it were, is just a bunch of people trolling each other because there is no one there to moderate it. The plexes are a joke, frig/dessy plexes, a dude goes in a merlin, full faction fit, we send in 4 dessys to take him out, what does he do? Annihilates us with ease, farms his plex and moves on, if u dont have billions, oh dear?
Tell me how is it FW's fault for you and your buddies to suck so hard you lose 4 dessies against a merlin? I don't care how well his merlin is fitted but if you lose 4 dessies against a merlin you're the one absolutely doing it wrong.
-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
212
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Posted - 2012.10.13 17:23:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:Andski wrote:Nanatoa wrote:Taranius De Consolville wrote: Ditch one or two hardeners for tracking enhancers You're looking at the tip of the iceberg that is that trainwreck of a fit. I'm going for the low-hanging fruit here
Actually you are griefing his post.
The fit is a good mission fit.
Disconnect is the biggest ship killer in missions. That ship might still be there when you log back in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
Skaz
Skazmanian Industries
24
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Posted - 2012.10.13 17:28:00 -
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Agree with most of OPs points, or at least the gist of it and the spirit of the argument. Although I feel points being left out and professions being forgotten, like manufacturing?
And I'm not of the opinion that EVE is broken or dying, just getting mature. |
Xorth Adimus
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
20
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Posted - 2012.10.14 11:55:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:Hi
So CCP, this is how your game stands at the moment.
Taranius
I have also been in this game a long time and done a bit of everything.
Null Sec - Agree sov needs to be activity based, empty space is boring.. Disagree pvp corps are in high sec. Don't see straight up fights nor skirmishes just a couple of guys picking on people who generally are incapable of fighting. I don't call this PVP, PVP is challanging and open and I got out of highsec 'PVP' a long time ago because of this. In 0.0 were you live and who you fly with makes the experience 100% different.
Missions - Agree missions are now crap, a long time ago some missions where so hard and so rewarding they required teamwork of 2-4 people, now? its a boring grind themepark and doesn't support team play and has no risk or reward.
Mining - Mining in an organised group is very profitable and many people like it boring (why.. I have never figured out), other people like to pick on them, nice fields and farms. It needs more challenge however for more risk in exploration sites so people have a reason to bring miners orcas exploration logistics and combat ships all supporting each other. It could be awesome if content is added (ie not boring).
FW - Depends who you do it with. Just like 0.0 you fly with morons expect moronic gameplay. FW was poorly conceived and implimented by CCP but at the core is a good feature that just needs some work and balance and requires teamwork to do.
Low Sec pvp/mining - Depends who you do it with. Just like 0.0 you fly with morons expect moronic gameplay. Low sec needs more work and CCP are doing some stuff right now that may make it better or worse. I would like to see pirate content along the lines of FW where you can join pirate factions or concord militia and mix it up. Low sec is ok it just needs more reward for the risk to populate it.
PVP - 'unless you have a decent corp' - you hit the nail on the head I think the issue is you in the end. You could play eve and find it utterly terrible if you never meet the right bunch of people, just like in life. Solo PVP is still possible in a fast high DPS ship, generally the use of an 2nd account scout / recon pilot makes it very hard to be killed unless you do something truly stupid.
Bounty system - Pretty sure you can only shoot people that have been greifing people and someone has kill rights on them and stuck a bounty on them. On paper it may work but I can see this being poorly done by CCP. The whole right click pay for instant kill is potentially flawed, however you know if someone has killrights and PVPs in high sec shouldn't be too worried about having to PVP anytime they are undocked as if they where in 0.0 right? Right? lol the tears of high sec 'pvper' are so so sweet!
Eve is not disintegrating it is constantly changing, keep up or fall off.. but find someone decent to fly with and learn how to play.
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Michael1995
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
37
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Posted - 2012.10.14 12:05:00 -
[85] - Quote
I see you missed out on Wormholes, maybe you should spend your last 8 months trying them out.
Also, for solo/small gang pvp, I hear FW can be good for that.
One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
814
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Posted - 2012.10.14 12:11:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:Missions in a megathron? 
You clearly have no idea how much you're trolling yourself here, but you gave me a nice smile reading your tiny post. 
brb |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2012.10.14 12:36:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Disconnect is the biggest ship killer in missions. That ship might still be there when you log back in.
Typical reaction from a carebear. Going for safety in a once-a-year event by lowering your efficiency all year long.
It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways:
He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |
Arduemont
Lords 0f Justice
Fidelas Constans
362
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Posted - 2012.10.14 13:53:00 -
[88] - Quote
Is this topic really still going?
Why? |
qDoctor Strangelove
TaskF0rce
Executive Vice Empire
42
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Posted - 2012.10.14 14:20:00 -
[89] - Quote
So, numbers are theown around here.
How do you make 250 million doing level 5 missions for 5 hours? ( that is 50 mill an hour... )
How do you make half a billion doing NULL sec ratting?
I claim bullshit on both these claims |
Taranius De Consolville
Curse Of The Chosen
243
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Posted - 2012.10.14 15:00:00 -
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qDoctor Strangelove wrote:So, numbers are theown around here.
How do you make 250 million doing level 5 missions for 5 hours? ( that is 50 mill an hour... )
How do you make half a billion doing NULL sec ratting?
I claim bullshit on both these claims
ofc it is, but u only have to read the replies to see what kinda player base this game really has
in eve u have two options
Become an elistis pvp prick
or quit
because everything else gets nerfed like hell by pvp alt complaining because they fuxed there own game up by murdering empire players non stop, now they cant stop, so new players dont have a chance, quit and no new players come up.
rise in subscriptions? No, rise in alt accounts |
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