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Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
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Posted - 2012.10.12 13:30:00 -
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I own a siege missile launcher II....erm...torpedo launcher II BPO. The profit margin and production speed on building torp II's is so low that I think I've only built something like 200 in the last two years. It's just not worth the hassle since invention came out.
So no, I don't think T2 BPOs should be removed. Personally, my torp II BPO is more of a collectors item these days than anything else, and I rather like having it. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1788
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Posted - 2012.10.12 13:30:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I have a better idea. Introduce T3 modules and munitions. Don't make BPO's for them.
Solved that problem quick...
This sounds like an excellent idea. I like this guy. He is smart.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9867
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Posted - 2012.10.12 13:43:00 -
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F'elch wrote:I don't think you will get what you expect, sorry for you. So there is no conceivable reason why T2 BPOs should be remove then, since that's what I expected to get.
Well too bad. Like I said: you were going to need a bit of luck on that one and obviously it didn't pan out.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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highonpop
Eve Liberation Force
Fatal Ascension
366
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Posted - 2012.10.12 13:46:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Is it fair to new players who have joined the game after the lottery.
Is EVE a fair game?
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R.I.P Vile Rat
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
186
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Posted - 2012.10.12 13:47:00 -
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No, don't remove T2 BPOs...
Boost Invention! |
F'elch
Wall Street Trading
20
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Posted - 2012.10.12 13:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:F'elch wrote:I don't think you will get what you expect, sorry for you. So there is no conceivable reason why T2 BPOs should be remove then, since that's what I expected to get. Well too bad. Like I said: you were going to need a bit of luck on that one and obviously it didn't pan out.
I didn't even read the link because I do not recognise your authority on this subject. Nor an any other, for that matter. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9867
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Posted - 2012.10.12 13:52:00 -
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F'elch wrote:I didn't even read the link That's your problem and the reason why you fail to come up with the slightest shred of an argument to support your position.
But I'll level with you: I did get what I expected. Pretty much exactly and completely so.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
Intrepid Crossing
399
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Posted - 2012.10.12 13:55:00 -
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F'elch wrote:Everyone defending T2 BPO has one, otherwise you would want to get rid of them too.
Making sweeping generalizations like this is a sure sign that your argument is nothing more than rat excrement. It only takes one counterexample to show that it's wrong, and then you're left there looking like a git.
I don't have a Tech II BPO, nor do I feel they need to be removed from the game. If you're convinced they are so much better, buy one or two and print your own isk for a while.
Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
F'elch
Wall Street Trading
20
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Posted - 2012.10.12 14:02:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:F'elch wrote:Everyone defending T2 BPO has one, otherwise you would want to get rid of them too. Making sweeping generalizations like this is a sure sign that your argument is nothing more than rat excrement. It only takes one counterexample to show that it's wrong, and then you're left there looking like a git. I don't have a Tech II BPO, nor do I feel they need to be removed from the game. If you're convinced they are so much better, buy one or two and print your own isk for a while.
Name-calling, on the other hand, is some pretty high-level debating. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
Intrepid Crossing
399
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Posted - 2012.10.12 14:06:00 -
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F'elch wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:F'elch wrote:Everyone defending T2 BPO has one, otherwise you would want to get rid of them too. Making sweeping generalizations like this is a sure sign that your argument is nothing more than rat excrement. It only takes one counterexample to show that it's wrong, and then you're left there looking like a git. I don't have a Tech II BPO, nor do I feel they need to be removed from the game. If you're convinced they are so much better, buy one or two and print your own isk for a while. Name-calling, on the other hand, is some pretty high-level debating.
Actually, my good man, I never called you anything. I said your argument style could potentially result in you looking foolish (as in, like a git). I did not, however, call you a git, nor did I heap any other ad hominem attacks upon you.
tl;dr: l2readingcomprehension
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F'elch
Wall Street Trading
20
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Posted - 2012.10.12 14:10:00 -
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Well, I'm this close to quitting right now. With the inflating costs of PLEX and ships and the unfairness that has gone on for so many years with the T2 BPOs and CCP favourites, probably in your pockets. Maybe it is time to say goodbye to Eve. Sorry it comes to this because I have invested a lot of time in this game to be put out now. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
920
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Posted - 2012.10.12 14:20:00 -
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Good, get out.
Why did you take my wings away? |
RaTTuS
BIG
Everywhere - Everything
217
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Posted - 2012.10.12 14:30:00 -
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eve is fair ?
since when?
if you're this close contract me all your stuff before you hit the big button ...
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William Sedgwick Vyvorant
Why Mine
0
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Posted - 2012.10.12 14:38:00 -
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I'll be honest I've only been playing for a few months and one thing I've learned is EVE isn't a fair and balanced game, just like life, there are haves and have not, to me iot sounds like the OP is just trolling as I can't see how its a license to print money, run the numbers and you'll see its not.
Personally I'm just getting into invention, mainly for T2 frigates, but I hold no grudge against anyone who happens to have a T2 BPO, why? Because those that have them have either invested significant time and/or money to get them so why not let them have them, who are any of us to say that its highly unfair? I guess the test would be if a T2 BPO you really wanted went on sale, would you buy it or refuse to do so on principle? |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
Intrepid Crossing
399
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Posted - 2012.10.12 14:43:00 -
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F'elch wrote:Well, I'm this close to quitting right now. With the inflating costs of PLEX and ships and the unfairness that has gone on for so many years with the T2 BPOs and CCP favourites, probably in your pockets. Maybe it is time to say goodbye to Eve. Sorry it comes to this because I have invested a lot of time in this game to be put out now.
I will now refer you to my forum signature.
Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Tragedy
The Creepshow
41
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Posted - 2012.10.12 14:51:00 -
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F'elch wrote:RaTTuS wrote:S'Way wrote:This topic comes up every few weeks / months, was wondering when it would appear again.
Most T2 BPO's aren't even in the hands of the original owners anymore, anyone buying one now will take a very long time (years) to re-coup that outlay and start making a decent profit.
Removing them now is kind of pointless, those who got them from the BP lottery era have probably cashed in by selling them on. The majority of owners now have thrown a few billion into one, good luck to them - should CCP see fit to introduce new modules, that costly BPO could be rendered almost worthless. (and if that happens before the break-even time for the holder, they'll actually take a loss overall).
Do they give an advantage over invention ? sure. Are they game breaking ? no.
Even with a T2 BPO sat copying 24/7 you can't supply the markets full demand for items, there's plenty of room for inventors to still make a good income if they know what they're doing. they take longer to copy than to build - it's always been the case invention is far more profitable run the figures t2 BPo is just easier on the clicking Yeah and it never fails, unlike invention. And the supply is unlimited. Everyone defending T2 BPO has one, otherwise you would want to get rid of them too. If we all speak out CCP will have to listen as it is only the few who have these items.
I don't have one. I think they should stay. Quit your whining. |
Opertone
Aurora Empire
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
128
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Posted - 2012.10.12 14:58:00 -
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instead make t2 BPOs worthless - keep items in game, but make production impossible under current free licensing laws.
"Gallente Feds hate unfair markets and restrict production under BPO exclusive rights to patented invention"
Even better, make BPO t2 so widely available and exchangeable for datacores - it will sure hurt everyone except the buyers. |
F'elch
Wall Street Trading
20
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:05:00 -
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Opertone wrote:instead make t2 BPOs worthless - keep items in game, but make production impossible under current free licensing laws.
"Gallente Feds hate unfair markets and restrict production under BPO exclusive rights to patented invention"
Even better, make BPO t2 so widely available and exchangeable for datacores - it will sure hurt everyone except the buyers.
Someone who gets it. |
Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
181
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:08:00 -
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F'elch wrote:Tippia wrote:So, you have a good set of rebuttals to Akita T's points about T2 BPOs, presumably? ^^^ T2 BPO owner spotted. ^^^
Politics of envy spotted.
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Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.10.12 16:34:00 -
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Came expecting evidence as to why T2 BPOs should be removed.
Left disappointed. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1454
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Posted - 2012.10.12 16:38:00 -
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Why is it always market dudes and isklords that want T2 BPO's removed? 
primary target is broadcasted, put all drones on the warp disruption battery. If you are in a frigate you should be at the gate, who blew up? |
Jhan Niber
Big Johnson's
11
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Posted - 2012.10.12 16:38:00 -
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Sounds like a poor person that is just unhappy that they aren't as rich as a small group of people and doesn't like that populations follow a bell curve. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa
Stark Enterprises
1721
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Posted - 2012.10.12 16:40:00 -
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Op is bitter for not being as rich and leet as the rest of us.
The street corner is that way ->
Take your idea with you.
Eve is about Capital ships, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.10.12 16:43:00 -
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Well no new ones are getting in, you could simply destroy the bastards stupid enough to haul the rest.
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"How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior.
"You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |
Suitonia
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
111
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Posted - 2012.10.12 16:46:00 -
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I doubt Tech II Blueprints have much bearing on Inventor profits anyway. Look at the margins on Heavy Interdictors, there is nothing there and in a lot of cases you will make a loss unless you build from higher ME blueprints (which cost more to begin with), building a Phobos from the BPs currently on contracts will result in a NET LOSS. Surely there should be massive profits to be had without a T2BPO pinning those inventors down!.
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger
Ev0ke
370
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Posted - 2012.10.12 16:48:00 -
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i kinda want to make a new way to make T2 BPOs to be a task that is so overwhelming that only the really big player corporations can make it happen.
slowly devaluateing the value of the existing T2 BPOs by introducing new ones to the economy |
Callic Veratar
Power of the Phoenix
255
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Posted - 2012.10.12 16:59:00 -
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The burden of proof is on you to show how they are unfair, and not on CCP or the player base to defend T2 BPO existence. If you really hate them that much, they are sold on the contract market. Save your pennies, buy them, and trash them. |
Spaceman Jack
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.10.12 17:08:00 -
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F'elch wrote:It is about time this unfair advantage was removed from the game. You've done well, you've had your profit. Now they should be removed. Give the owners some datacores or something instead.
I guess someone is voting for Obama |
Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
82
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Posted - 2012.10.12 17:18:00 -
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Wrayeth wrote:I own a siege missile launcher II....erm...torpedo launcher II BPO. The profit margin and production speed on building torp II's is so low that I think I've only built something like 200 in the last two years. It's just not worth the hassle since invention came out.
So no, I don't think T2 BPOs should be removed. Personally, my torp II BPO is more of a collectors item these days than anything else, and I rather like having it.
So let me get this straight the T2 Torp BPO isnt making you the iskies you like so why would you be upset if you lost it? What if CCP just gave you a certificate saying you were once the proud owner of a T2BPO.......
Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
82
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Posted - 2012.10.12 17:19:00 -
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Spaceman Jack wrote:F'elch wrote:It is about time this unfair advantage was removed from the game. You've done well, you've had your profit. Now they should be removed. Give the owners some datacores or something instead. I guess someone is voting for Obama. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The only way for you to know if having a T2 BPO was an advantage is if you had the experience of owning one and comparing the difference. Considering your sour grapes, I doubt this is the case. I know a few people with T2 BPOs, myself included who have actually SOLD them because the margins are so low now. You know who bought them... collectors.
See above post.
Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
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