So, you have a good set of rebuttals to Akita T's points about T2 BPOs, presumably?

Akita Who?

So, you have a good set of rebuttals to Akita T's points about T2 BPOs, presumably?

^^^ T2 BPO owner spotted. ^^^

This topic comes up every few weeks / months, was wondering when it would appear again.

Most T2 BPO's aren't even in the hands of the original owners anymore, anyone buying one now will take a very long time (years) to re-coup that outlay and start making a decent profit.
Removing them now is kind of pointless, those who got them from the BP lottery era have probably cashed in by selling them on. The majority of owners now have thrown a few billion into one, good luck to them - should CCP see fit to introduce new modules, that costly BPO could be rendered almost worthless. (and if that happens before the break-even time for the holder, they'll actually take a loss overall).

Do they give an advantage over invention ? sure. Are they game breaking ? no.
Even with a T2 BPO sat copying 24/7 you can't supply the markets full demand for items, there's plenty of room for inventors to still make a good income if they know what they're doing.

they take longer to copy than to build - it's always been the case
invention is far more profitable
run the figures
t2 BPo is just easier on the clicking

they take longer to copy than to build - it's always been the case
invention is far more profitable
run the figures
t2 BPo is just easier on the clicking

How bout CCP removes your assets than we revisit this idea at a later date.

Is it fair to new players who have joined the game after the lottery.

It is about time this unfair advantage was removed from the game. You've done well, you've had your profit. Now they should be removed. Give the owners some datacores or something instead.

^^^ T2 BPC owner spotted. ^^^

Everyone defending T2 BPO has one, otherwise you would want to get rid of them too.

Hi everyone,

I've cleaned up this thread a little bit - please stay on topic!

Thanks and fly safe.

^^^ Person without any resemblance of an argument for his case spotted. ^^^

Also, FYP.

No. Everyone defending them have done the maths and realised that there is no need and no reason to get rid of them. In fact, as weak an argument as it might be, keeping them around as memorabilia is a far stronger argument than any that exist for their removal.

No, my mine BPOs are memorabilia. My snowball launchers are memorabilia. A T2 BPO is a license to print money.

Funnily enough, mine BPOs and snowball launchers are easier to make money with than T2 BPOs, and the reason to get a T2 BPO these days is much the same as getting one of those items. They're pretty much the same.

Anyway, I expect an eight-point rebuttal and/or a three-point reasoning why T2 BPOs should be removed. Good luck. You're going to need it.

I think CCP should remove your assets and we should revisit this issue latter.

I have a better idea. Introduce T3 modules and munitions. Don't make BPO's for them.

Solved that problem quick...

I don't think you will get what you expect, sorry for you.

Is it fair to new players who have joined the game after the lottery.

So there is no conceivable reason why T2 BPOs should be remove then, since that's what I expected to get.

Well too bad. Like I said: you were going to need a bit of luck on that one and obviously it didn't pan out.

I didn't even read the link

Everyone defending T2 BPO has one, otherwise you would want to get rid of them too.

Making sweeping generalizations like this is a sure sign that your argument is nothing more than rat excrement. It only takes one counterexample to show that it's wrong, and then you're left there looking like a git.

I don't have a Tech II BPO, nor do I feel they need to be removed from the game. If you're convinced they are so much better, buy one or two and print your own isk for a while.

Name-calling, on the other hand, is some pretty high-level debating.

Well, I'm this close to quitting right now. With the inflating costs of PLEX and ships and the unfairness that has gone on for so many years with the T2 BPOs and CCP favourites, probably in your pockets. Maybe it is time to say goodbye to Eve. Sorry it comes to this because I have invested a lot of time in this game to be put out now.

Yeah and it never fails, unlike invention. And the supply is unlimited. Everyone defending T2 BPO has one, otherwise you would want to get rid of them too. If we all speak out CCP will have to listen as it is only the few who have these items.

instead make t2 BPOs worthless - keep items in game, but make production impossible under current free licensing laws.

"Gallente Feds hate unfair markets and restrict production under BPO exclusive rights to patented invention"

Even better, make BPO t2 so widely available and exchangeable for datacores - it will sure hurt everyone except the buyers.

^^^ T2 BPO owner spotted. ^^^

It is about time this unfair advantage was removed from the game. You've done well, you've had your profit. Now they should be removed. Give the owners some datacores or something instead.

I own a siege missile launcher II....erm...torpedo launcher II BPO. The profit margin and production speed on building torp II's is so low that I think I've only built something like 200 in the last two years. It's just not worth the hassle since invention came out.

So no, I don't think T2 BPOs should be removed. Personally, my torp II BPO is more of a collectors item these days than anything else, and I rather like having it.

I guess someone is voting for Obama.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The only way for you to know if having a T2 BPO was an advantage is if you had the experience of owning one and comparing the difference. Considering your sour grapes, I doubt this is the case.

I know a few people with T2 BPOs, myself included who have actually SOLD them because the margins are so low now.
You know who bought them... collectors.

slowly devaluateing the value of the existing T2 BPOs by introducing new ones to the economy

Everyone defending T2 BPO has one, otherwise you would want to get rid of them too. If we all speak out CCP will have to listen as it is only the few who have these items.

I'll have to check my item hangar, this is my lucky day!!

T2 BPO's are something that bugs me, because I don't own any, on any of my accounts.

Unlike you, however, instead of demanding CCP remove them so everyone has what you have (or don't have), I'm working towards buying one.

This is Eve. In Eve, some things take a long time to accomplish. Getting the isk to buy a T2 BPO is one of those things.


While you are at it, can you start a new AFK Cloaking whine thread too? Hasn't been one of those for a short while either.

Funny...I feel like I've seen this thread before
before before before before before before before *smack*
Sorry.
Seriously...just look up Akita T's responses to this issue.

Is it fair to new players who have joined the game after the lottery.

See my above post on self-important forum contributors.

they take longer to copy than to build - it's always been the case
invention is far more profitable
run the figures
t2 BPo is just easier on the clicking

Talking of sel-important forum contributors, I've just read three pages of this garbage and not once have you even attempted to explain why T2BPO's need removing, or why they are bad in any way at all.

It is about time this unfair advantage was removed from the game. You've done well, you've had your profit. Now they should be removed. Give the owners some datacores or something instead.

Please explain how investing the cost of a titan for one bpo that makes me 1.5 bill a month is such a huge unfair advantage that it makes it necessary to remove the t2 bpos. If they are so op why dont you just get one?

It is about time this unfair advantage was removed from the game. You've done well, you've had your profit. Now they should be removed. Give the owners some datacores or something instead.

It is about time this unfair advantage was removed from the game. You've done well, you've had your profit. Now they should be removed. Give the owners some datacores or something instead.

Well the fact that this thread has got to three pages shows that there is still interest in this subject and quite a few people are taking my line on this. Thanks to those who are willing to support an unpopular opinion. To those against the removal of T2 BPOs, your arguments that they are useless actually only helps to strengthen the argument that they should be removed.

And to those who seem to think their high post count and number of "likes" makes them some kind of authority (I'm looking at you, Tippia), I would say that your own inflated sense of importance and overconfidence in the so-called "right answer" blinkers you to the overall affect these items have on the game and the attitude of builders and traders as a whole.

"Remove T2 BPOs because I say so and everyone knows I am right lalalalalalalalalalalalala I am right"

ISD, please lock this thread.