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Smiknight
The Plebian Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.13 03:11:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:I know I'm not the first to say this stuff and it has been said before, but CCP has proven they listen to the group that whines the loudest. If I don't whine on the forums I'll never get the game I want.
If that were true, then the claim that carebears are ruining the game would be false. I am what you refer to as a Carebear...I care very much about the future New Eden and Eve and couldn't bear the Chicken Littles destroying that. |

Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2012.10.13 03:53:00 -
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Smiknight wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:I know I'm not the first to say this stuff and it has been said before, but CCP has proven they listen to the group that whines the loudest. If I don't whine on the forums I'll never get the game I want. If that were true, then the claim that carebears are ruining the game would be false. i saw what you did there  I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
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Alexa Coates
Red Fleet
200
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Posted - 2012.10.13 04:05:00 -
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LilRemmy wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP.
- Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape.
- Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship.
- Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter.
Yet another tough guy bitching that they might actually get killed in Eve. And they reckon carebears whine.  Instead of SOLO, bring a friend. Let him get primary, 50/50 - HALF the risk. In my experience, the l33t players are the once that cry the loudest when they die in EVE. Not the carebears. I can vouch for this, being a carebear myself. I'm welcoming the changes. It makes missions not mind-numbingly easy without being over the top dangerous, like incursions or sleeper sites. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1609
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Posted - 2012.10.13 04:10:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:OP fails to realize that people have been soloing WH sites for years
Op also fails to realise that people have been ganking people in wormhole sites for years even with a particularly nasty AI, the new NPC AI is a watered down version of sleeper AI, if people can PvP in wormhole sites they can damn well PvP in mission sites.
As for killing the ability of drone boats to solo missions, pay attention, fit ewar, RR your drones. If sleeper AI is anything to go by the NPCs will hate you for it and target you not your little helpers. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
7
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Posted - 2012.10.13 04:34:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:III ZiggyBang wrote:I'd like to respond to this thread but I'm worried that some patronizing ass of a moderator will edit my post. change it's meaning, and treat me like a juvenile who needs constant scrutiny & supervision to express himself. This only happens if you act like a juvenile who needs scrutiny & supervision to express himself.
Or if you insist on spewing racist nonsense, but those two surprisingly often overlap.
Regarding the OP: OH NOES! I can't pvp against people who don't want to pvp without risk anymore!  Kill your babies, sell your PLEX and give away your stuff! Quick! Before the sky falls! |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5133
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Posted - 2012.10.13 04:50:00 -
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Souxie Alduin wrote:baltec1 wrote:III ZiggyBang wrote:I'd like to respond to this thread but I'm worried that some patronizing ass of a moderator will edit my post. change it's meaning, and treat me like a juvenile who needs constant scrutiny & supervision to express himself. This only happens if you act like a juvenile who needs scrutiny & supervision to express himself. Or if you insist on spewing racist nonsense, but those two surprisingly often overlap. Regarding the OP: OH NOES! I can't pvp against people who don't want to pvp without risk anymore!  Kill your babies, sell your PLEX and give away your stuff! Quick! Before the sky falls!
this just in: "juvenile" is racist This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
fofofofofo |

Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
7
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Posted - 2012.10.13 05:48:00 -
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Andski wrote:Souxie Alduin wrote:baltec1 wrote:III ZiggyBang wrote:I'd like to respond to this thread but I'm worried that some patronizing ass of a moderator will edit my post. change it's meaning, and treat me like a juvenile who needs constant scrutiny & supervision to express himself. This only happens if you act like a juvenile who needs scrutiny & supervision to express himself. Or if you insist on spewing racist nonsense, but those two surprisingly often overlap. Regarding the OP: OH NOES! I can't pvp against people who don't want to pvp without risk anymore!  Kill your babies, sell your PLEX and give away your stuff! Quick! Before the sky falls! this just in: "juvenile" is racist
Um, no. But the bit(s) that got snipped by the mods were. Read faster. Oh, wait. You're a goon. Never mind. |

Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
233
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Posted - 2012.10.13 06:30:00 -
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So you're saying people will actually have to bring 2 logistics to run level 5's?
Eve is dieing. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1807
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Posted - 2012.10.13 07:22:00 -
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If the NPC AI is anything like sleepers, then some serious drone fu and missile fu can keep even a lowly BC alive - been soloing sleepers in class 1-3 that way.
But if they got just a little smarter, there will be trouble. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1333
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Posted - 2012.10.13 08:56:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:If the NPC AI is anything like sleepers, then some serious drone fu and missile fu can keep even a lowly BC alive - been soloing sleepers in class 1-3 that way.
But if they got just a little smarter, there will be trouble.
I know people don't normally read the dev blogs before posting on the forums about some changes, but here you go:
Quote:Q) Will NPC's kill my drones?
A) Yes, but they don't hate them nearly as much as sleepers. I ran 9 level 4 missions and lost 2 drones. It does mean you need to pay more attention though. We can adjust their hatred of drones though which is why we are asking for feedback when this hits a test server.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1609
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:50:00 -
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Roime wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:If the NPC AI is anything like sleepers, then some serious drone fu and missile fu can keep even a lowly BC alive - been soloing sleepers in class 1-3 that way.
But if they got just a little smarter, there will be trouble. I know people don't normally read the dev blogs before posting on the forums about some changes, but here you go: Quote:Q) Will NPC's kill my drones?
A) Yes, but they don't hate them nearly as much as sleepers. I ran 9 level 4 missions and lost 2 drones. It does mean you need to pay more attention though. We can adjust their hatred of drones though which is why we are asking for feedback when this hits a test server.
But that would get in the way of a good moan  Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1575
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:52:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Roime wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:If the NPC AI is anything like sleepers, then some serious drone fu and missile fu can keep even a lowly BC alive - been soloing sleepers in class 1-3 that way.
But if they got just a little smarter, there will be trouble. I know people don't normally read the dev blogs before posting on the forums about some changes, but here you go: Quote:Q) Will NPC's kill my drones?
A) Yes, but they don't hate them nearly as much as sleepers. I ran 9 level 4 missions and lost 2 drones. It does mean you need to pay more attention though. We can adjust their hatred of drones though which is why we are asking for feedback when this hits a test server. But that would get in the way of a good moan  Wonder what they'll do with the feedback... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
809
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:07:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
- It will only hurt level 5 mission runners and those who do 10/10 sites such as the infamous maze. Level 4 missions, belt ratting, sanctums, etc, will still be perfectly soloable by one man in a drake. Yes I solo sanctums in drakes, you mad bro?
- It will just make drones tedious in missions and nerf gallente missioning paradigms such as the famous sentry drone dominix.
Infamous Maze ran by a couple players with their alt already doing it in less than 30min. This is a good change, now it will need more alts or change those alts for more players. It's nice.
If you solo Sanctums in Drakes then it's time to get a stronger ship, no big deal, better AI it's cool because makes things more interesting.
Now about drones I tend to think the same thing, it will require more effort to keep them alive instead of dropping drones and go afk.
Quote:Without buffing the strength of the level 4 and belt rat NPCs significantly to the level of a miniature incursion, the target switching won't matter because it's one man in a drake still taking the same amount of incoming dps.
Yep but makes things more funny when someone, for example, gets a wrong direction and suddenly lands on your mission site. Now they will not have that much time to bother you with silly questions about where is system "x" and then make you a full speech of how their life is horrible and they feel alone etc etc. Instead of forcing you to kick them so you can go back to your tranquillity, now mobs to this for you. It's an incredible buff !! 
Quote:CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP.
- Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape.
- Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship.
- Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter.
For all the problems listed above there's already a simple solution: bring more friends
Quote:To me this seems like a nerf to solo pvp in hi, lo, and nullsec in one relatively small change. I really want to think this isn't some part of a larger plan to turn EVE into hello kitty online, and I want to have faith that EVE is still going to be a cold harsh universe, but these changes seem to contradict that.
Make mobs AI stronger so those mobs are harder is dumbing down the game and make it kitty online???? 
Really???
Let me give you a -5/10, you got me on this epic troll 
brb |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
180
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:10:00 -
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These changes only really effect the classic AFK-Droneboat, which i never really agreed with anyways.
The sleepers in WH space target hostile PvPers that come in for those running them, and they've adapted just fine and make tons of kills. I suggest you adapt as well.
Or you could whine on the forums about it. 
Would you like some cheese? |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1609
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:13:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:These changes only really effect the classic AFK-Droneboat, which i never really agreed with anyways. The sleepers in WH space target hostile PvPers that come in for those running them, and they've adapted just fine and make tons of kills. I suggest you adapt as well. Or you could whine on the forums about it.  Would you like some cheese?
Cheese of the day
Whining is easier than adapting
Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1575
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:36:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Xen Solarus wrote:These changes only really effect the classic AFK-Droneboat, which i never really agreed with anyways. The sleepers in WH space target hostile PvPers that come in for those running them, and they've adapted just fine and make tons of kills. I suggest you adapt as well. Or you could whine on the forums about it.  Would you like some cheese? Cheese of the dayWhining is easier than adapting When you hit the undock button you consent to both non consensual PvP & PvE The rats are very bad at gatecamping. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1610
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:39:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: The rats are very bad at gatecamping.
So am I  Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
7
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Posted - 2012.10.13 17:36:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP.
- Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape.
- Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship.
- Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter.
How about trying some actual pvp? You know - against people who stand a chance? Anything that makes life harder for people engaging in any of the above types of "pvp" is a big plus in my book. Grow some balls. |

Thrash Cutter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.10.18 01:33:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
- It will just make drones tedious in missions
How DARE they make us interact with our DPS mechanisms. Making us do more than swap targets and turn on guns, just the thought disgusts me.
Tedious is the last thing I'd call drones, snooze being the first. I'd hate to see you try playing any RTS. |

Bane Necran
541
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Posted - 2012.10.18 03:14:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship.
I've been doing that to 'ninjas' for years by just warping out when i see them enter. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |

Davis TetrisKing
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.10.18 03:24:00 -
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Souxie Alduin wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP.
- Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape.
- Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship.
- Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter.
How about trying some actual pvp? You know - against people who stand a chance? Anything that makes life harder for people engaging in any of the above types of "pvp" is a big plus in my book. Grow some balls.
This
Also now if mission runners/ratters have a bit more of a chance they'll be more willing to run missions and rat in places with a bit of risk of PvP. If you're lucky this will lead to more targets. Targets that you will actually have to put some effort in to kill, but why should the PvEers be the only ones putting in the risk for their reward? |
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