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Suddenly Forums ForumKings Republic University Minmatar Republic 328	Posted - 2012.10.12 19:51:00 - [1] - Quote As you are aware CCP is changing the behavior of NPCs in missions, complexes, and belts so that they switch targets. This is a good idea for increasing variety in missions except, well, it actually isn't. It will only hurt level 5 mission runners and those who do 10/10 sites such as the infamous maze. Level 4 missions, belt ratting, sanctums, etc, will still be perfectly soloable by one man in a drake. Yes I solo sanctums in drakes, you mad bro? It will just make drones tedious in missions and nerf gallente missioning paradigms such as the famous sentry drone dominix. Without buffing the strength of the level 4 and belt rat NPCs significantly to the level of a miniature incursion, the target switching won't matter because it's one man in a drake still taking the same amount of incoming dps. Why would CCP implement this change? I have no idea why they actually did, but I hope they realize this is going to happen. CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP. Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape. Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship. Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter. To me this seems like a nerf to solo pvp in hi, lo, and nullsec in one relatively small change. I really want to think this isn't some part of a larger plan to turn EVE into hello kitty online, and I want to have faith that EVE is still going to be a cold harsh universe, but these changes seem to contradict that.
Arkon Olacar Imperial Guardians Tribal Band 161	Posted - 2012.10.12 19:53:00 - [2] - Quote wat "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012 Umad forum warriors?
Suddenly Forums ForumKings Republic University Minmatar Republic 329	Posted - 2012.10.12 20:10:00 - [3] - Quote Arkon Olacar wrote: wat Edit: Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: To me this seems like a nerf to solo pvp in hi, lo, and nullsec in one relatively small change. I really want to think this isn't some part of a larger plan to turn EVE into hello kitty online, and I want to have faith that EVE is still going to be a cold harsh universe, but these changes seem to contradict that. So hang on, CCP make semi-afk jewing harder to do with some AI tweaks, and yet youre complaining this is making EVE softer? wat Hello there Dr Reading Comprehension. CCP is in fact making it EASIER. They are reducing the PVP risks associated with making money.
Aziesta Sathainn Braithrean Cartel Apocalypse Now. 64	Posted - 2012.10.12 20:21:00 - [4] - Quote All your points have been made many days ago by many other people in many other threads. Perhaps you and your special snowflake self should look in one of those.
Arkon Olacar Imperial Guardians Tribal Band 161	Posted - 2012.10.12 20:22:00 - [5] - Quote Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: Hello there Dr Reading Comprehension. CCP is in fact making it EASIER. They are reducing the PVP risks associated with making money. Ah I think I see where you're coming from now. I still think you are wrong: Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP. Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape. Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship. Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter. Warp in, cloak, watch rats circlejerk til a dude in a tenjew appears, profit If your PvP ship gets nuked by mission NPCs in the time it takes you to gank a mission boat, you sir are doing it very wrong. Same as above. I agree with your points about it hurting PvE activities, but I cannot see how this will have any meaningful impact on mission/ratting related PvP. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012 Umad forum warriors?
Suddenly Forums ForumKings Republic University Minmatar Republic 329	Posted - 2012.10.12 20:25:00 - [6] - Quote Arkon Olacar wrote: Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: Hello there Dr Reading Comprehension. CCP is in fact making it EASIER. They are reducing the PVP risks associated with making money. Ah I think I see where you're coming from now. I still think you are wrong: Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP. Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape. Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship. Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter. Warp in, cloak, watch rats circlejerk til a dude in a tenjew appears, profit If your PvP ship gets nuked by mission NPCs in the time it takes you to gank a mission boat, you sir are doing it very wrong. Same as above. I agree with your points about it hurting PvE activities, but I cannot see how this will have any meaningful impact on mission/ratting related PvP. Except that when you enter field you will have a chance of getting primaried and the longer the fight takes the greater that chance is. I know I'm not the first to say this stuff and it has been said before, but CCP has proven they listen to the group that whines the loudest. If I don't whine on the forums I'll never get the game I want.
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 338	Posted - 2012.10.12 21:14:00 - [7] - Quote Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP. Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape. Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship. Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter. Yet another tough guy bitching that they might actually get killed in Eve. And they reckon carebears whine. Instead of SOLO, bring a friend. Let him get primary, 50/50 - HALF the risk. I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
LilRemmy Aliastra Gallente Federation 69	Posted - 2012.10.12 21:16:00 - [8] - Quote Touval Lysander wrote: Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP. Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape. Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship. Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter. Yet another tough guy bitching that they might actually get killed in Eve. And they reckon carebears whine. Instead of SOLO, bring a friend. Let him get primary, 50/50 - HALF the risk. In my experience, the l33t players are the once that cry the loudest when they die in EVE. Not the carebears.
Touval Lysander Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 338	Posted - 2012.10.12 21:18:00 - [9] - Quote LilRemmy wrote: Touval Lysander wrote: Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP. Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape. Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship. Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter. Yet another tough guy bitching that they might actually get killed in Eve. And they reckon carebears whine. Instead of SOLO, bring a friend. Let him get primary, 50/50 - HALF the risk. In my experience, the l33t players are the once that cry the loudest when they die in EVE. Not the carebears. Yes sirreee.... Maybe the carebears can show these l33ts how to die gracefully. We have far more experience at it I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
Nikolai Dostoyevski Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2012.10.12 21:22:00 - [10] - Quote Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: Arkon Olacar wrote: Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: Hello there Dr Reading Comprehension. CCP is in fact making it EASIER. They are reducing the PVP risks associated with making money. Ah I think I see where you're coming from now. I still think you are wrong: Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP. Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape. Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship. Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter. Warp in, cloak, watch rats circlejerk til a dude in a tenjew appears, profit If your PvP ship gets nuked by mission NPCs in the time it takes you to gank a mission boat, you sir are doing it very wrong. Same as above. I agree with your points about it hurting PvE activities, but I cannot see how this will have any meaningful impact on mission/ratting related PvP. Except that when you enter field you will have a chance of getting primaried and the longer the fight takes the greater that chance is. I know I'm not the first to say this stuff and it has been said before, but CCP has proven they listen to the group that whines the loudest. If I don't whine on the forums I'll never get the game I want. MAN! I missed the part where we were able to test the new NPC AI and could tell that when we enter a field we have a chance of getting primaried over the guy that's engaged with the NPCs, even though we didn't fire a shot or logi.
Romvex Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 74	Posted - 2012.10.12 21:33:00 - [11] - Quote LilRemmy wrote: Touval Lysander wrote: Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP. Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape. Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship. Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter. Yet another tough guy bitching that they might actually get killed in Eve. And they reckon carebears whine. Instead of SOLO, bring a friend. Let him get primary, 50/50 - HALF the risk. In my experience, the l33t players are the once that cry the loudest when they die in EVE. Not the carebears. i infact enjoy dying... Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ This is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums.
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 647	Posted - 2012.10.12 21:38:00 - [12] - Quote Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: As you are aware CCP is changing the behavior of NPCs in missions, complexes, and belts so that they switch targets. This is a good idea for increasing variety in missions except, well, it actually isn't. It will only hurt level 5 mission runners and those who do 10/10 sites such as the infamous maze. Level 4 missions, belt ratting, sanctums, etc, will still be perfectly soloable by one man in a drake. Yes I solo sanctums in drakes, you mad bro? It will just make drones tedious in missions and nerf gallente missioning paradigms such as the famous sentry drone dominix. Without buffing the strength of the level 4 and belt rat NPCs significantly to the level of a miniature incursion, the target switching won't matter because it's one man in a drake still taking the same amount of incoming dps. Why would CCP implement this change? I have no idea why they actually did, but I hope they realize this is going to happen. CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP. Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape. Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship. Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter. To me this seems like a nerf to solo pvp in hi, lo, and nullsec in one relatively small change. I really want to think this isn't some part of a larger plan to turn EVE into hello kitty online, and I want to have faith that EVE is still going to be a cold harsh universe, but these changes seem to contradict that. Oh look... another sky is falling thread because the OP can't be asked to actually research what he's talking about... They have repeatedly stated that while aggro from NPC's will switch, they will switch based on perceived threat levels that can be manipulated by players.... Rats will tend to shoot ships of similar size.... so if you warp an inty into an anom and tackle a ratter, the BS's and cruisers will mostly leave you alone while you might pickup aggro from frigates..... Oh man, this is Soooo hard to deal with.... I just can't handle it.... Seriously????
Belitch We Sell Cruises 1	Posted - 2012.10.12 21:39:00 - [13] - Quote So wait, if you run onto a battle field to kill lets say army frank. Your navy joe, why would the opposing force in the area try and kill you. Don't know maybe because you shoot at all targets in the opposing force, it could be your enemies ally. So you want to PVP but you want to have less risk then the guy running the mission, your still trespassing into that missions space, they will attack you. They are making the game a bit harder I guess from your perspective but when did't the rouge not need to fight off 2 ppl at once.
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 313	Posted - 2012.10.12 21:40:00 - [14] - Quote CCP can't nerf PvP As long as I am willing to do it, it gets done. They can nerf my ability to win every time but I will adapt.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance 164	Posted - 2012.10.12 21:42:00 - [15] - Quote 2/10
Robert De'Arneth 115	Posted - 2012.10.12 21:52:00 - [16] - Quote Looking for one poster who is not a giant cry baby. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á
III ZiggyBang One Point 0 5	Posted - 2012.10.12 21:53:00 - [17] - Quote I'd like to respond to this thread but I'm worried that some patronizing ass of a moderator will edit my post. change it's meaning, and treat me like a juvenile who needs constant scrutiny & supervision to express himself.
baltec1 Bat Country 2457	Posted - 2012.10.12 22:03:00 - [18] - Quote III ZiggyBang wrote: I'd like to respond to this thread but I'm worried that some patronizing ass of a moderator will edit my post. change it's meaning, and treat me like a juvenile who needs constant scrutiny & supervision to express himself. This only happens if you act like a juvenile who needs scrutiny & supervision to express himself.
Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 8	Posted - 2012.10.12 22:17:00 - [19] - Quote Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: Except that when you enter field you will have a chance of getting primaried and the longer the fight takes the greater that chance is. I know I'm not the first to say this stuff and it has been said before, but CCP has proven they listen to the group that whines the loudest. If I don't whine on the forums I'll never get the game I want. Omg.... do you mean you may enter a site to gank a missioner and risk to be targetted by some NPC????? This is clearly the end of any PvP in EvE! How do they think you may PvP if when you try to kill someone in a PvE ship there isn't a 100% warranty that the whole NPC aggro will stay on him??? And you risk to be targetted by 1 or 2 NPC too! And - mom - those NPC hurts! Clearly slightly improving NPC AI will lead to the death of PvP.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1153	Posted - 2012.10.12 22:27:00 - [20] - Quote OP might be a troll, but he's more or less right. However, this is more of a blob pvp buff than a solo pvp nerf. CCP isn't removing pvp where NPCs are concerned. They just want more active accounts. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 777	Posted - 2012.10.12 22:45:00 - [21] - Quote Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: It will only hurt level 5 mission runners and those who do 10/10 sites such as the infamous maze. Level 4 missions, belt ratting, sanctums, etc, will still be perfectly soloable by one man in a drake. Yes I solo sanctums in drakes, you mad bro? They are nerfing the drake as well this patch. Otherwise I would be tempted to be mad at my bro. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me.
Lucy Ferrr Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 200	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:16:00 - [22] - Quote Dumb OP is dumb. Threads this low of caliber do not deserve real responses. Quit crying and adapt, otherwise give me your stuff.
Spurty V0LTA Verge of Collapse 507	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:20:00 - [23] - Quote No We now know this alt fears change. Post with main (or biomass them) ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.
Devon Krah'tor Magis.Erudire.Ratus.Knoen 0	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:28:00 - [24] - Quote Hmm forced to adapt your fit, or your tactics? Not liking the inability to insta-win your 'gank'? possibility of a fair fight??? Perhaps mission runners will actively engage pvpers if its a fair fight, instead of Constantly Evading PvP. hmm.... More PvP = Good Possibility of actually losing said fight = unacceptable?? fail's to you sir. Greater.Insight.Skill.Knowledge
Eli Green The Arrow Project 20	Posted - 2012.10.12 23:58:00 - [25] - Quote OP fails to realize that people have been soloing WH sites for years
PlasTic LiTTle PATLABOR-1 1	Posted - 2012.10.13 00:44:00 - [26] - Quote Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: As you are aware CCP is changing the behavior of NPCs in missions, complexes, and belts so that they switch targets. This is a good idea for increasing variety in missions except, well, it actually isn't. It will only hurt level 5 mission runners and those who do 10/10 sites such as the infamous maze. Level 4 missions, belt ratting, sanctums, etc, will still be perfectly soloable by one man in a drake. Yes I solo sanctums in drakes, you mad bro? It will just make drones tedious in missions and nerf gallente missioning paradigms such as the famous sentry drone dominix. Without buffing the strength of the level 4 and belt rat NPCs significantly to the level of a miniature incursion, the target switching won't matter because it's one man in a drake still taking the same amount of incoming dps. Why would CCP implement this change? I have no idea why they actually did, but I hope they realize this is going to happen. CCP is killing off these entire types of PVP. Solo afk cloaking in a recon ship. Now when your pilgrim warps into that sanctum the rats will nuke you and the target will escape. Solo Mission runner hunting. Whether you baited them by being a "ninja" or are at war with them, mission NPCs will nuke you when you enter the site with your pvp ship. Solo Belt Hunting. Now the rats will nuke you when you warp into the belt to kill the ratter. To me this seems like a nerf to solo pvp in hi, lo, and nullsec in one relatively small change. I really want to think this isn't some part of a larger plan to turn EVE into hello kitty online, and I want to have faith that EVE is still going to be a cold harsh universe, but these changes seem to contradict that.
PlasTic LiTTle PATLABOR-1 1	Posted - 2012.10.13 00:45:00 - [27] - Quote http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab338/Canack247/untitled-3.png yup you are.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1572	Posted - 2012.10.13 00:48:00 - [28] - Quote Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: To me this seems like a nerf to solo pvp in hi, lo, and nullsec in one relatively small change. I really want to think this isn't some part of a larger plan to turn EVE into hello kitty online, and I want to have faith that EVE is still going to be a cold harsh universe, but these changes seem to contradict that. Maybe some of us needed the thermostat turned up a little. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Taihbea Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2012.10.13 01:02:00 - [29] - Quote Yay for another dumbass noob cloak ganker whine thread.
Aldeb Haraz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 9	Posted - 2012.10.13 01:25:00 - [30] - Quote In other news, the pilgrim is going to be even more **** than it was before this change. Activating TD's, warp scram, web, and neut at the same time seems like a good way for the rats to instantly primary you.

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