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Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
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Posted - 2012.10.13 21:03:00 -
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As we know the fotm is that people in null/low want more carebears to head their way in the hope of padding their killboards; but carebears don't want to lose ships.
So how about this as a compromise, at least for mission runners:
When a player accepts a mission, he sets off as usual but instead of to a destination system to fight the mission, he goes to an acceleration gate, which takes him to ANY system in the region he's in - be it hi, lo or null.
The gate drops him into his mission area in the destination system - so he doesn't have to travel trough the normal gates and so can't get caught by gate camps.
He does his mission and then leaves via another accel gate that takes him back to the agent's system; but all the time he's in system running his mission, the residents of the lo or null system are trying to scan him down, and if successfully done, there's a new target to kill.
The idea being that players will not have a choice as to what security level the mission system is, but he won't need to worry about getting killed at the first gate into low sec he needs to use...the rewards and drops could also be varied according to where the mission is run; plus it gives the null or lowsec players a reason to leave the gates and actually hunt down people instead of them being handed to them on a plate at a gate.
Of course for true noobs, their missions - lets say up to a standing level of around 2 with any faction or NPC corp - are all done in hi-sec.
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Agnar Volta
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.13 21:13:00 -
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Why should we feed nulll people like if they were ducks in a pond and carebears bread crumbs? Specially in PVE fitted ships.
We will get a new bounty and KR systems soon. Learn to use those to get kills and if that still doesn't work for you, call your friends and go do some paintball. Maybe you need some fresh air. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
1945
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Posted - 2012.10.13 21:24:00 -
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The compromise is to make null individual income appealing enough that carebears will look at the potential profit and think "I might lose my ship, but overall the risk is worth it compared to doing x in highsec". The current system balance does not do that.
Making null/lowsec even less secureable (like this 'no more gatecamp' idea) makes it far less safe to do things in 0.0/low and thus makes it infinitely more risky and less appealing. It would result in the exact opposite of your intent. |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.13 21:26:00 -
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Great way to get a fleet into null sec while avoiding choke points
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
847
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Posted - 2012.10.13 21:28:00 -
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Hestia Mar wrote:When a player accepts a mission, he sets off as usual but instead of to a destination system to fight the mission, he goes to an acceleration gate, which takes him to ANY system in the region he's in - be it hi, lo or null.
Name a region that has a mix of high, low & nullsec systems.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
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Posted - 2012.10.13 21:40:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:The compromise is to make null individual income appealing enough that carebears will look at the potential profit and think "I might lose my ship, but overall the risk is worth it compared to doing x in highsec". The current system balance does not do that.
I think you need to re-read my post because that's exactly what I'm suggesting this compromise would achieve .
Making null/lowsec even less secureable (like this 'no more gatecamp' idea) makes it far less safe to do things in 0.0/low and thus makes it infinitely more risky and less appealing. It would result in the exact opposite of your intent.
Your point about making null less 'secureable' just confirms what other players think about nullbears.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5142
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Posted - 2012.10.13 21:54:00 -
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Hestia Mar wrote:Your point about making null less 'secureable' just confirms what other players think about nullbears.
speak for yourself
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Josef Djugashvilis
680
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Posted - 2012.10.13 21:58:00 -
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So, I and other mission runners in our pve fit ships will all rush to complete missions, in say null-sec where we can be ganked by gangs of pvp fit ships.
Nope, cannot see fault with your suggestion...
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
1945
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Posted - 2012.10.13 22:20:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:So, I and other mission runners in our pve fit ships will all rush to complete missions, in say null-sec where we can be ganked by gangs of pvp fit ships.
Nope, cannot see any fault with your suggestion...
It's pretty much a given that noone would use this poorly-conceived 'feature' for PvE ever. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.10.13 22:21:00 -
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Or you can just go to npc nullsec and find a station with missions.
Besides, there is already no shortage of PvE ships being killed in nullsec. |
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Darth Khasei
Sunstar Business Ventures Inc.
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Posted - 2012.10.13 22:39:00 -
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I don't think OP has really considered this idea fully from all sides. I mean I can respect each and every person and their ideas. It just seems to me that others offering up suggestions are only looking at it from their one sided perspective when CCP has to consider them all. |
Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2012.10.13 22:45:00 -
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On the good side, at least the OP is trying to improve Eve.
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Dyvim Slorm
Frozen Moon Conglomerate
Forsaken Generation Coalition
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:08:00 -
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Darth Khasei wrote:I don't think OP has really considered this idea fully from all sides. I mean I can respect each and every person and their ideas. It just seems to me that others offering up suggestions are only looking at it from their one sided perspective when CCP has to consider them all.
Agreed, a pve and pvp ship have very different setups and without a quick change option in space to refit, the OP's idea just isn't going to work.
Interesting suggestion though |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:11:00 -
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CCP puts some risk back into highsec. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
304
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:18:00 -
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I don't think that it's wrong to say that some people that play in null just want more people to play in null. We don't give a **** why you want to play here, just come play.
The more people playing in null the more fun null is. Same for low sec.
I don't understand were this idea that we're all just insideous bastards ploting against you comes from. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1575
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:57:00 -
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Hestia Mar wrote:As we know the fotm is that people in null/low want more carebears to head their way in the hope of padding their killboards; but carebears don't want to lose ships.
Who says nullsec inhabitants wants carebears to head their way for the sake of free targets? If we want people to move into nullsec, we want them to do so because they want to live or at least play in nullsec and stop being scared of "losing ships".
"I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose."
-Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
Feer Truelight
FEER ME.
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Posted - 2012.10.14 05:41:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:On the good side, at least the OP is trying to improve Eve.
What's good on getting more "victims" to Nullsec?
Aren't you interested in balanced fights instead of pubstomping carebears?
I'm still fairly new in the world of EVE, but one thing I can say for sure:
It's not about losing a ship. It's about losing a ship and you can't do sh!t to prevent it.
To me it's ok if I lose a ship in PvP - even when I'm PvE'ing and getting ganked.
But it's not OK to get served on a silver plate to a fleet of coordinated gankers where your chance of survival equals zero.
Yes, this is EVE and it's ok. But you can't complain on people who are discouraged of the silver plate and want to prevent it.
In my humble opinion the low/nullsec residents are at a whole to blame for their "starvation". They sabotage themselves in terms of not getting fresh meat from hisec which they can hunt in low/nullsec.
Killed by Brothel: http://i.imgur.com/WyR1x.png |
Josef Djugashvilis
681
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Posted - 2012.10.14 07:33:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I don't think that it's wrong to say that some people that play in null just want more people to play in null. We don't give a **** why you want to play here, just come play.
The more people playing in null the more fun null is. Same for low sec.
I don't understand were this idea that we're all just insideous bastards ploting against you comes from.
Try reading the forums and the insults to hi-sec folk.
Really makes one want to dash off to null.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
923
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Posted - 2012.10.14 07:44:00 -
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Stay in Empire, we don't care about that. But if so, your ISK/hour should be around 25. ISK that is, not million.
Why did you take my wings away? |
Josef Djugashvilis
681
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Posted - 2012.10.14 07:56:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Stay in Empire, we don't care about that. But if so, your ISK/hour should be around 25. ISK that is, not million.
Null has an image problem.
Largely created ny null-sec folk.
Your comment will do as a typical example.
Why would I want to spend my money to be near folk with your type of atttude?
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