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Marzuq
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Posted - 2012.10.15 23:02:00 -
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Other than massively blobbing the enemy, ECM remains the only true counter to logistic ships.
If ECM were to be "rebalanced" then something would have to be done about the overwhelming strength of logistic ships. |
Marzuq
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
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Posted - 2012.10.15 23:47:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Im sensing OPs fleet was devasted by a smaller force that actually had logis and wasnt a fail fleet.
On the contrary I have logistics V and I fly Guardian in my armor fleet most of the time. 3 guardians are practically enough to rep the damage of 10-15 ships.
They themselves are hard to kill due to fairly strong tank, small sig radius, and high moving speed with afterburner. With ECCM's they have good resistance to ECM jammers.
Cap chaining logistics are more difficult to fully neut out due to the excess capacitor that is generated along with the low capacitor cost of RR modules. If one guardian is not neuted, then he will generate cap and keep the chain running.
Sensor damps can move logistic ships closer, but they are gimped and require multiple bonus dampeners to be of any effect.
ECM is a proper counter as it disrupts cap chains and allows you to burn down targets during that 20 second cycle.
The force multiplier of logistic pretty much makes it almost a necessity, a must have for any gang or fleet. You'd need large numbers in order to overcome the effects of logistics. ECM however is a counter to that force multipier.
Nerfing ECM will lower remove a counter to logistics and make them more powerful than before. |
Marzuq
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
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Posted - 2012.10.16 02:16:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:ECM is by far the absolute dumbest ******* game mechanic ever designed in the history of MMOs. And you can quote me on that.
What about logistic ships, isn't that a must have as well?
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Marzuq
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
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Posted - 2012.10.16 09:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Omega Sunset wrote:Tippia wrote:that this line of argumentation only ever proves that something is in desperate need of being nerfedGǪ ehh... it's a personal preference, as in I don't snipe or op tornados etc. I don't get the bonus on my non-ecm ships, thus the ready to blow out an expensive component to survive, comment. It's what stops me in my ecm ships anyway, to warp out or get distance with my mwd. Even a snipe can be nasty in a flying origami. If you ever do ecm support, you know you don't have slots to spare for most anything else. And that may all be true. My point is that the instant you hear the Gǣbring some of your ownGǥ argument, you know that whatever it is you're talking about is up for the chop. It means we have an apex-predator kind of situation, and those are deeply undesirable in a working game. It was the same situation (and the same argument) we saw with nanos, with supercaps, with neuts, withGǪ [etc]. It has become an increasingly common argument for leaving ECM alone, and that really only points to one thing: it will not be left alone.
Just like Logi's bring some of your own. |
Marzuq
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
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Posted - 2012.10.16 09:43:00 -
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Ur235 wrote:the single biggest problem with ECM is ECM alts that solo players use to win a fight thats there one and only problem. They are perfectley viable for big fleet engagements
To argue for that what if he had a oneiros or scimitar alt? The result would be similar. If you want to fix this problem you would make only one account valid per household. But CCP wants to make money, so that isn't the case.
If there multiple people on field the ECM ship needs a good amount of attention or it goes pop, dual boxing is not a way for that. |
Marzuq
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:00:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Falcon pilot has a specific racial jammer on you overloaded and jams you for 20 seconds.
Drake puts a small ECM drone on you and jams you for 20 seconds.
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So no one sees an issue here?
ECM drones are more of a problem than ecm itself. |
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