| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 8 post(s) |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
66
   |
Posted - 2012.10.16 19:50:00 -
[1] - Quote
CCP says they want to grow EVE pvp into some kind of e-sport, but that will never happen for the following reasons:
1. EVE pvp is a joke amongst competitive pvpers. It is viewed as a game that requires very little skill and has an extremely low skill ceiling. In EVE, you don't beat your opponents because you were a more skilled player, you beat them because you were fortunate enough to choose correct modules and were in the right ship and knew how to operate it, which also isn't something terribly difficult. When compared to the skills of pro players in other competitive e-sport games like starcraft2, you can see a enormous margin of what is required of the player. There is no need for tactical use of terrain, nor a need for high coordination, aiming or high actions per minute, nor micromanage, very little strategy is involved, and the reactionary abilities of your opponents are extremely limited. These pvp mechanics do not attract skilled, competitive gamers, they are the things that make them shy away.
2. Time investment. The amount of skill training required to be on the same level as the competition is not something that is quickly obtained. Many players have had years to get skill level 5 in everything they need. This is not something that is appealing to anyone who might become interested in EVE because of said tournaments. By the time a newer player reached a competitive level there are many factors that could have changed within that time (such as ship rebalancing) which could require more time investment or may not be worth doing at all. In essence,
3. It is not entertaining to watch. There is no display of skill that is nearly as admirable as watching a player like MarineKingprime play starcraft2. These players are so amazing to watch that they generate a following that continues to support their e-sport. If it weren't for amazing players like MKP, I would no longer buy subscriptions to watch him play in the global standard leauge. At a basic level, competitive Starcraft can be understood and is entertaining to watch, even for people who aren't very familar with the game.
Although it is very admirable of CCP for doing this. There has never been a successful e-sport with a knowledge-based game for a reason. These tournaments aren't going to attract any new players to EVE. Since this tournament is done solely to appease current players of EVE. I feel that $10,000 could be better spent hiring more devs to improve the game for everyone instead of the few people who were fortunate enough to already have the trained book skills and know-how required for this tournament.
"I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose."
-Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
|
Jim Era
4969
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 19:51:00 -
[2] - Quote
How is anything a waste of money if you want it?
If you want something, then you must pay the price the person is willing to take.
If that is too much then you must wait.
If you don't think it will ever be worth it, then it is not worth it and you should just not participate/consume. |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
66
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 19:57:00 -
[3] - Quote
Jim Era wrote:How is anything a waste of money if you want it?
Why would you want something after realizing it was a waste of money?
think before posting please.
"I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose."
-Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
|
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2782
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 19:58:00 -
[4] - Quote
Nerf Burger wrote:Jim Era wrote:How is anything a waste of money if you want it?
Why would you want something after realizing it was a waste of money? think before posting please.
Then you wouldn't want it anymore and this thread is irrelevant 
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Jim Era
4969
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 19:58:00 -
[5] - Quote
Nerf Burger wrote:Jim Era wrote:How is anything a waste of money if you want it?
Why would you want something after realizing it was a waste of money? think before posting please.
But if you have an excess of money, and you see something you want, if that amount of money is trivial, then it is not a waste.
Don't think everyone is as poor as you please. |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
66
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:01:00 -
[6] - Quote
Jim Era wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:Jim Era wrote:How is anything a waste of money if you want it?
Why would you want something after realizing it was a waste of money? think before posting please. But if you have an excess of money, and you see something you want, if that amount of money is trivial, then it is not a waste. Don't think everyone is as poor as you please.
EVE is a company, not an impulsive person who throws money around. Money is invested, not wasted on trivial things that could be better spent elsewhere. Its a simple concept. Again, think before you post please.
"I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose."
-Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
|
Jim Era
4969
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:04:00 -
[7] - Quote
Nerf Burger wrote:Jim Era wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:Jim Era wrote:How is anything a waste of money if you want it?
Why would you want something after realizing it was a waste of money? think before posting please. But if you have an excess of money, and you see something you want, if that amount of money is trivial, then it is not a waste. Don't think everyone is as poor as you please. EVE is a company, not an impulsive person who throws money around. Money is invested, not wasted on trivial things that could be better spent elsewhere. Its a simple concept. Again, think before you post please.
lies, CCP is a company, think before you poast |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
66
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:07:00 -
[8] - Quote
Jim Era wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:Jim Era wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:Jim Era wrote:How is anything a waste of money if you want it?
Why would you want something after realizing it was a waste of money? think before posting please. But if you have an excess of money, and you see something you want, if that amount of money is trivial, then it is not a waste. Don't think everyone is as poor as you please. EVE is a company, not an impulsive person who throws money around. Money is invested, not wasted on trivial things that could be better spent elsewhere. Its a simple concept. Again, think before you post please. lies, CCP is a company, think before you poast
That is actually what i meant to say. How mad are you right now on a scale of 1 to Gordon Ramsay?
"I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose."
-Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
|
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
2987
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:09:00 -
[9] - Quote
Nerf Burger wrote:CCP says they want to grow EVE pvp into some kind of e-sport, but that will never happen for the following reasons:
1. EVE pvp is a joke amongst competitive pvpers. It is viewed as a game that requires very little skill and has an extremely low skill ceiling.
I think you would find many who disagree. 
Quote:2. Time investment. The amount of skill training required to be on the same level as the competition is not something that is quickly obtained. Many players have had years to get skill level 5 in everything they need.
I'm pretty sure the tournament participants won't have a problem with this.
Quote:3. It is not entertaining to watch. There is no display of skill that is nearly as admirable as watching a player like MarineKingprime play starcraft2.
Again, I think many would disagree with you there.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ MinerBumping.com -½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½-½The daily saga of the New Order's quest to conquer all highsec by bumping miners out of range. |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1370
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:10:00 -
[10] - Quote
Nerf Burger wrote: I feel that $10,000 could be better spent hiring more devs to improve the game for everyone. One dev for two months?
Caldari Militia |
Elvis Fett
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
76
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:11:00 -
[11] - Quote
.... messed up post, lost draft :( |
Jim Era
4971
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:12:00 -
[12] - Quote
*snip* |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9927
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:12:00 -
[13] - Quote
GǪso basically, you don't understand or appreciate PvP in EVE?
That's nice and all, but why shouldn't CCP cater to those of us who do?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
|
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
33
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:13:00 -
[14] - Quote
Nerf Burger wrote:I feel that $10,000 could be better spent hiring more devs to improve the game for everyone instead of the few people who were fortunate enough to already have the trained book skills and know-how required for this tournament.
CCP could give that 10 grand to me, I've been working for free giving away all my ideas. |
Korvus Falek
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
14
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:14:00 -
[15] - Quote
OP, youre an idiot. Not only are SC2 and EVE different in the pvp arena, they are entirely different games in a similar sci-fi genre; which is their only link to each other.
I loved watching the EvE ATs even since before I started playing EvE, and even though Im way too lazy to put in the time needed to actually be a part of it, I feel the EvE AT's are way more entertaining than some matches of SC2 (Of which Ive played exstensively and still find disappointingly inferior to EvE) |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
366
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:16:00 -
[16] - Quote
You really did not watch the last alliance tournement did you? Watching a pilot save another ship with a well timed bump was amazing.
Further more, do nor confuse your own personal interest with the general population. I do not give a rat's posterior region about starcraft 2 tournaments. To me, watching some one micro manage a bunch of units is dull. Ooooooo he zerg rushed.... Riviting.... Or more accurately about as exciting as watching paint dry.
However, the alliance tourney, watching the team work, understanding the hours and days that went into theory crafting fits and fleets, watching team work as a group of 12 try to eliminate their enemies. Knowing that in addition to mananing their given roles, but also watching out for enemy mistakes and covering your team, that I enjoy.
So really, to each their own. Just because you like one thing does not negate others from liking something else. Nor just because you dislike something does that mean it is invalid. |
Dessau
57
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:18:00 -
[17] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Nerf Burger wrote: I feel that $10,000 could be better spent hiring more devs to improve the game for everyone. One dev for two months?
Make 'em work crunchtime hours and you got yourself four months for the price of two.
Channel 'Asymmetrics'. PvP for gentlepersons. |
Metal Icarus
Endless Destruction
Against ALL Anomalies
303
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:18:00 -
[18] - Quote
in b4 a team with ASB Slepnirs win.... again |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
831
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:20:00 -
[19] - Quote
Nerf Burger wrote:3. It is not entertaining to watch.
Change your post and name this one "1st"
Didn't read all the rest, sry but this was the only interesting part imho 
brb |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
366
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:20:00 -
[20] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Nerf Burger wrote: I feel that $10,000 could be better spent hiring more devs to improve the game for everyone. One dev for two months?
After taxes, not even. More like a month, which is what... Enough time to bring them up to speed on the coding, vsm system used to check builds in, and get them a machine to code on, then fire them as you've run out of money. |
The Space Hag
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:22:00 -
[21] - Quote
Methinks you think you are a thinker.
I'm ugly on the inside too. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
366
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:22:00 -
[22] - Quote
Metal Icarus wrote:in b4 a team with ASB Slepnirs win.... again
Given that a team can negate a ship type, this won't happen. Each team needs a backup plan incase their main fkwey us incapacitated by the rules that allow the opposing team to ban one ship type. |
|
ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1923
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:29:00 -
[23] - Quote
Just a quick heads up. I confirmed this with CCP Falcon as I suspected people had the wrong idea, but the Tournament prize is actually being provided by own3D and not CCP.
ISD Type40
Lt. Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
|
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
407
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:30:00 -
[24] - Quote
Heh. "e-sport".
A game. Competitive gaming, but a sport?
No wonder gaming lacks credibility claiming such titles.
WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
Arduemont
Lords 0f Justice
Fidelas Constans
391
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:32:00 -
[25] - Quote
Nerf Burger wrote:Dont want tournament.
Then don't watch it. But don't start another useless thread about it. |
Robert De'Arneth
124
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:39:00 -
[26] - Quote
In the immortal words of the great one Jim Era Wat? *since Jim no longer uses this thanks to the theft of it by some jelous wannabes*
Dear OP think before you post, there are 1000's of players who play this game, you understand the motivations and likes of only one, that being you. Thanks and have a nice day.
You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |
Tao Arnst
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
36
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:41:00 -
[27] - Quote
If they are paying any of the cur devs for this inferno mess 10,000 a month, THAT is definately a waste of money.
As for PvP, most of the lame a$$ players don't PvP cause they have a gang of their girlfriends. And killing any unarmed mining ship is certainly not PvP, just pure cowardly.
Is this tourney going to honor rl PvP? 1v1? or will 1 have logi support?
Was the Title "Inferno" given to this release because its a Steaming Pile of S**t?
Most people embrace GOOD change
Parasites embrace BAD change
ccp supports the degradation of society |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
66
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:41:00 -
[28] - Quote
ISD TYPE40 wrote:Just a quick heads up. I confirmed this with CCP Falcon as I suspected people had the wrong idea, but the Tournament prize is actually being provided by own3D and not CCP.
I guess I made this post on the wrong forum then. Time to educate owe3D about their future failed experiment. While beams of light shooting back and forth may be entertaining for people with a child-like sense of appreciation. There is no way they are going to make that money back from EVE viewers since nobody who doesn't play EVE is going to watch. Maybe if toddlers knew how to operate computers. Some pro players who stream themselves playing on SC2 ladder get more views than EVE tournaments do.
"I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose."
-Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
|
Borascus
Red Core
Paradigm Shift Alliance
70
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:44:00 -
[29] - Quote
ISD TYPE40 wrote:Just a quick heads up. I confirmed this with CCP Falcon as I suspected people had the wrong idea, but the Tournament prize is actually being provided by own3D and not CCP.
It's times like this I remember a viral video about a mountain...... and a unicorn
|
Robert De'Arneth
126
|
Posted - 2012.10.16 20:48:00 -
[30] - Quote
Nerf Burger wrote:ISD TYPE40 wrote:Just a quick heads up. I confirmed this with CCP Falcon as I suspected people had the wrong idea, but the Tournament prize is actually being provided by own3D and not CCP. I guess I made this post on the wrong forum then. Time to educate owe3D about their future failed experiment. While beams of light shooting back and forth may be entertaining for people with a child-like sense of appreciation. There is no way they are going to make that money back from EVE viewers since nobody who doesn't play EVE is going to watch. Maybe if toddlers knew how to operate computers. Some pro players who stream SC2 get more views than EVE tournaments do on a daily basis.
LOL, get proven to be an idiot, rather then admit you are wrong insult pepople, go back to SC2. You will not be missed, I promise you that.
You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |