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Farsenir
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Posted - 2005.03.24 09:14:00 -
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I've been lurking in the roleplaying forum a while, and all I've been able to see if an Amarr-Minmatar front (which is fine in itself, but leaves little space to other races, except occasional sniper comments).
This topic is made to ask if and how many Caldari players/corporations would be interested to create anything, a corporation if players, an alliance if corporations, devoted to something else than endless isk making/NPC hunting/missions/whatever. The Caldari background, once you bother reading it, hides astonishing potential to start storylines, and it's a shame to see it all put to waste. Look forward to answers.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.03.24 09:17:00 -
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your big problem is you lack a suitable player enemy imo. The RP conflict grew because a few corps with same ideas decided a war based on background would be fun. There arnt that many corps for Gallente/Caldari, there was, back in years ago the Lame Ducks were good fun to follow on galnet.
It would be great to see such spring up then we start getting 4 way realtionships and wars on top of the utopian idealists like Star Fraction.
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.03.24 09:17:00 -
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gallente is also neglected - caldari could do with more events
Amarr and minotaur - what about some drone related storylines
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.03.24 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: Nero Scuro on 24/03/2005 09:26:12
I'd be interested in such an alliance (although you already know that, Farsenir... >_>). Weren't Drink Starsi making an alliance? What happened to that?
Meh, whatever. And Caldari-Gallente DO have a reason to war - Caldari Prime. Yeah, people say it's old and lame, but the slaver thing is even older and lame.
I w4nts t0 shoot teh G4llenteans! 
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.03.24 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Seto Mazzarotto on 24/03/2005 09:31:29
Well, I tried to turn Caldari against Caldari for a while with my own dissent movement. That fell through quickly enough, when I discovered I suck at recruiting and am entirely too lazy to actually do any of the work associated with running a corp. 
Although in Jericho Fraction I've found a lot of backup to keep this dream alive... and if I get so inclined, from here or from a second incarnation of my corporation I'll take another focused stab at it someday.
Though till then, you will see me butting heads with the locals on the Caldari channel when I'm not chasing/getting chased by the infernal CVA imperialists. 
EDIT: And yes, Drink Starsi is the forefront of Caldari nationalistic roleplay. Ask any Gallentean about the mark they left at Caldari Prime.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.03.24 09:34:00 -
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I'm working on the background to "hurt" the Gallente. My R&D corp is 100% Caldari and researchs 100% Caldari technology. Soon Caldarians will have the technology to wage a war to retaken Caldari Prime, even facing the more numerous Gallente Federation.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.03.24 09:36:00 -
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*Raises hand*
Yup!! Count me in!!
(and i will add shameless promotion and ask you to check this short story...)
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Farsenir
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Posted - 2005.03.24 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Farsenir on 24/03/2005 10:10:41
Well, thanks for the quick answers. To start talking about it, I created a channel in EVE, 'Caldari Roleplaying'. Feel free to drop by 
Just finished reading your piece Herko. Really, really nice.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.03.24 10:19:00 -
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Try contacting Amin of drink starsi, and also check out this thread.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.24 10:51:00 -
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Most Caldari RP devolves into "WTFPWNz0r Gallente - retake Caldari Prime - WAR! OMFG-iRLEET!!!" *grins*
If more caldari players took time to study their own 'state' through reading the background material, and keeping up with the news (current tensions with the Amarr over the execution of a state corporation employee for instance), it would get more interesting.
I RP Jakk as a Caldari dissenter (like Seto's character) and therefore play in the Jericho Fraction.
Omerta Syndicate (Members of our alliance - Yuki Li) are also an all Caldari RP corporation but, from the 'state' viewpoint, they have a less savoury reputation than Drink Starsi, or the Caldari Independent Navy Reserve (Dev Larren).
Most RPers seem to choose the path of least resistance and go for the Amarr-Minmatar as their races of choice because the conflict and background are already well fleshed out and they get lots of content-team lurve (which is a good thing - the more storylines the better).
As a Caldari RPer you have more 'work' to do to establish your character, but you also have the opportunity to be more original and break new ground in the game.
Good luck.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2005.03.24 11:02:00 -
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Hmmm....
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Farsenir
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Posted - 2005.03.24 11:24:00 -
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Most Caldari RP devolves into "WTFPWNz0r Gallente - retake Caldari Prime - WAR! OMFG-iRLEET!!!" *grins*
Well, that's because a good chunk of the Caldari are still ****ed off over the matter (patriot faction... KK and Lai Dai alone are probably bigger than the liberal faction).
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Most RPers seem to choose the path of least resistance and go for the Amarr-Minmatar as their races of choice because the conflict and background are already well fleshed out and they get lots of content-team lurve (which is a good thing - the more storylines the better).
I can understand them, but I'm way more intrigued by the Caldari-Gallente confrontation. Most of it isn't open fighting, instead it's about backstabbing (Crielere) and not-so-good-as-they-appeared deals (Protein delicacies). (Anyone else find odd that Ishukone, one of the leaders of the liberal faction, is the one who apparently is souring the most inter-racial relationships? [:p)
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David Goodwill
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Posted - 2005.03.24 11:30:00 -
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Well us at Gentec are trying to create a socialist Caldari corp. It is increadibly hard, but we are at last starting to get the kinks out of the whole process. We have been refining the structure a heck of a lot over the last couple of months, and we are finally getting to the stage where we can show people the benefits of socialist thinking, and how far it can take us. Like I said though, damn hard to get the structure in place. 6 months and only now are we starting to really get it going.
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Stuart85
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Posted - 2005.03.24 11:46:00 -
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As a Caldari, I have to say I would find it quite hard to role-play. I actually quite like the sound of the Gallente and their Federation, and would find it hard to come up with any reasons to hate them. Personally, I think we should all be uniting to crush the Amarr. Imperialistic, slave-trading scum that they are. 
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eddie valvetino
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Posted - 2005.03.24 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Meh, whatever. And Caldari-Gallente DO have a reason to war - Caldari Prime. Yeah, people say it's old and lame, but the slaver thing is even older and lame.
I w4nts t0 shoot teh G4llenteans!
yeah.. i have to agree, it is a great reason, if a little old. and it is an overlooked story line some times, if you do missions you'll that there are "tensions" between Gal and Cal
Think it would be cool to do something
but to really take it back we'd need CCP help, cos you'd want to fight the Gallente Navy too
i think
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:03:00 -
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Eddie, you'd never actually take Caldari Prime. If you did, then the story would be over (like the Empire actually banning slavery, for instance. You'd end up with a lot of unemployed CVA).
Unfortunately, you can't do a UK and go rebel. Technically, the Republic doesn't approve of them, so it doesn't matter if they do stuff that is against the Republic's views. But a Gallentean-hating State rebel is just... sucky. The only people who would hate the Gallente are patriots, and the patriots would never rebel against the State.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:17:00 -
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Concord doesn't let us retaken caldari prime. Otherwise it would be done along time ago
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:20:00 -
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Reason enough to get rid of concord.
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Sammira
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:44:00 -
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The alliance is being worked on. We missed out on the deadline for getting empire control by proxy for starting the alliance. Despite the news coverage and many pleas to Keiron, the GM's and any gods that were listening, we were left to get the skills the hard way.
I belive Amin should have the exequetor skills within the month.
We already have a TS server sorted out, and ingame channels as well. Most of the people involvedd, you can find by hanging out in the Caldari channel. I look forward to chatting with some of the people involved as i have more time (bah! damn RL)
Btw, there are some EVENTS taking part around Caldari corporations such as TAKA, and that arc has just recently restarted as we've seen in the news.
As has been said above, there's afew threads and more info can be gathered from registering at Drink Starsi forums.
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Drink StarsiÖ + [DS] Haulage
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Caldari State Citizen
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.03.24 13:35:00 -
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I'm in. Anyone who hides behind swarms of drones must die :).
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Ardor
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Most Caldari RP devolves into "WTFPWNz0r Gallente - retake Caldari Prime - WAR! OMFG-iRLEET!!!" *grins*
If more caldari players took time to study their own 'state' through reading the background material, and keeping up with the news (current tensions with the Amarr over the execution of a state corporation employee for instance), it would get more interesting.
While your words are true you need such a big primary tab of discussion to get things started. The 'discussion' about slavery in the Amarr-Minmatar conflict is a very nice example. Believe me it when I say it can become boring after a while. But its a good way to get new pilots into the story. There are a lot more interesting points to discuss if you are searching... The player himself can decide if he reduces his roleplay to 'slavery is Gods will - Hail to the Emperor' or if he wants to get deeper into the storyline.
The Minmatar-Amarr conflict is fine.
The (extremist) Caldari have the issue about Caldari Prime to get things started.
The Gallente dont have such reasons. The Protein Delicacies scandal was a start...
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:09:00 -
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Ardor - the Gallenteans have a VERY good reason to go to war against the Caldari - because the Caldari want to shove a missile up their ass.
Seriously, when is it necessary for both sides to agree to war? The only thing stopping a Caldari-Gallente war is the Gallente. There aren't any, at least not in an attackable group (although there was talk of a Gallentean alliance around the same time as the Caldari one. What happened to that?).
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Ardor
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
The only thing stopping a Caldari-Gallente war is the Gallente. There aren't any, ...
Why?
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:12:00 -
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'S no reason for a Caldari - Gallente war. Neither government has an interest in a prolonged conflict. Methinks Caldari or Gallente RP should focus on the distinctions of those cultures.
Conflict is nice, but it gets old 
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Sammira
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:16:00 -
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Everyone makes of it as they will. It's finding ground for all of the Caldari players within the alliance to partake in whats happening. The moderates, the isk lovers and the extremists and so on.
There was talk of using the alliance as a strong arm tactic in business dealings. Sod fighting for a hunk of worthless real estate like Caldari Prime, lets fight to have the best trade routes and eliminate the competition in whatever area. Fight it out, hire mercs and so on.
Isk-lovers are happy as it's about trade supremacy, nationalists are happy as they get to blow the crap out of a gallente(s) and the moderates are breathing a sigh of relief it's not about nationalism.
Mind you, at least there are several factiosnal approaches to what the alliance grouping can do in regards to operations and the way forward for the alliance in relating to the storyline and so on, be they about Caldari Prime, Making money, Nationalism and patriotism, being a good State drone, puting forward policy ideas to the State, etc etc etc.
should be fun and a good springboard anyways.
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Drink StarsiÖ + [DS] Haulage
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:22:00 -
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Assuming the "New World Order" actually allows for regions to be disctinct in culture and rules (flavour-wise) as well as having the possibility to create region-centered markets, you might be looking at a good deal there, Sammira.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Sammira
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:29:00 -
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hopefully.
Ethno-centric markets, as well as region control by driving out some competition could really open up some nice wars, or at least some tension and talking points as a springboard for further interaction and more in-depth participation by the EVENT teams. As you say, depends on how the NWO turns out. Should be intersting in paticularl to see how the Caldari/gallente border zones turn out.
Wars don't have to be permanent like the CVA/UK war, but can be over a course of weeks to accomplish a specific goal which is what i think would be best for a fledgling alliance anyho!
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Drink StarsiÖ + [DS] Haulage
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Caldari State Citizen
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:38:00 -
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I hope we have some input in how this NWO forms.
That'd be ace.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Meh, whatever. And Caldari-Gallente DO have a reason to war - Caldari Prime. Yeah, people say it's old and lame, but the slaver thing is even older and lame.
Sorry Caldari Prime is lame and old. Fighting for your religion or to free your race from slavery, isnt. But a fragging rock?
And for Caldari to fight for it makes absolutely no sense. Caldari may be "war like" and have an advanced military, but thats only because they are small and want to maintain peace. The last thing most Caldari want is to lose a market. And the Federation is simply to big of a market to risk for sentimentality. Most Caldari don't like the Empire (Wasnt that long ago that the Amarr tried to enslave everybody) either but they will do practically anything for a market.
And a Caldari so militant that they would risk damaging business on that scale, would be as popular as an Amarrian atheist 
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:42:00 -
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Raptor,
see, I see Caldari as primarily Status motivated. As in, status in the corp, status in Caldari society. The easiest way to achieve that is through obtaining wealth. That's why they're so focussed on business, if they're succesful, they get bigger status, etc, etc.
Now, if someone were to declare a war on the Gallente, they had better succeed. To fail is an abhorrent concept to a Caldari.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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