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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 04:03:00 -
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yes, to all This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:09:00 -
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Vanyr Andrard wrote:Is sustained 240m isk an hour, per account ratting in null sec, actually the correct figure, or is this just made-up numbers?
It's a made-up figure. Most you can get sustained is ~120-150M/hour by blitzing anomalies in a Vindicator. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:24:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:People do use POS arrays, in highsec, using alts. Safer keeping your blueprints under CONCORD's protection then somewhere where they could be torn down, right?
If you watched the Fanfest 2012 presentation on industry, you'll notice that regions held by Stain Empire, a 455-man alliance, had more in-house industrial activity then most of the CFC.
"they build titans in nullsec, surely nullsec industry is fine right?" This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:25:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Which is why Frigates shouldn't be able to threaten capitals at all....
they don't This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:39:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Andski wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Which is why Frigates shouldn't be able to threaten capitals at all....
they don't Ahuh
The Naglfar and Nidhoggur in those killmails were abandoned, hope this helps This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:48:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Same here. Apparently, those who only do pew pew are too poor to afford such a thing.
Except you don't need to buy minerals in Jita, run them by freighter to a station where you have a building character with standings, build a gigantic pile of T1 425mm railguns, shove them into a jump freighter, run the JF to a nullsec refinery station, reprocess the railguns, move the raw minerals into a freighter and run them back and forth from the refinery to the building array to get anything done. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:49:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:On the contrary, Goons are likely the most heavily invested in industrial infrastructure of any alliance in the game. They just don't do it in nullsec because to do so would simply be inefficient and insufficient for their needs. The best practice for nullsec alliances, as proven by the most logistically advanced and successful ones, is to merely manufacture all needed goods in highsec, then ship the completed product to their 0.0 deployment base. For a good contrast, you can compare their outsourced logistical strength to an alliance that has invested vast amounts into nullsec infrastructure - CVA.
We have people here going on about how nullsec industry is fine because paying 23 bil for a profoundly inferior version of what highseccers get for free in every system is balanced in their mind.
This is correct, most of the actual work in building a super/titan is done, surprise surprise, in hisec.
edit: okay that part is usually crowdsourced to pubbies who haul high collateral for peanuts but you get my point This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:51:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:That is mistake #1.
Uh, only large market hubs can supply the minerals needed for 0.0 industrial projects of any consequence. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:00:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Damage is damage, doesn't matter if its abandoned or occupied as there will be a killmail either way. Hope this helps.
Uh huh. If I abandoned my Nyx somewhere and some jokers decided to have a field day on it with 18 Velators, they might take forever to chew through its tank, but it'll eventually pop.
Now, actively piloted, they'd have to stay at least 8.3km away since my smartbomb would pop them in 2-3 pulses - likely forcing them to shoot me from full falloff, they'd have to chew through a lot more EHP, they'd have to put up with my neuts and tackle, and, well, they can't tackle me so I could simply warp off. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Andski wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:That is mistake #1. Uh, only large market hubs can supply the minerals needed for 0.0 industrial projects of any consequence. Oh, that's right. You guys won't mine in null for some reason........... 
okay buddy let's just go right ahead and mine up
3,576,344,538 Tritanium 876,847,997 Pyerite 300,726,828 Mexallon 53,445,221 Isogen 15,574,872 Nocxium 2,693,963 Zydrine 1,369,670 Megacyte
to build a grand total of
one erebus This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:13:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Oh, i understand all that. Just trying to make the distinction between them being forced to get their ore from a hisec hub and it just being more convenient for them to do so.
I think in many ways the ease at which jump freighters can ferry things from hisec to 0.0 screws up the game.
Because the alternative is simply burnout express? This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5202
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:17:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Jump freighters merely exacerbate an already existing problem, that being the gross inequity of highsec vs. nullsec industrial capacity.
"Guys, people run jump freighters loaded with stuff from hisec to nullsec because 0.0 industry is crap, what should CCP do? Nerf jump freighters, of course" This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:20:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:Let's not play the "it's not fair" otherwise I'm going to ask for ihubs in highsec systems. There are many benefits in 0.0 we do not have.
Except there are so many benefits of hisec that 0.0 will never have and you take for granted. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:35:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Giant industrial alliances would probably pop up to supply people in 0.0, which would make the game that much more interesting.
Carebear alliances tend to be the ones that end up as target practice if not steamrolled out of 0.0 entirely. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.19 02:11:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:When WHO showed up?
We know who was first. We know what happened.
Who owns it now?
It was all part of ze plan. I waz der.
As hilarious as your conspiracy theory is, I doubt the World Health Organization had any part in taking the old NC's space. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.21 04:56:00 -
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the last time I lost a ship to an NPC was when i unknowingly jumped a bait stabber into an incursion system
the old northern coalition was still a thing at the time too This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.23 10:10:00 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Actually it was regarding the concept of movement between regions which sparks conflict drivers. But hey read into it what you want. Having all that behind a Great Wall with intel channels a mile long reporting anyone nearby certainly wouldnt be a conflict driver seeing as nothing would get moved between regions. Using the jump freighters and freighter killmails that regularly dot evekill and battleclinic and other killboards filled with raw and processed goods from high sec or from null going to and from the market makes this an incredibly poignant source of conflict drivers. One your asking to be taken away from most null sec.
So wrong ideas and concepts seem to be your range of target acquisition and your hitting for wrecking shots.
You mean the jump freighters that undock from 4-4, jump to a lowsec cyno on a station, dock up, undock, jump to another station, and so on until they're at their destination? The only time jump freighters are actually at risk, outside of exploits, client crashes, disconnects, lag and so forth, is when they are moving goods from nullsec back into hisec, since they have to take gates through hisec. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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