All you pixel hard men are going to have to come to terms with the fact that not all Eve players like hardcore PVP and simply want the PVE experience. I like to grind missions and mine. some times when I feel froggy I go on a lil pvp gang. Stop trying to change high sec and make low and null sec more lucrative.

Also guys like this want to compete against players that have appplied all thier skill points in mining and indy and not pvp. So yea why not open it up and let them have at all those skilled pvpers in hi-sec. /sarcasam off

They moan about the ease of manufacturing and researching in empire... when they've got enough moons and wealth to setup their own stations and equalize the playing field in terms of cheap capacity.

Like in any other public forum, those who are actually speaking their minds tend to be the most extreme on both sides.

I'll bet all my ISK that the majority of EVE players who don't have anything to do with this forum just want to play the game and could care less about any of these issues beyond having fun and making some ISK. They just want to continue to do what they do in-game, getting used to the new features and changes as they come.

Too much energy and passion is wasted on the endless bickering and "my way or else" attitude. THAT will drive the casual players away faster than anything.

lmfao

hey Asuka please send 24 billion isk so i can set up one station that has less functionality then one of the literally thousands of free stations in highsec?
i promise you rich rewards in scandium for your efforts

Confirming the obvious: People who won't take time to read about issues don't care about those issues in the majority of cases. There's an old axiom that explains this: Ignorance is bliss.

I like how if somebody thinks there's not enough risk in high-sec, perhaps due to power creep, suddenly that person wants people to play "my way or else."

That's a strawman fallacy you generated there, Krixtal Icefluxor.

The two positions aren't the same.

Hi-Sec
I don't think there is anything wrong with hi-sec either. There is near zero risk and the rewards are near zero as well. If you manage to grind 20 mil an hour mining in hi-sec (even if its afk)... and you can grind 20 mil ratting in 0.0 in 5 mins, then the risk/reward balance is not out of synch at all. They moan about the ease of manufacturing and researching in empire... when they've got enough moons and wealth to setup their own stations and equalize the playing field in terms of cheap capacity.

This right here is the core of the issue. Right now there is not enough of an increase in income for players who swap from running L4s to running anoms in null. When you include the inevitable dockings and pauses caused by neutrals in system, your isk/hr is fairly similar in high sec as it is in null. Who would choose null over high in these circumstances?

However the common solution (buff null sec ratting bounties by enough to make a difference, 40% of so) is not viable. Right now we are dealing with crippling inflation, the last thing we need is to increase an existing isk faucet. Instead, high sec bounties need to be nerfed by 10/20%, and null sec bounties need to be increased by a similar amount. This will make null sec ratting much more profitable in relation to L4s, which is appropriate for the increased risk you face there, without kicking inflation up another gear.

If you suggest this to your average carebear of the high sec variety, they instantly go into defensive mode, and start throwing around phrases like 'null sec zealot'. 'stop telling me how to play the sandbox', and accusations that everyone who isn't them is a goon. The hype soon spreads, and threads like this soon appear, much to the amusement of anyone with more than two brain cells.

Hi-Sec
I don't think there is anything wrong with hi-sec either. There is near zero risk and the rewards are near zero as well. If you manage to grind 20 mil an hour mining in hi-sec (even if its afk)... and you can grind 20 mil ratting in 0.0 in 5 mins, then the risk/reward balance is not out of synch at all.

They moan about the ease of manufacturing and researching in empire... when they've got enough moons and wealth to setup their own stations and equalize the playing field in terms of cheap capacity.

Damn vagrants.

Go grind some.

I made 100 mil an hour last night doing incursions in a ship way to shiney to risk in null sec. you must have been in Hi-sec on the test server or something.

Ahuh.

In Incursions.... that spawn in all zones except whs. Real reason to pick on empire there.....

I'll bet you, if you moved that pimpmobile of yours out to 0.0 and ran some there, you'd probably make the same isk.

If you had the ballz.

Why should I when I can access a station with higher efficiency and more slots for free in highsec?
Most players in New Eden have asked themselves that and decide to just do it in highsec.

But if you don't have balls, then why go to a place that requires balls when I can stay in a place where no balls are needed and still make the same?

Ahuh.

In Incursions.... that spawn in all zones except whs. Real reason to pick on empire there.....

I'll bet you, if you moved that pimpmobile of yours out to 0.0 and ran some there, you'd probably make the same isk.

If you had the ballz.

Touche.

Just remove incursions from empire. Watch me care.

ROFL you don't know who you're talking to do you. My null sec mach and tengu combo would blah blah blah.....

Wrong:

Ship losses by security status

One problem: Apples to oranges. So let's fix that one.

GǣThere is near zero risk and the rewards are far from zero as well. If you manage to grind 20 mil an hour mining in hi-sec (even if its afk)... and you can grind 20 mil mining in 0.0 in 5 mins, then the risk/reward balance is not out of synch at all.GǥGǪ but since you can't, the risk vs reward balance is indeed out of synch.

By function of the mechanics, no. Neither the capacity nor the cost will ever be equal. As in: the game does not allow it to happen.

Since we're now comparing apples to apples without the presence of 0.0 ice interdiction that puts pressure on supply, lets compare oranges to oranges shall we?

Isk p/h Ratting in hi-sec vs isk p/h ratting in null.
6-luv to null.

Explain to me why null stations shouldn't get a boost?

So they finally released figures on that.

The vastly higher number of ships being lost in hisec may not be entirely PvP related, but it still goes to show hisec is already plenty risky, and 'carebears' are fine with it. The idea there's no risk or little risk involved with hisec activities is a myth.

Ratting in highsec (aka missions) Gëê Ratting in null.

Explain to me why I should entertain a strawman argument.

Hi-Sec
I don't think there is anything wrong with hi-sec either. There is near zero risk and the rewards are near zero as well. If you manage to grind 20 mil an hour mining in hi-sec (even if its afk)... and you can grind 20 mil ratting in 0.0 in 5 mins

Is sustained 240m isk an hour, per account ratting in null sec, actually the correct figure, or is this just made-up numbers?

Real question.

Apples and Bananas

You dont have to if you can't be asked to. So I'll just ignore your prior observation.