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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
1469
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:55:00 -
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Doddy wrote:People complain about hi sec simply because null is broken.
Fix null. Don't break high sec to make null look more appealing.
"Ok we have two piles of ****, but the one on the left doesn't stink as bad as the one on the right..."
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Bane Necran
548
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:56:00 -
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Andski wrote:Uh, only large market hubs can supply the minerals needed for 0.0 industrial projects of any consequence.
It's only that way because hardly anyone in 0.0 mines.
"It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
310
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:58:00 -
[213] - Quote
CCP could masisvely boost 0.0 without hurting high sec at all if they just gave all outposts the benefits of the 4 current racial ones with added a racial bonus for each, then made the station upgrade process less lol.
So all outposts with the current industrial capacity of amarr, science capacity of caldari, refinery of minmatar and offices of gallente. Give racial bonus to factory slots/science slots/refinery efficiency/offices.
Of course to balance this they should make outposts destructable, we can but dream. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
935
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:59:00 -
[214] - Quote
Andski wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:That is mistake #1. Uh, only large market hubs can supply the minerals needed for 0.0 industrial projects of any consequence.
Oh, that's right. You guys won't mine in null for some reason........... |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5202
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:00:00 -
[215] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Damage is damage, doesn't matter if its abandoned or occupied as there will be a killmail either way. Hope this helps.
Uh huh. If I abandoned my Nyx somewhere and some jokers decided to have a field day on it with 18 Velators, they might take forever to chew through its tank, but it'll eventually pop.
Now, actively piloted, they'd have to stay at least 8.3km away since my smartbomb would pop them in 2-3 pulses - likely forcing them to shoot me from full falloff, they'd have to chew through a lot more EHP, they'd have to put up with my neuts and tackle, and, well, they can't tackle me so I could simply warp off.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10004
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:01:00 -
[216] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Andski wrote:Uh, only large market hubs can supply the minerals needed for 0.0 industrial projects of any consequence. It's only that way because hardly anyone in 0.0 mines. It's that way because mining in 0.0 is a good way of wasting time and money.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
1959
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:02:00 -
[217] - Quote
Bane Necran and Kristal seem to think lack of incentive to mine in 0.0 is some sort of moral victory instead of a design flaw with the game |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
1470
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:03:00 -
[218] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Andski wrote:Uh, only large market hubs can supply the minerals needed for 0.0 industrial projects of any consequence. It's only that way because hardly anyone in 0.0 mines.
You have to think about it from their point of view. Why mine when you can make vastly more money doing something else like run a sanctum and send a jump freighter to Jita to grab the minerals you need in far less time and still have money left over to stuff down the g-string of the local Gallente stripper. Meanwhile the poor miner is still trying to get a fraction of the miners needed for the project.
Which option sounds more fun to you?
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Jim Era
5539
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:04:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Andski wrote:Uh, only large market hubs can supply the minerals needed for 0.0 industrial projects of any consequence. It's only that way because hardly anyone in 0.0 mines. You have to think about it from their point of view. Why mine when you can make vastly more money doing something else like run a sanctum and send a jump freighter to Jita to grab the minerals you need in far less time and still have money left over to stuff down the g-string of the local Gallente stripper. Meanwhile the poor miner is still trying to get a fraction of the miners needed for the project. Which option sounds more fun to you?
Mining and being poor > Gallente |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5202
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Andski wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:That is mistake #1. Uh, only large market hubs can supply the minerals needed for 0.0 industrial projects of any consequence. Oh, that's right. You guys won't mine in null for some reason...........
okay buddy let's just go right ahead and mine up
3,576,344,538 Tritanium
876,847,997 Pyerite
300,726,828 Mexallon
53,445,221 Isogen
15,574,872 Nocxium
2,693,963 Zydrine
1,369,670 Megacyte
to build a grand total of
one erebus
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Bane Necran
548
|
Posted - 2012.10.18 21:11:00 -
[221] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:You have to think about it from their point of view. Why mine when you can make vastly more money doing something else like run a sanctum and send a jump freighter to Jita to grab the minerals you need in far less time and still have money left over to stuff down the g-string of the local Gallente stripper. Meanwhile the poor miner is still trying to get a fraction of the miners needed for the project.
Which option sounds more fun to you?
Oh, i understand all that. Just trying to make the distinction between them being forced to get their ore from a hisec hub and it just being more convenient for them to do so.
I think in many ways the ease at which jump freighters can ferry things from hisec to 0.0 screws up the game.
"It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
41
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:12:00 -
[222] - Quote
Hi sec to me represents to EvE what Trammel represented to Ultima Online. An area of extreme relative safety with no discernible danger to be wary of. It throws the entire game spectrum out of whack.
Imagine if there was just low sec and null sec. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5202
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:13:00 -
[223] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Oh, i understand all that. Just trying to make the distinction between them being forced to get their ore from a hisec hub and it just being more convenient for them to do so.
I think in many ways the ease at which jump freighters can ferry things from hisec to 0.0 screws up the game.
Because the alternative is simply burnout express?
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
1960
|
Posted - 2012.10.18 21:15:00 -
[224] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:
Oh, i understand all that. Just trying to make the distinction between them being forced to get their ore from a hisec hub and it just being more convenient for them to do so.
I think in many ways the ease at which jump freighters can ferry things from hisec to 0.0 screws up the game.
It's more then convenient, it's necessary. Because if you don't, and instead try to 'build your own ships for free' in 0.0 or whatever, you are quickly crushed and sent back to highsec by alliances who adopt the more efficient practice of buying their minerals/goods in highsec and shipping them down.
Jump freighters merely exacerbate an already existing problem, that being the gross inequity of highsec vs. nullsec industrial capacity. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5202
|
Posted - 2012.10.18 21:17:00 -
[225] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Jump freighters merely exacerbate an already existing problem, that being the gross inequity of highsec vs. nullsec industrial capacity.
"Guys, people run jump freighters loaded with stuff from hisec to nullsec because 0.0 industry is crap, what should CCP do? Nerf jump freighters, of course"
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
1470
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:17:00 -
[226] - Quote
Activities in null:
1. Make out with January Playboy model.
2. Make out with February Playboy model.
3. Make out with March Playboy model.
4. Make out with April Playboy model.
5. Make out with May Playboy model.
6. Make out with June Playboy model.
7. Make out with July Playboy model.
8. Make out with August Playboy model.
9. Make out with September Playboy model.
10. Make out with October Playboy model.
11. Make out with November Playboy model.
12. Make out with December Playboy model.
13. Make out with the business and of a 12 gauge shotgun. (mining)
Pick one.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
1960
|
Posted - 2012.10.18 21:18:00 -
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csm 5 at its finest
csm 7 is close, with Seleene going on about "all i care about industry is that it gives me the ships i need to pew pew" *discusses CSM protocol for 40 pages* |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
414
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:18:00 -
[228] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
We have people here going on about how nullsec industry is fine because paying 23 bil for a profoundly inferior version of what highseccers get for free in every system is balanced in their mind.
Let's not play the "it's not fair" otherwise I'm going to ask for ihubs in highsec systems. There are many benefits in 0.0 we do not have.
And anyway, as I said, even when it comes to manufacturing etc, I, as do many, many others, STILL do my work at a POS. I've never used stations in high or 0.0 unless I had something small and quick and slot was free.
In fact, I started life in 0.0 in an alliance that didn't even have a station and we all did just fine. My next stint at manufacturing was building a DS manu POS in 0.4 lowsec, a second one in 0.2, mining and building caps. Not at a station, at a damn POS in lowsec.
Maybe we need to take a little peek at 0.0 station taxes/fees as a possible disincentive.
I do recall spending a lot of coin to get a Rorqual in, multiple Hulks, putting together a heap of pilots as Indy Exec of a corp and then being told I couldn't have a refinery array. "Use the station" I was told. pfftt - 40% gone.
So what did I do. I jumped the Rorqual back to my private lowsec tower, took it to highsec to refine and jumped it back. A stupid and unneccessary inconvenience. It proved to be too risky and too much work because of alliance rules, not lack of infrastructure.
I make the call that some of you 0.0 indy's just want easymode and part of the problem is alliance rules.
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
338
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:19:00 -
[229] - Quote
Andski wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Jump freighters merely exacerbate an already existing problem, that being the gross inequity of highsec vs. nullsec industrial capacity. "Guys, people run jump freighters loaded with stuff from hisec to nullsec because 0.0 industry is crap, what should CCP do? Nerf jump freighters, of course"
Well, it is a totally backwards way of solving the capacity issue. You can't really complain about not having slots when you can't pull resources fast enough to fill the ones you have. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5202
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:20:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:Let's not play the "it's not fair" otherwise I'm going to ask for ihubs in highsec systems. There are many benefits in 0.0 we do not have.
Except there are so many benefits of hisec that 0.0 will never have and you take for granted.
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Jim Era
5540
|
Posted - 2012.10.18 21:21:00 -
[231] - Quote
Andski wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:Let's not play the "it's not fair" otherwise I'm going to ask for ihubs in highsec systems. There are many benefits in 0.0 we do not have.
Except there are so many benefits of hisec that 0.0 will never have and you take for granted.
If you want to live in hi-sec, you are more than welcome to join us.
Anyone is welcome here.
Because this is a sandbox, do whatever you want :D |
Fatgai Udan
n3wbcorp
Caldari Industrialist Association
1
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:21:00 -
[232] - Quote
Alexa Coates wrote:the real problem is all the assholes in low/null chased everyone out so now they're whining and crying to have everyone forced into low/null so they can shoot them.
Well said, my good sir |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
1960
|
Posted - 2012.10.18 21:22:00 -
[233] - Quote
Jim Era wrote:Andski wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:Let's not play the "it's not fair" otherwise I'm going to ask for ihubs in highsec systems. There are many benefits in 0.0 we do not have.
Except there are so many benefits of hisec that 0.0 will never have and you take for granted. If you want to live in hi-sec, you are more than welcome to join us.
they did like years ago man, try to keep up with this thread |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
952
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:23:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Activities in null:
1. Make out with January Playboy model.
2. Make out with February Playboy model.
3. Make out with March Playboy model.
4. Make out with April Playboy model.
5. Make out with May Playboy model.
6. Make out with June Playboy model.
7. Make out with July Playboy model.
8. Make out with August Playboy model.
9. Make out with September Playboy model.
10. Make out with October Playboy model.
11. Make out with November Playboy model.
12. Make out with December Playboy model.
13. Make out with the business and of a 12 gauge shotgun. (mining)
Pick one.
I'll need you to link pictures of 1-12 in order to make an informed decision.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
1960
|
Posted - 2012.10.18 21:25:00 -
[235] - Quote
Touval Lysander wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
We have people here going on about how nullsec industry is fine because paying 23 bil for a profoundly inferior version of what highseccers get for free in every system is balanced in their mind.
Let's not play the "it's not fair" otherwise I'm going to ask for ihubs in highsec systems. There are many benefits in 0.0 we do not have.
you already have them, they are called 'level 4 missions' and not only are they deployed, maintained and defended for free, they are infinite in supply (as opposed to ihub-generated anomalies which can only support a handful of users per system).
hth |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
414
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:26:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:You have to think about it from their point of view. Why mine when you can make vastly more money doing something else like run a sanctum and send a jump freighter to Jita to grab the minerals you need in far less time and still have money left over to stuff down the g-string of the local Gallente stripper. Meanwhile the poor miner is still trying to get a fraction of the miners needed for the project.
Which option sounds more fun to you? Oh, i understand all that. Just trying to make the distinction between them being forced to get their ore from a hisec hub and it just being more convenient for them to do so. I think in many ways the ease at which jump freighters can ferry things from hisec to 0.0 screws up the game.
They need to take a serious peek at refinery arrays first and foremost.
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Jim Era
5540
|
Posted - 2012.10.18 21:30:00 -
[237] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
they did like years ago man, try to keep up with this thread
I am just coming here because it seems to be the only thread moving.
I could care less what happens, if bad **** happens then I'll leave EVE.
If good stuff happens I probably won't notice and continue to play.
I'm just randomly posting based on the 2-3 replies above me. |
Bane Necran
549
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Posted - 2012.10.18 21:33:00 -
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Andski wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Oh, i understand all that. Just trying to make the distinction between them being forced to get their ore from a hisec hub and it just being more convenient for them to do so.
I think in many ways the ease at which jump freighters can ferry things from hisec to 0.0 screws up the game. Because the alternative is simply burnout express?
I still like mining a lot after years of it  It's a bit like fishing to me.
Have L4s down to a science and could make better isk doing them, but i still prefer to mine these days. Even when i've lived in 0.0 i mined.
I know i can't be alone on that, and if it wasn't so easy to just get minerals and things from hisec players like me would have more of a place in 0.0. Giant industrial alliances would probably pop up to supply people in 0.0, which would make the game that much more interesting.
"It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5202
|
Posted - 2012.10.18 21:35:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Giant industrial alliances would probably pop up to supply people in 0.0, which would make the game that much more interesting.
Carebear alliances tend to be the ones that end up as target practice if not steamrolled out of 0.0 entirely.
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Bane Necran
549
|
Posted - 2012.10.18 21:38:00 -
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Andski wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Giant industrial alliances would probably pop up to supply people in 0.0, which would make the game that much more interesting. Carebear alliances tend to be the ones that end up as target practice if not steamrolled out of 0.0 entirely.
If they want to do the mining and manufacturing themselves that would be a good idea. Otherwise it's not.
"It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
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