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Marion DeNemisis
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:00:00 -
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to many silly small corps declare wars on aliances, why ? to gank some nice haulers in empire i supose... not like atuk who actually went for everything that was aliance stuff. KUDOS atuk. however a corp of 15 menn declared war on fix at. how silly is that ? would denmark ( pop 5 mill ) declare war on usa wich has a way hugh number of pop.. i think not.. its silly its posible.. aliances should only be able to fight each other.. as in aliance wars. not by 1 corp... its pure silly... if the corp wanna have war i sugest they go into our space instead of gank in empire. and do some pirat activity or hell as atuk does atm in fix space... empire wars from a corp who only wants to hit on indies are stupid... there should be other ways...
final sugestion to the corp who has started a war:
Go to A2 and gank our indies cumming down... then u perhaps get a litlle respect... like the good lads who fight us atm atuk evol rkk Kudos to those..
ps this is not flamebait but a statement that ccp should fix this problem and fix my bad grama too if pos. i might need a 14+ inteligence implant fo that thou... then again im danish so im allowed to have bad gramma u guys should try type danish
men det fatter alle jo nok ikke <---- all repeat...
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siim
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: siim on 28/03/2005 09:38:32
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Adam C
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:03:00 -
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Anywhoo we all know the wardec system aint perfect, we will see improvements in time.
Regards
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Marion DeNemisis
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:22:00 -
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ummm..... the most silly part is that emperiel haulers just go out of corp and are in n00b corps while wars are on... that shouldent be posible either...
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DJTheBaron
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:42:00 -
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being in an alliance should not make you invunerable to small disputes and corp wars
why dont you guys declare on your enemies and remove them form the game instead of w hining when they dec u and u cant defend urself
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.03.24 13:21:00 -
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Pre-EXODUS, alliance would say "Yeah, wardec us! We will blob you to death, damn mercs!"
Post-EXODUS, we are hardpressed to find any targets...
I think alliances need to look in the mirror before accusing everyone and their mothers :)
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.03.24 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/03/2005 13:58:08
Tell us which corp war'dec'ed you and we'll kill them as well just for the hell of it.
Between FIX and RKK/BNC/RN we'll they'll never get past a2- :)
EDIT: I just had a thought.. if it's The Wolves or any of our other friends then you are on your own :p
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:29:00 -
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the alliances should have the possibility to create their own empire in 0.0, but for having it being attackable everywhere - there are several great ideas alrdy
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Pehova Mindtriq on 24/03/2005 15:20:07
I think its a good idea. If a small corp decides that they should pick on an alliance go to 0.0 then. There should be something good about being in an alliance and right now there isn't imo. But i fear the day that happens(if it does) thou, mercs will spam the forums with stuff like "I will quit eve cause i can't gank haulers in yulai"- sort of threads.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:21:00 -
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Well what can ccp do? If they make only aliances able to declare on other aliances then a hell of a lot of pirates and going to be joining Whoda's Asian Delights corporation.
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:24:00 -
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Just for the record seeing as FIX has come up........ FIX doesnt know who the hell this alt is and does not condone the use of alts to post on the eve-online forums.
Furthermore, FIX has just been through a period where we had multiple empire wars declared against us, one more is neither here nor there ....
Thankyou.
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Hobbsalong
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:28:00 -
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Hey if 0.0 becomes l33t. It will mean blob fest for everyone in 0.0
Node drops anyone?
I like how with small fights of 6-12 ppl groups on either side in empire pan out.
In CA vs SA/Xetic, the fleet battles almost always ended with forum posts about how bad the lag had been. How half the people couldnt click modules and then dropped only to not be able to log back on.
However, if 0.0 becomes such a big deal, I'm sure the Pvpers (pirates to Xetic) could just band together again and fight it out blob vs blob.
Also, unlike today when its hard to find any Xetic haulers/noob ships with megacyte on the route into empire, we migth find some more :p
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2005.03.24 19:06:00 -
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Might be good to drop the RL politics. Having said that i want to add that 0.0 will get more attractive for people and their small corps if they can't pick on alliances in empire. You camplain about the blobs alliances can put up but ganking a hauler with 15 man inty fleet in 1.0 is okey. Declaring war against an alliance should be a challange not like it is now.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.03.25 08:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
Might be good to drop the RL politics. Having said that i want to add that 0.0 will get more attractive for people and their small corps if they can't pick on alliances in empire. You camplain about the blobs alliances can put up but ganking a hauler with 15 man inty fleet in 1.0 is okey. Declaring war against an alliance should be a challange not like it is now.
Yeah well who's fault is that?
It's the alliance that refuse to get organised or stay out of empire. Instead they rather whine and try to twist CCP's arm to help them out since they are so 'important' in the game.
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2005.03.25 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
Might be good to drop the RL politics. Having said that i want to add that 0.0 will get more attractive for people and their small corps if they can't pick on alliances in empire. You camplain about the blobs alliances can put up but ganking a hauler with 15 man inty fleet in 1.0 is okey. Declaring war against an alliance should be a challange not like it is now.
Yeah well who's fault is that?
It's the alliance that refuse to get organised or stay out of empire. Instead they rather whine and try to twist CCP's arm to help them out since they are so 'important' in the game.
Well right now many 0.0 regions need empire services while those in empire don't need 0.0. If a empire corp declares on an alliance they benefit from it more. The empire corp don't have to move that far just sit outside 1.0 stations while the allaince pvpers have to move to you just to get a fight. What is the point of an alliance if they have to be in yulai to fight? And yes alliances are important in this game.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.03.26 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
Originally by: Tobiaz
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
Might be good to drop the RL politics. Having said that i want to add that 0.0 will get more attractive for people and their small corps if they can't pick on alliances in empire. You camplain about the blobs alliances can put up but ganking a hauler with 15 man inty fleet in 1.0 is okey. Declaring war against an alliance should be a challange not like it is now.
Yeah well who's fault is that?
It's the alliance that refuse to get organised or stay out of empire. Instead they rather whine and try to twist CCP's arm to help them out since they are so 'important' in the game.
Well right now many 0.0 regions need empire services while those in empire don't need 0.0. If a empire corp declares on an alliance they benefit from it more. The empire corp don't have to move that far just sit outside 1.0 stations while the allaince pvpers have to move to you just to get a fight. What is the point of an alliance if they have to be in yulai to fight? And yes alliances are important in this game.
Appearently the allainces rather continue to complain about the game not suiting their goals the best anymore and instead of adapting.
Alliances can't cope with numerous small corps declaring war on them (funny how it are mainly the southern allainces whining here).
Alliances need to be in empire to function due to lacking 0.0 services like slots, cloning and repairing.
Alliances no longer make the most money by mining and farming in 0.0. It's mass agent wh*ring in Rens instead.
Allainces get basically nothing more then some useless channels and maillinglists, a cool logo for the early birds and a colored blip on the map for the ones that actually mean more then a hobby project.
So why are these alliances still existing I ask you?
If you don't like how the game favours people not in alliances, then what is the most logical action?
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.03.26 12:00:00 -
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The most logical action is to ask the developers of the game why they choose to support alliances, just to bring them down immidiatly, of course!
And it's mostly the southern alliances complaining because the northern alliances, if you'll excuse me, has a very short life-span even in 0.0 only conflicts. Southern alliances, meaning XF and SE, are still around and growing. Because they are large, they naturally get weaker on avarage. EVE doesn't support super large organisations and safety through numbers. As they grow larger, they are the natural targets of griefers and pirates with nothing better to do than to shoot easy targets.
Wars on (large) alliances should be exclusive for alliances and mercenaries. Griefers will have to go to alliances 0.0 regions and take them on there.
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CEO Rockhound
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Posted - 2005.03.27 00:34:00 -
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3-3.5 years ago, there where talk about EvE in my Planetarion alliance. A lot of people from hirr (think they are active in FA) where talking about the game, and that was even before it made 'alfa'. Planetarion had just been destroyed by the big alliances, and everyone was sad.
EVE seemed to be the salvation , and we knew that Fury, Legion and Titan etc etc where planing to enter the world of Eve. A few of us wondered why bother to play a game against them organised players that we could never defeat.. Someone from hirr had some knowledge about the game and its creators...
He informed us that the Admins and creators whould take more the role as 'gods' in the game, and make sure it was angled into a way that made sure NO big alliance whould ruin the game for everyone else.
The way I see it, the devs are doing just that.
Since the small corps have all the advantages over the big enteties in the game, they make sure noone is to powerfull. Xetic Federation are the biggest most powerfull and leathal force in the game. However, they are not in any position to 'RULE' the world, because my grandmother and 15 of her friends could make a total mess of a MAJOR part of theire alliance. By declareing war on them, and sit with 5 frigs in 3 systems.. like in Agil, Tew, Z-H2MA, then even safespotted with 1 informant in the n00b corp at each gate, they can tie up and petrify a huge part of the alliance.
Now, that is what I call PURE genious from the creators side. IF they made a way that the HUGE alliance had the upperhand in a war situation, the game whould slide to where there is only 1 place to be members, and the game whould die.
Now, any 15 man corp can strike gold, get a tech 2 ship BPO, sell it, get a LOT of isk, and hire BDI, fricken laser junkies and theire grandmothers to attack whoever they want..
I think, they should keep it just like this, but, 2 things should be changed.
1: Sentry Guns should be activated against ANYONE doing agressive stuff in 1.0, even if they are at war.
2: War declarations that are NOT mutual should cost 250 mill.
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Lokes Tynamus
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Posted - 2005.03.27 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: CEO Rockhound
3-3.5 years ago, there where talk about EvE in my Planetarion alliance. A lot of people from hirr (think they are active in FA) where talking about the game, and that was even before it made 'alfa'. Planetarion had just been destroyed by the big alliances, and everyone was sad.
EVE seemed to be the salvation , and we knew that Fury, Legion and Titan etc etc where planing to enter the world of Eve. A few of us wondered why bother to play a game against them organised players that we could never defeat.. Someone from hirr had some knowledge about the game and its creators...
He informed us that the Admins and creators whould take more the role as 'gods' in the game, and make sure it was angled into a way that made sure NO big alliance whould ruin the game for everyone else.
The way I see it, the devs are doing just that.
Since the small corps have all the advantages over the big enteties in the game, they make sure noone is to powerfull. Xetic Federation are the biggest most powerfull and leathal force in the game. However, they are not in any position to 'RULE' the world, because my grandmother and 15 of her friends could make a total mess of a MAJOR part of theire alliance. By declareing war on them, and sit with 5 frigs in 3 systems.. like in Agil, Tew, Z-H2MA, then even safespotted with 1 informant in the n00b corp at each gate, they can tie up and petrify a huge part of the alliance.
Now, that is what I call PURE genious from the creators side. IF they made a way that the HUGE alliance had the upperhand in a war situation, the game whould slide to where there is only 1 place to be members, and the game whould die.
Now, any 15 man corp can strike gold, get a tech 2 ship BPO, sell it, get a LOT of isk, and hire BDI, fricken laser junkies and theire grandmothers to attack whoever they want..
I think, they should keep it just like this, but, 2 things should be changed.
1: Sentry Guns should be activated against ANYONE doing agressive stuff in 1.0, even if they are at war.
2: War declarations that are NOT mutual should cost 250 mill.
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Be gentle on me..
I am just a lowlife alt.
After experiencing the wrath of Fury, Xanadu and Legion in Planetarion myself, I would have to agree with you completely.
Power in numbers is great, but the larger the organization, the more challenging it is to manage. imo that is being represented very well in eve. But I feel there are many that have not been able to adequately adapt as they grow, instead expecting it to get easier for them. It doesn't happen IRL, why would EVE be any different?
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Voss Matsu
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Posted - 2005.03.28 01:38:00 -
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Quote:
the alliances should have the possibility to create their own empire in 0.0,
Now there's an idea, it should be able to happen.
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Cowboy
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Posted - 2005.03.28 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Pre-EXODUS, alliance would say "Yeah, wardec us! We will blob you to death, damn mercs!"
Post-EXODUS, we are hardpressed to find any targets...
I think alliances need to look in the mirror before accusing everyone and their mothers :)
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.03.28 02:26:00 -
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it's that time of month again, siim and leno switched corps... 
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Romulus Maximus
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Posted - 2005.03.28 07:20:00 -
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Feel the <3
I think its only right small corps can war dec alliances. U wanna sit in 0.0 getting fat, u need to first take anything anyone can throw at u.
Yes, eventually with enough decs u cant hold on any longer. Thats part of the game,no alliance is ever gonna just leave 0.0 and let someone else have a turn are they? So they get targetted, by some just because they can, others because they want their land.
Either way its part of the game, i wish more corps would come to 0.0. Atm is pretty much a waste of space, sitting empty and un used.
Whoever the corp is, gl, may many more have the balls to do it (thats to anyone not just FIX)
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Domatavus Fallatus
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Posted - 2005.03.28 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Leno
Originally by: Drexciyian
Edited by: Drexciyian on 24/03/2005 14:55:58
Originally by: Marion DeNemisis
how silly is that ? would denmark ( pop 5 mill ) declare war on usa wich has a way hugh number of pop.. i think not..
1) USA can protect themselfs, FIX obv cant as they have an alt whining about it on the forum.
2) A small band of Arabs did attack the USA and the USA havent been able to do much back, not unlike the 15man corp you speak off
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stupidity hurts...
forum ban already in place?
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TIvian
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Posted - 2005.03.28 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tholarim
it's that time of month again, siim and leno switched corps...
HEY THOL YOU H00KER!!! be nice he's with us now. He is just looking for a good corp to call home. Now he's found 1.
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Nytemaster
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Posted - 2005.03.28 10:24:00 -
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The whole point of a 0.0 alliance is to stay the hell out of empire altogether. If you have members in empire then maybe they shouldn't be in the alliance. As for all the potential of stations and factories, they could be utilized some much better than they are so that no one had to go to empire for anything, and those that do could have contract out to a neutral corp.
The problem is not in the wars but in how alliances handle their affairs, or should I say a lack thereof.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.03.28 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tholarim
it's that time of month again, siim and leno switched corps...
I think siim has taken over my role as notorious corp. switcher. CLS have kept me for 3 months which is some kind of record.
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zincol
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Posted - 2005.03.28 10:56:00 -
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Alliance wars = Fun in empire.
Hauler ganking? bah who cares.... not only haulers mining barges are better cos they cant shoot back 
Since ccp added alliance wars its really made the game more intresting - Still a big weekly bill for small corps to fight an alliance so i dont see what all the moaning is about 
Just stfu and have fun.
w00t!
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.03.28 11:29:00 -
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what zincol said.
siim keeps having to take out cash to pay the sig makers to make a new sig every week he changes corp....
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Sivona
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Posted - 2005.03.28 13:09:00 -
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I dont think you can compare planetarion and EVE. Planetarion was based on whoever got the upper hand could continue and extend their lead and no place was safe for the losing power block. However there are safe places in eve and eve has so much more depth, which prevents this game being solely based upon military strength.
Power blocks and p2p destroyed planetarion a game i enjoyed and played for a long time but i dont think it can happen in eve. And yes i felt the wrath of fury etc while in a pepsi gal round 5 - ouch is all i can say 
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