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Zyxtyr Chocobo Knights 0	Posted - 2012.10.18 06:57:00 - [1] - Quote No changes to blob warfare, little room for solo or small gang PvP, silly changes to aggression mechanics, dumbing down the entire game so numpties can figure stuff out ..... and now with this latest patch a new fix....... "An issue with the Caldari Achura females bra straps always being visible has now been fixed" Why? What was wrong with the bra strap? All the Caldari Achura women I have met in real life have their bra strap visible....the brand was Accubra. Bring the bra strap back!! Bring back the EVE Online we used to love!
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1312	Posted - 2012.10.18 07:04:00 - [2] - Quote You gots a purdy mouf on yah, boy. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 5139	Posted - 2012.10.18 07:04:00 - [3] - Quote So... bra straps will make you play? GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Follow me on Twitter @Chribba

Nihi Lismus Chaos From Order Manifest Destiny. 88	Posted - 2012.10.18 07:05:00 - [4] - Quote mimimimi... and it always have been so, and we did it that way for hundrets of years! mimimi... are you from bavaria, or why don't you take a look out of your little fluffy box?
Zyxtyr Chocobo Knights 0	Posted - 2012.10.18 07:08:00 - [5] - Quote Nihi Lismus wrote: mimimimi... and it always have been so, and we did it that way for hundrets of years! mimimi... are you from bavaria, or why don't you take a look out of your little fluffy box? ------ yup, and in that time have seen hundreds of flat chested avatars like yours who can't understand the bra strap.
Xercodo Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 1363	Posted - 2012.10.18 07:09:00 - [6] - Quote Zyxtyr wrote: No changes to blob warfare, little room for solo or small gang PvP, silly changes to aggression mechanics, dumbing down the entire game so numpties can figure stuff out ..... and now with this latest patch a new fix....... "An issue with the Caldari Achura females bra straps always being visible has now been fixed" Why? What was wrong with the bra strap? All the Caldari Achura women I have met in real life have their bra strap visible....the brand was Accubra. Bring the bra strap back!! Bring back the EVE Online we used to love! Cause they weren't supposed to be visible when wearing a tank. From how I understand things blob warfare probably won't be touched until they are done with the rebalance on all the ships so that they can work the new roles into the system. The Drake is a Lie
Alice Saki 11764	Posted - 2012.10.18 07:10:00 - [7] - Quote Training WHEELS! Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution 38	Posted - 2012.10.18 07:17:00 - [8] - Quote Zyxtyr wrote: No changes to blob warfare, little room for solo or small gang PvP TBH, I agree with this for the most part. I especially agree with the bolded part. I've been largely inactive for a long time, but after watching the last Alliance Tournament I tried to get myself back into EVE. Unfortunately, I just couldn't gather the enthusiasm I needed. Knowing that pilot skill counts for very little these days, a "small" gang is considered 10-30 people, that the "I-win" button of MWD-ending warp scrambler is still around, and that webs still max at 60% really makes it hard to want to become active again. I could add quite a few more things to the above list such as logistics being a requirement in just about any fight, but it'll do for starters. The simple fact is that the game isn't anywhere near as enjoyable as it once was. I used to continually post suggestions that, IMO, would improve the game and help make it as enjoyable as it once was, but I eventually got tired of tilting at windmills to no effect. After I finally realized the futility of my efforts, I largely gave up trying to get things to change aside from a post or two every few months. It seems to me that the devs' chosen direction for the game is diametrically opposed to what I want to see, and I'm just one tiny voice trying to be heard over the cacophony of their plans for EVE. Moreover, very few of the players still active today ever got to experience EVE the way it was back in the day, so their only conception of the game is its currently-blobby state. As a result, they also naturally object to anything that might return EVE to the sandbox it once was since many of them enjoy the game as it is now. Oh, well. Change is one of the constants in life, and no one ever promised it would be for the better. This jaded and cynical post has been brought to you by my current exhaustion and the fact that I should've gone to bed an hour ago. EDIT: LOL, I just re-read the original post and realized it was a troll. I have failed in epic fashion. I really need to make myself get some sleep - if I can't see through obvious troll posts on first read through, it's time to quit.
Zyxtyr Chocobo Knights 0	Posted - 2012.10.18 07:33:00 - [9] - Quote Wrayeth wrote: Zyxtyr wrote: No changes to blob warfare, little room for solo or small gang PvP TBH, I agree with this for the most part. I especially agree with the bolded part. I've been largely inactive for a long time, but after watching the last Alliance Tournament I tried to get myself back into EVE. Unfortunately, I just couldn't gather the enthusiasm I needed. Knowing that pilot skill counts for very little these days, a "small" gang is considered 10-30 people, that the "I-win" button of MWD-ending warp scrambler is still around, and that webs still max at 60% really makes it hard to want to become active again. I could add quite a few more things to the above list such as logistics being a requirement in just about any fight, but it'll do for starters. The simple fact is that the game isn't anywhere near as enjoyable as it once was. I used to continually post suggestions that, IMO, would improve the game and help make it as enjoyable as it once was, but I eventually got tired of tilting at windmills to no effect. After I finally realized the futility of my efforts, I largely gave up trying to get things to change aside from a post or two every few months. It seems to me that the devs' chosen direction for the game is diametrically opposed to what I want to see, and I'm just one tiny voice trying to be heard over the cacophony of their plans for EVE. Moreover, very few of the players still active today ever got to experience EVE the way it was back in the day, so their only conception of the game is its currently-blobby state. As a result, they also naturally object to anything that might return EVE to the sandbox it once was since many of them enjoy the game as it is now. Oh, well. Change is one of the constants in life, and no one ever promised it would be for the better. This jaded and cynical post has been brought to you by my current exhaustion and the fact that I should've gone to bed an hour ago. EDIT: LOL, I just re-read the original post and realized it was a troll. I have failed in epic fashion. I really need to make myself get some sleep - if I can't see through obvious troll posts on first read through, it's time to quit. :) The bra strap is only symbolic of the changes brought to the game in the last few years. EVE was built off the back of the opportunity it provided to every player - the opportunity for individual enterprise, daring and risk taking, whilst offering players the great opportunity to team with others and be skillful and creative. Blobs always existed, and they are part of the EVE fabric, but what is lost is the spirit of risk and adventure that this game so beautifully facilitated.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 200	Posted - 2012.10.18 07:33:00 - [10] - Quote Chribba wrote: So... bra straps will make you play? I'd rather have a bra fetish than a Veldspar one, just saying :) Amat victoria curam.

Zyxtyr Chocobo Knights 0	Posted - 2012.10.18 07:37:00 - [11] - Quote Chribba wrote: So... bra straps will make you play? The great Chribba himself. I don't know if I should be honoured, humbled or whether i should simply start mission running again. No sir, bra straps won't get me back but something like the days of a handful of vagabonds being able to actually 'skirmish' a larger fleet will.
Cede Forster Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 120	Posted - 2012.10.18 07:53:00 - [12] - Quote You are SO right. There needs to be an expansion solely on improving game play for blobs. TiDI was a nice start but there are way too many inconveniences about it still. And i could not agree more about there is still little space for solo or small gang PvP. This must change. Solo PVP and small gang PVP is fundamentally wrong and should be removed from the game.
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing 82	Posted - 2012.10.18 08:18:00 - [13] - Quote Zyxtyr wrote: No changes to blob warfare, little room for solo or small gang PvP, silly changes to aggression mechanics, dumbing down the entire game so numpties can figure stuff out ..... and now with this latest patch a new fix....... "An issue with the Caldari Achura females bra straps always being visible has now been fixed" Why? What was wrong with the bra strap? All the Caldari Achura women I have met in real life have their bra strap visible....the brand was Accubra. Bring the bra strap back!! Bring back the EVE Online we used to love! what you want is that way >>>>>>>>>>> play dress up bye now, hope you like your new game.
Josef Djugashvilis 689	Posted - 2012.10.18 08:26:00 - [14] - Quote Just out of curiosity, when was Eve - 'the real Eve', and when and what single thing marked the start of the 'decline'? This is not a signature.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1313	Posted - 2012.10.18 08:34:00 - [15] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Just out of curiosity, when was Eve - 'the real Eve', and when and what single thing marked the start of the 'decline'? I'd say the Privateer nerf. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Alpheias Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse 841	Posted - 2012.10.18 08:34:00 - [16] - Quote OP looks like one of those infamous spanish grannies who are fat, ugly as sin and if you look closely, you see a very well trimmed beard. Not very attractive indeed. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing 82	Posted - 2012.10.18 08:37:00 - [17] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Just out of curiosity, when was Eve - 'the real Eve', and when and what single thing marked the start of the 'decline'? there is no decline. only bored people with little more to say on the forums with an alt that EVE is dead, EVE is in decline, EVE is broke, EVE isn't what i want, EVE is blah blah blah ! wah wah wah ! i want a golden goose NOW daddy !!!!!! if the same people that whine about EVE on here spent half the time they do posting bollox on the forums actualy played the game then all would be good and perhaps they'd learn something. am i expecting too much from idiots ?
Tialano Utrigas Running with Knives Nexus Fleet 3	Posted - 2012.10.18 08:42:00 - [18] - Quote Blob tactics are perfectly reasonable tactics. If you are solo/small gang PVP then you need to understand that you may not be the biggest fish in the pond. Find another pond or wait for them to pass through. Dont cry about it on the forums. What do you suggest? Make 20+ fleets an exploit?
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing 82	Posted - 2012.10.18 08:57:00 - [19] - Quote Tialano Utrigas wrote: Blob tactics are perfectly reasonable tactics. If you are solo/small gang PVP then you need to understand that you may not be the biggest fish in the pond. Find another pond or wait for them to pass through. Dont cry about it on the forums. What do you suggest? Make 20+ fleets an exploit? dude he doesn't get it, there is small roaming fleets, 1 v 1 and even 1 v more then you going on, he needs to log on and leave high sec and stop investing his brain power into thinking of shite to say on the forums. go watch some PVP videos. these are a good start !
dethleffs Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 104	Posted - 2012.10.18 09:01:00 - [20] - Quote As someone on this forum would say.. wat

Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 207	Posted - 2012.10.18 09:23:00 - [21] - Quote Can I have your stuff OP?
Jim Hazard Scrubfleet 32	Posted - 2012.10.18 09:40:00 - [22] - Quote The thing with blobs is that you can not really do anything about them. Its the players way of thinking that makes people blob and the fact that the game keeps growing. If you get more people out in 0.0 its just natural that the fleet size will also grow. No FC will tell people to stay home, just because they do not want to have too many people in their gangs, because that will slowly just discourage people to even try joining fleets and the activity in your corporation / alliance would greatly suffer from that. The only way to prevent blobs would be to set an artificial cap for the number of people being in a system, but as anyone with just 2 braincells should be able to understand, this would be a very bad idea as well. That does not mean that small gang PvP is dead though, it is just harder to find and you have to choose your ships better in order to be able to dodge the blobs and hotdrops.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji 658	Posted - 2012.10.18 11:57:00 - [23] - Quote Vilnius Zar wrote: Chribba wrote: So... bra straps will make you play? I'd rather have a bra fetish than a Veldspar one, just saying :) But would you tattoo a bra on your arm?
Obax Bannon Fidelis Technologies 71	Posted - 2012.10.18 12:00:00 - [24] - Quote Chribba wrote: So... bra straps will make you play? Well maybe...but not with Eve
Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare 1533	Posted - 2012.10.18 13:29:00 - [25] - Quote The OP knows that complaining about 'blob warfare' is the stupidest thing you acn possibly say rite? It is not up to CCP to balance the game in your favor because you have less friends TK is recruiting
Arduemont Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans 432	Posted - 2012.10.18 13:39:00 - [26] - Quote Because being paid for killing people isn't a buff to solo PvP. (That's sarcasm, for those of you without brains). Silly changes to aggression mechanics? So stopping logi station games is silly is it? The game is not getting dumbed down, its just being better presented by the UI, nothing is getting less complex. Jim Hazard wrote: The thing with blobs is that you can not really do anything about them. Its the players way of thinking that makes people blob and the fact that the game keeps growing. Try finding out what they're flying and counter it. Drake of 500? Take 10 Insta-nadoes and blow them up from 150km, alternatively firewall them. Blob of brawlers? Pull them off gate one at a time, add a couple of snipers and your sorted. Frigate blob? Smartbombs anyone? I saw 10 guys in brawler Nados lose two guys to a SBer before he got away. Maelstrom blob? Bring a super. Hell!, bring a couple.
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution 38	Posted - 2012.10.18 14:50:00 - [27] - Quote Skippermonkey wrote: The OP knows that complaining about 'blob warfare' is the stupidest thing you acn possibly say rite? It is not up to CCP to balance the game in your favor because you have less friends Do you really think that the people who object to much of the game's combat being blob-based are all annoyed because they can't get enough friends to compete? News flash: some of us just don't like blob warfare as a playstyle. We like fights where pilot skill actually matters, where you're not just a tiny cog in a large machine, where you don't have to wait ages for your fleet to coordinate. We like a more personal, intense experience in PvP that is not offered by blob warfare. In my time in EVE, I've done all sorts of PvP from nullsec warfare (fighting in Deklein as part of Northern Stars Alliance at the tail end of the Great Northern War back in 2004, Fountain Alliance when BoB invaded, Forsaken Empire up north, Veritas Immortalis out east, too many others to list) to piracy (BioMass Cartel, Black Rabbits, random juicy targets in lowsec when not actively playing pirate) to highsec wars (Star Fraction, Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams, just about every other corp I've ever been with) to wormholes (most of my more recent corps) to random lowsec PvP (most of my older corps back before solo and small gang PvP fell by the wayside). After all is said and done, I've found that I much prefer small gang and solo PvP (that's "small gang" as in 3-5 people, not today's "small gang" of 10-30) and have come to despise being forced into blob warfare. Sadly, due to mechanics changes that require more roles to be filled in any fleet that wants to be competitive (see: logistics), a massive increase in player population without a commensurate increase in the number of systems in EVE, and a change in player mindset brought on by the first two, small gang and solo combat has simply been thrown under the bus, making the game far less attractive to people like me. So no, your "you're just mad because you have no friends" statement is just a bunch of bull. I could step into any one of a dozen large corps/alliances run by old friends if I was interested in a blobbing experience; however, I'm not. IMO, blob warfare is often the preference of those whose skills don't measure up on an individual level. You may prefer quantity over quality, my friend, but I'll have none of it.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2591	Posted - 2012.10.18 15:45:00 - [28] - Quote Personally I think that blobs are fine, as long as you are facing a similar blob, but I also feel that there should be limitations placed on them to simulate the difficulties any large fighting force has that are not accurately reflected by the game mechanics.... as currently things don't scale very realistically. Large forces have always had certain advantages and disadvantages. Advantage: They put out a large volume of firepower. They can absorb a large number of casualties before brecoming ineffective. You can engage multiple targets simultaneously. You can cover/control a larger area more easily. Defensive tactics generally become more effective. Disadvantage: Slow and cumbersome to move. Impossible to hide, and lose the element of surprise. They are a very large target. Logistical considerations get expotentially more difficult. Friendly fire becomes a more significant issue. Bringing all available firepower to bear effectively becomes more difficult. Offensive tactics generally become more difficult to execute. Some of these things can be simulated in the game engine, others can not, and a few CAN be simulated but either should not or should be approached with extreme care. Most of the advantages listed are accurately reflected in our current game mechanics. The problem is that many of the disadvantages are not. I'm not advocating any of these things, but some things to consider that would subtly disenfranchise the blob as always being the most effective tactic to use would be to consider implimenting mechanics like: The larger the fleet the bigger the penalty to individual ship speed and agility (alignment times would be affected), as well as their speed in warp. The larger the fleet the easier and quicker it is to scan out, and is detectable at longer ranges. Locking times could be penalized slightly as the fleets get larger to simulate the extra time necessary for all of those ships to get and react to targeting priority information in a coordinated fashion. These are only a very quick and shallow selection of idea's that should be considered. Nothing dramatic should be considered to discourage the blob, but instead a variety of small (logical) disadvantages could encourage other tactics to be used when the blob simply becomes to unwieldy to handle a particular situation well. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Imports Plus State War Academy Caldari State 32	Posted - 2012.10.18 16:03:00 - [29] - Quote Zyxtyr wrote: No changes to blob warfare, little room for solo or small gang PvP, silly changes to aggression mechanics, dumbing down the entire game so numpties can figure stuff out ..... and now with this latest patch a new fix....... "An issue with the Caldari Achura females bra straps always being visible has now been fixed" Why? What was wrong with the bra strap? All the Caldari Achura women I have met in real life have their bra strap visible....the brand was Accubra. Bring the bra strap back!! Bring back the EVE Online we used to love! +1 for bra straps. Look at my straps guys! EVE needs to bring sexy back.
Bodega Cat eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred 35	Posted - 2012.10.18 16:22:00 - [30] - Quote This could easily be a post relevant in any of the last 5 or 6 years of EVE.

Dragon Outlaw Rogue Fleet 139	Posted - 2012.10.18 16:26:00 - [31] - Quote dethleffs wrote: As someone on this forum would say.. wat or.. wat, wat?
Dragon Outlaw Rogue Fleet 139	Posted - 2012.10.18 16:27:00 - [32] - Quote Imports Plus wrote: Zyxtyr wrote: No changes to blob warfare, little room for solo or small gang PvP, silly changes to aggression mechanics, dumbing down the entire game so numpties can figure stuff out ..... and now with this latest patch a new fix....... "An issue with the Caldari Achura females bra straps always being visible has now been fixed" Why? What was wrong with the bra strap? All the Caldari Achura women I have met in real life have their bra strap visible....the brand was Accubra. Bring the bra strap back!! Bring back the EVE Online we used to love! +1 for bra straps. Look at my straps guys! EVE needs to bring sexy back. That must be a tech II strap for sure!! Or faction?
Wolf Kruol Sinisenkuun Laguuni GREATER ITAMO MAFIA 23	Posted - 2012.10.18 20:25:00 - [33] - Quote xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: Zyxtyr wrote: No changes to blob warfare, little room for solo or small gang PvP, silly changes to aggression mechanics, dumbing down the entire game so numpties can figure stuff out ..... and now with this latest patch a new fix....... "An issue with the Caldari Achura females bra straps always being visible has now been fixed" Why? What was wrong with the bra strap? All the Caldari Achura women I have met in real life have their bra strap visible....the brand was Accubra. Bring the bra strap back!! Bring back the EVE Online we used to love! what you want is that way >>>>>>>>>>> play dress up bye now, hope you like your new game. They should remove bra's period! Where I live women can bare there breasts like guys bare there chest. Freedom guys and gals.. Freedom.. GÇ£If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid? You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!GÇ¥
Soi Mala Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen 181	Posted - 2012.10.18 22:31:00 - [34] - Quote Wrayeth wrote: Zyxtyr wrote: No changes to blob warfare, little room for solo or small gang PvP TBH, I agree with this for the most part. I especially agree with the bolded part. I've been largely inactive for a long time, but after watching the last Alliance Tournament I tried to get myself back into EVE. Unfortunately, I just couldn't gather the enthusiasm I needed. Knowing that pilot skill counts for very little these days, a "small" gang is considered 10-30 people, that the "I-win" button of MWD-ending warp scrambler is still around, and that webs still max at 60% really makes it hard to want to become active again. I could add quite a few more things to the above list such as logistics being a requirement in just about any fight, but it'll do for starters. The simple fact is that the game isn't anywhere near as enjoyable as it once was. I used to continually post suggestions that, IMO, would improve the game and help make it as enjoyable as it once was, but I eventually got tired of tilting at windmills to no effect. After I finally realized the futility of my efforts, I largely gave up trying to get things to change aside from a post or two every few months. It seems to me that the devs' chosen direction for the game is diametrically opposed to what I want to see, and I'm just one tiny voice trying to be heard over the cacophony of their plans for EVE. Moreover, very few of the players still active today ever got to experience EVE the way it was back in the day, so their only conception of the game is its currently-blobby state. As a result, they also naturally object to anything that might return EVE to the sandbox it once was since many of them enjoy the game as it is now. Oh, well. Change is one of the constants in life, and no one ever promised it would be for the better. If my heart could write posts they would look like this. <3
Creedling 30	Posted - 2012.10.18 22:43:00 - [35] - Quote Stop letting the game play you and play the game.
Clystan Binaerie Heavy Industries 18	Posted - 2012.10.18 23:29:00 - [36] - Quote You mad at bra straps, bro?
Ioci Bad Girl Posse 216	Posted - 2012.10.18 23:41:00 - [37] - Quote Obax Bannon wrote: Chribba wrote: So... bra straps will make you play? Well maybe...but not with Eve Someone needs to ask. Why you no lika da bewbies????? R.I.P. Vile Rat
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 680	Posted - 2012.10.19 00:13:00 - [38] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Just out of curiosity, when was Eve - 'the real Eve', and when and what single thing marked the start of the 'decline'? I'm going to go with "Never". There has always been one side complaining about blobs and whining that their small gang of 14 dudes simply cannot beat a corp of 38 dudes. Small gang is alive and well. It just doesn't MATTER in the strategic sense. And frankly that's fine. Eve isn't star wars, a small group of plucky rebels isn't going to destroy a star spanning empire. Get over it.
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution 40	Posted - 2012.10.19 02:59:00 - [39] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Just out of curiosity, when was Eve - 'the real Eve', and when and what single thing marked the start of the 'decline'? It wasn't any single thing, but rather a series of things that keep piling on top of one another. TBH, I'd have to say the first thing was the full-spectrum hitpoint increase for all ships back in...2006? Basically, all ships got a significant hitpoint increase. The same patch also increased the extra hitpoints granted by armor plates and shield extenders and (I think) introduced rigs. These changes combined made ships far more survivable, which in turn made it much harder to use geurilla tactics to gank an opponent and get out before his backup arrived. This had the unfortunate side effect of beginning the ramp-up in numbers you see in gangs today; with targets taking longer to kill and the likelihood of enemy reinforcements showing up during fights, people started bringing more firepower (read: numbers). There have been a number of other things that have happened since, such as the introduction of must-have ships such as logistics cruisers (i.e. any gang without them is at a severe disadvantage in most instances), the general speed overnerf (I was one of the people calling for speed tanking to be nerfed, but CCP swung the nerfbat too hard, also hitting ships that didn't need to be any slower, such as BS), the overnerfing of webs (they should max at 75% instead of the current 60%; the old 90% was too much), and the added ability of warp scramblers to completely shut off MWD (they should penalize MWD speed instead of shutting them off entirely, IMO). These and many other changes largely killed generalist ships and forced players into more specialized roles, resulting in an increase in the numbers needed to successfully PvP. Additionally, there are many other things that have been introduced that have had a dramatic adverse effect on gameplay, such as the way carriers, motherships, and titans were implemented (FYI: I have carrier and dreadnought 5 and own both a carrier and a dread), jump bridge networks, etc. These are all things that contribute to one-sided fights and help push smaller entities out. At the same time, EVE's population has increased massively without a commensurate addition of new systems; while the Drone Regions, wormholes, and Black Rise helped, they were nowhere near enough. Player population and density has had a dramatic effect on the size of the gangs people fly in. Simply spreading the players out more would be very helpful, but it would require the addition of a massive number of new star systems of all categories, from highsec to nullsec. I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting to add, but I've gone on long enough in this vein. I don't expect many people to agree with my views, but then I've never cared overmuch what other people think. SmilingVagrant wrote: I'm going to go with "Never". There has always been one side complaining about blobs and whining that their small gang of 14 dudes simply cannot beat a corp of 38 dudes. Wat? Bolded the important part; 14 is not a small gang. A small gang is 3-5. That many people think 14 is small is just another symptom of the bloat that has overcome EVE. Quote: a small group of plucky rebels isn't going to destroy a star spanning empire. Get over it. And you think this is okay? One of the great things that used to be true of EVE is that, as a small entity, you could go out there and make a name for yourself, accomplish something grand. Witness old school Burn Eden - they used to show up in a region of 0.0 and take on entire alliances with only 5 or 10 people. Celestial Apocalypse was another good example. Damage, Inc., Rubra, etc. Hell, Farjung, Ikvar, Drunken One, Dave Tehsulei - these were household names in the EVE community, single players who were known cluster-wide for their capabilities. Now, unless you're engaged in corporate espionage, something like this is largely impossible. So yeah, keep on promoting the things that prevent players from achieving something epic in the game. EVE's a far smaller and more confining place for it.
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 253	Posted - 2012.10.19 03:44:00 - [40] - Quote The reason people hate blobs in EVE is they don't emulate or translate to large scale war. They are dps dumps in the form of alpha primary. One guy calling primary for a 20 fleet, 50 fleet, 250 fleet. Always one guy calling single primary. I can tell the second I get on TS it's going to be like that. There are no wing channels, just fleet 1, 2 and 3.

Cyprus Black Perkone 364	Posted - 2012.10.19 04:02:00 - [41] - Quote EvE has gotten stale and boring over the last few expansions. Nothing really new or major was introduced. I wouldn't even call them "expansions" as they did little to expand the EvE universe. There have been bug fix patches that produced more than expansions as of late. Too busy playing The Secret World. EvE has gone stale and boring.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 1292	Posted - 2012.10.19 04:15:00 - [42] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Just out of curiosity, when was Eve - 'the real Eve', and when and what single thing marked the start of the 'decline'? I'd say the Privateer nerf. This a million times. ^ I would say to anyone thinking about quitting EvE, consider this: DUST right now it totally beta and I've been going back and forth between it and Halo quite a bit. Halo is better right now. That said... the latest patch to DUST was a vast improvement. The impact of DUST will be significant. The impact of the Retribution expansion will also be very significant (IMHO) and will butt up against the wardec updates really well. I think in 2013 EvE will be an entirely different game than in 2011... the year when sov stopped being a big deal and alliances stopped giving a snip. I would say if you are really over it liquidate what you have and PLEX out for 6 months. I think this next year may be a great one for EvE. I've been wrong before but I'm right a lot more often than I'm wrong. If s* is really that bad, Star Citizen in 2015. ...but don't discount the future of EvE. POS's are getting a revamp, null is probably going to get a sov makeover, and I would bet there'll be some other updates and expansions that put the danger back in EvE. So while the future of EvE is up in the air right now... there are some very interesting changes coming and I for one look forward to new gameplay beyond a meer Privateer blob hanging out at Jita 4-4 undock that will bring the challenge back. Bigger numbers, bigger player base, more stuff to do. That's what I think is coming. In any event, we'll have plenty of options if CCP can't drag their sword across the line. I'm supremely confident my future days of internet spaceship exploration are just getting started. Take that for what you think it's worth. <3 u long time ~Gogela Every Ship in GëíGêçGëí** \| [FX7] \| Vote Cthulhu 2012
Mortucus Taylor Eve Shadow Academy TSOE Consortium 13	Posted - 2012.10.19 05:59:00 - [43] - Quote Wrayeth wrote: Skippermonkey wrote: The OP knows that complaining about 'blob warfare' is the stupidest thing you acn possibly say rite? It is not up to CCP to balance the game in your favor because you have less friends Do you really think that the people who object to much of the game's combat being blob-based are all annoyed because they can't get enough friends to compete? News flash: some of us just don't like blob warfare as a playstyle. We like fights where pilot skill actually matters, where you're not just a tiny cog in a large machine, where you don't have to wait ages for your fleet to coordinate. We like a more personal, intense experience in PvP that is not offered by blob warfare. In my time in EVE, I've done all sorts of PvP from nullsec warfare (fighting in Deklein as part of Northern Stars Alliance at the tail end of the Great Northern War back in 2004, Fountain Alliance when BoB invaded, Forsaken Empire up north, Veritas Immortalis out east, too many others to list) to piracy (BioMass Cartel, Black Rabbits, random juicy targets in lowsec when not actively playing pirate) to highsec wars (Star Fraction, Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams, just about every other corp I've ever been with) to wormholes (most of my more recent corps) to random lowsec PvP (most of my older corps back before solo and small gang PvP fell by the wayside). After all is said and done, I've found that I much prefer small gang and solo PvP (that's "small gang" as in 3-5 people, not today's "small gang" of 10-30) and have come to despise being forced into blob warfare. Sadly, due to mechanics changes that require more roles to be filled in any fleet that wants to be competitive (see: logistics), a massive increase in player population without a commensurate increase in the number of systems in EVE, and a change in player mindset brought on by the first two, small gang and solo combat has simply been thrown under the bus, making the game far less attractive to people like me. So no, your "you're just mad because you have no friends" statement is just a bunch of bull. I could step into any one of a dozen large corps/alliances run by old friends if I was interested in a blobbing experience; however, I'm not. IMO, blob warfare is often the preference of those whose skills don't measure up on an individual level. You may prefer quantity over quality, my friend, but I'll have none of it. IF U WANT TO PLAY THE SNIPERS GAME U HAVE TO GOD DAM WAIT WAR AINT ONE ON ONE ITS MASSES ON MASSES SAME GOS TO THE OP
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution 40	Posted - 2012.10.19 06:08:00 - [44] - Quote Mortucus Taylor wrote: IF U WANT TO PLAY THE SNIPERS GAME U HAVE TO GOD DAM WAIT WAR AINT ONE ON ONE ITS MASSES ON MASSES SAME GOS TO THE OP CAPITAL LETTERS Also, too scared to PvP without your blob much? Seriously, not all warfare involves masses of soldiers. Ever hear of special forces? What about isurgencies and guerilla warfare? Bottom line: blob warfare will always exist in EVE...but it should not be the only warfare in EVE.
Mina Sebiestar Mactabilis Simplex Cursus 104	Posted - 2012.10.19 06:15:00 - [45] - Quote Join ze brainzless blob they have cookies and virtual moneyz to buy you ships and crap so u don't have to. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Mortucus Taylor Eve Shadow Academy TSOE Consortium 13	Posted - 2012.10.19 06:20:00 - [46] - Quote Wrayeth wrote: Mortucus Taylor wrote: IF U WANT TO PLAY THE SNIPERS GAME U HAVE TO GOD DAM WAIT WAR AINT ONE ON ONE ITS MASSES ON MASSES SAME GOS TO THE OP CAPITAL LETTERS Also, too scared to PvP without your blob much? Seriously, not all warfare involves masses of soldiers. Ever hear of special forces? What about isurgencies and guerilla warfare? Bottom line: blob warfare will always exist in EVE...but it should not be the only warfare in EVE. 1st of i don't sit in a blob so no u have no idea about my play style 2nd is plenty of one on one pvp 3rd its a mmo or do the single lone wolfs always forget that
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution 40	Posted - 2012.10.19 06:50:00 - [47] - Quote Mortucus Taylor wrote: 1st of i don't sit in a blob so no u have no idea about my play style Then why are you defending the "blob warfare is the only way to play" mindset? Quote: 2nd is plenty of one on one pvp Care to mention where this is happening, and if it's occuring in something other than T1 frigs and destroyers? Quote: 3rd its a mmo or do the single lone wolfs always forget that I'm not quite sure of your point, since I'm looking to shoot other players (well, their avatars) in the face, which is hardly a single player activity unless I start shooting my own alt. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to do so in a small gang or solo. It's still gaming with and against other people any way you look at it. Quote: and to your point make a small special forces unit and go kick some ass or u to scared to fight a blob of fools learn some tactics evolve or die ain't that what eve is all about I was going to reply to this, then I saw... Quote: i been here a month ...and realized I've been talking with someone who hasn't been playing long enough to know jack or squat beyond the very basics of the game. As someone who has been watching EVE evolve (or, in many instances devolve) over the last 8 years, I think it's safe to say that I have just a tiny bit more perspective than you on the way things work. (continued in next post since it won't let me quote enough times)
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution 40	Posted - 2012.10.19 06:50:00 - [48] - Quote Quote: lost plenty of ships killed a few my self there is a lot of single pvp IF u go and find it That's great. Glad you're finding decent PvP...or I would be if there was any record of it. You do in fact have involvement in some solo PvP on the Battleclinic killboard...where you lost a catalyst to an executioner. Sadly, that's the only kill listed there. Usually if you've been involved in a bunch of PvP, more than just one of the killmails will show up there. Quote: seems the people complaining just want a click for pvp button all this whining is just so imo teenager Yet you're whining about people whining. I'm at least using complete sentences and some modicum of punctuation in my posts, unlike certain other individuals. Also, ever hear the maxim "the squaky wheel gets the grease"? No one's going to fix it if they don't know it's broken. Quote: Ever hear of special forces? What about isurgencies and guerilla warfare? . all these are more than one person And? So is the small gang combat I've been mentioning in my posts. In any case, I prefer both solo and small gang combat to fleet and blob warfare. I don't see any reason why there shouldn't be a place for it in EVE, yet the mechanics changes and the population increases have seen them fall by the wayside.
Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1855	Posted - 2012.10.19 09:08:00 - [49] - Quote Less attractive to play with, every day. Well, that's what you get for being married ... (Also: Consumers ... on one hand you amuse me, on the other hand it's sad) Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 785	Posted - 2012.10.19 09:28:00 - [50] - Quote Inquisitor Kitchner wrote: Can I have your stuff OP? No, give your bras with straps to me!!! I'm not shitposting.

Shaista Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.19 11:26:00 - [51] - Quote I have had the opportunity to play since 2005 in some very successful roaming alliances. People whose sole focus it was to PvP. Making ISK was only a means to fund their PvP needs. I have seen the game change in manner where slowly and rather unwittingly the devs have stifled the opportunity for smaller gangs to harass bigger ones. 0.0 PvP is essential and important. But apart from a few people - it is about all about being able to listen carefully, click where and when the FC tells you to. Smaller gangs however have been about a lot more; piloting the ship, keeping range, hit and run, using the map intelligently, splitting up larger gangs, taking out their tackle and then harassing the slower ones, and all the while trying to stay alive against superior firepower. All of this was facilitated by using ships that had three key attributes - 1) speed, 2) ability to deal reasonable damage, 3) ability to deal that damage without having to be up close to the larger fleet. There is a very big difference between gangs that just want to roam, stay alive and gank the occasional victim, versus gangs that want to engage bigger gangs for the thrill and challenge of it. In the latter i am in complete agreement that it has become increasingly painful to achieve this. There are plenty of videos on You Tube which will show you gangs of 10 odd ships decimating much larger gangs and heavier ships, or getting decimated in the attempt. Intense gameplay for one who ventures. I don't deny that these fights happen even today, but i can tell you that they are increasingly rare. Key problems IMHO are; a) Logistics scale in a linear way - small gangs rely on being able to take out targets quickly, but when those targets can repped endlessly the small gang is powerless. A chain of 3-4 logis can rep a massive amount of dps. b) Speed - the nano nerf was welcome, it took away ludicrous speed, but it may have gone too far. the warp scrambler's ability to kill the mwd instantly is a good example. c) fighting whilst keeping range - a key ingredient to small gang pvp. changes to ships have meant that increasingly small number of ships can keep range wh The vagabond, mainstay of small gang pvpers has been rendered redundant by Tier 3 BCs. Yes, the Talos is still viable in this role, but doens't come anywhere close to how effective the Vagabond was. So to end my long rambling post, I can only say that small gangs are essential to keep the excitement alive and they must be empowered with some of the tools they had to ply their trade. it makes 0.0 more exciting, keeps players in big alliances on their toes and most of it is an adrenaline rush like you can't find in any other game.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 863	Posted - 2012.10.19 11:39:00 - [52] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Small gang is alive and well. It just doesn't MATTER in the strategic sense. And frankly that's fine. Eve isn't star wars, a small group of plucky rebels isn't going to destroy a star spanning empire. Get over it. Unless you live in highsec, then 5 dudes utterly destroying what some self proclaimed space king calls his empire is an everyday occurrence.
Thorn Galen Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 919	Posted - 2012.10.19 11:44:00 - [53] - Quote xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: there is no decline. only bored people with little more to say on the forums with an alt that EVE is dead, EVE is in decline, EVE is broke, EVE isn't what i want, EVE is blah blah blah ! wah wah wah ! i want a golden goose NOW daddy !!!!!! if the same people that whine about EVE on here spent half the time they do posting bollox on the forums actualy played the game then all would be good and perhaps they'd learn something. am i expecting too much from idiots ? ^^ YES!! I am not alone, at last. Vote for Omnibears!! The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars.
Tanthos Tanthos Corp 54	Posted - 2012.10.19 14:03:00 - [54] - Quote Stick it. Or am I the only who gets the reference?
Arduemont Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans 462	Posted - 2012.10.19 14:23:00 - [55] - Quote I was once in a fleet in WIDot, and we had a fleet commander who separated out 200 man Mael fleet into three wings, and each wing was given a Wing Commander, and they called the primaries for each wing. We were defending a POS, and when a 350 man Baddon fleet showed up we thought we were going to all die horrible. But we tore them a new one, they were killing 1 ship per volley, and we were killing three because each wing was insta-killing one ship each. By the time 30 of our ships went down they had already lost 100 men. It took a very short peroid after that until they realised they were getting pwned and warpped off, ever to return again. It was awesome. No offence to blob FCs, because I know it's difficult talking to three different sets of voices, but most blobs are horribly underutilized.
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing 84	Posted - 2012.10.22 08:48:00 - [56] - Quote Cyprus Black wrote: EvE has gotten stale and boring over the last few expansions. Nothing really new or major was introduced. I wouldn't even call them "expansions" as they did little to expand the EvE universe. There have been bug fix patches that produced more than expansions as of late. i used to have a pilot in my corp like you, he got bored also, he went to low sec got all his shite blown up and got his sec stat ****** sideways so he couldn't enter any high sec. with no ships left and no one willing to listen to his eve is dead and eve is boring drabble, he soon found it impossible to get anyone to bring a ship in for him, he eventualy ran out of isk, he tried to train up an alt to recover, but he got bored of that too, he left eve and now plays some other game. you can love it or leave it,,, make your choice.
flakeys Angels of Anarchy Interstellar Confederation 388	Posted - 2012.10.22 09:36:00 - [57] - Quote OH MY GOD , they removed the straps? Nerf all the ships you want CCP but give us back our straps for the love of god. There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.-á
Tali Ambraelle Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.10.22 20:23:00 - [58] - Quote Stuff. Give. Nao. Etc.
Ashterothi Aideron Robotics 42	Posted - 2012.10.22 20:33:00 - [59] - Quote people mad about lack of small scale pvp make me giggle goes back to FW


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