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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.03.24 20:27:00 -
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I'm afraid of carebears. Their flamethrowers are more powerful than my guns and missiles 
Virago, you are wrong. I would much rather do 'proper' pirating rather than having to gank 99% of people but it just isn't viable to do that. I would say a large majority of the pirate population feel the same way. I don't expect you to take that on board though because, as Avon pointed out, you're missing the point on purpose. Plus I'd expect you to be biased when your corp bio reads 'PVP-vigilante corp created to hunt thieves, pirates, lamers, and assorted scummbags.'
Lol  (Oh by the way you don't need a comma before the and.
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Briareos Knute
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Posted - 2005.03.24 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Briareos Knute on 24/03/2005 21:19:20
 Originally by: Avon
Have just one in game ....
... and have it in Yulai.
Actually, I think Avon may be on to something. You could have CCP role play it as a low security Concord agent being bought off. This agent then gives you, the pirate, the password to a concord database - only issue is you have to access it directly in Yulai. So off you go to Yulai to input the data and blank out a full 1.0 off of your negative security status.
Some cleveats ahould be it can only be used once a day and perhaps up to a status of -4.0. Anything higher and they would scoff at the offer of a petty thug.
Now the cost should be something reasonable but not too cheap - I want piracy to live a little as they make low sec space more fun for my carebearish tendancies but not have them overrun the place. Maybe 10 mil per shot. Expensive if you decide to buy your way out of a -10, but reasonable for avoiding constant npcing.
Naturally you will risk being killed on the trip to Yulai if you are a hardened rat, but that is just going to be some of the fun for you and the others you come across. I imagine it wouldn't be too bad in a pod - unless the BM suck
Of course I'm going to get a sound beating for posting this but screw it, pirates (true ones at least) do need a break.
Briareos Knute
Edit: For the less combat inclined, remember that pod killing a is fairly substantial sec hit. It doesn't take much to have a really low standing.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.03.24 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar
(Oh by the way you don't need a comma before the and.
He doesn't need to, but he can and it is proper. So, what's your point?
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.03.24 21:41:00 -
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Every poster who answers with a "OH NOES" or an "YOU WHINER"
should b banned here.
learn to answer in correct sentences, and how to use arguments, as u should have some when u spend ur time for a OH NOES post
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.03.25 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Ikvar
(Oh by the way you don't need a comma before the and.
He doesn't need to, but he can and it is proper. So, what's your point?
What's yours, except to add yourself into an argument and attempt to povoke me? 
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Edoo
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Posted - 2005.03.25 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: dantes inferno
this is a better idea then the gett a sec raise for free, but it should not come cheap something like 5 - 10 mil for a 0.1 (which is still cheap considering if you destroy a ship with a lot of tech2/naed stuff or a hauler full of zyd..youll make a load more) having it at that price should keep most priates and resonable carebears happy
wtf lol. 5-10 mil is way too much, and i have not just ganked a hauler full of zydrine. Haulers that get ganked are stupid, the pilots should fit a cloak, or avoid the podkill zone. End of story.
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Edoo
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Posted - 2005.03.25 13:38:00 -
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[list=null]null[/list=null] Originally by: Roshan longshot
Which is why this is a pointless thread...Pay to get sec status back up...oh ****...not again....I cant stopPlease no more...
You are an absolute, miner carebear retard****. You are such an ass that words cannot begin to describe it. Thank god you didn't post with your main because the shame it would bring would be unbearable.
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Marruni
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Posted - 2005.03.26 02:10:00 -
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I would consider starting piracy if this would be possible.. to get sec stat increase for isk.
I am at -2.5 now and i hate it.. and i am too lazy to chain battleships..
This would be great.. and it would bring more action into low sec space  |
Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.03.26 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Virago
OMG....
Anything else you Carebear Pirates wanna whine about?
Gee, thats a great idea....then you can take griefing to a new level. Pod a bunch of newbies, and then buy back your security status.
Hmm, carebear pirates... /me thinks Virago is the alt if Parallux (the idiot who insulted Tank CEO and Daakkon) hahahahah.... carebear pirate, that gets me every time.
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.03.26 02:23:00 -
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Are carebear pirates the ones who web/scram 'roids and demand they eject their ore? If so, call me a carbear pirate!
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.26 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'Boy
yay, so many carabear flamers in this tread..scary
Not as many as the 'carebear' pirates who want the "Gank Indies Free" card along with their "I win" button eh?
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Cetshwayo
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Posted - 2005.03.26 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Cetshwayo on 26/03/2005 12:44:29
Originally by: Trey Azagthoth
Originally by: Virago
OMG....
Anything else you Carebear Pirates wanna whine about?
Gee, thats a great idea....then you can take griefing to a new level. Pod a bunch of newbies, and then buy back your security status.
Hmm, carebear pirates... /me thinks Virago is the alt if Parallux (the idiot who insulted Tank CEO and Daakkon) hahahahah.... carebear pirate, that gets me every time.
HAHA that vid is great! 
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.03.26 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Originally by: Bad'Boy
yay, so many carabear flamers in this tread..scary
Not as many as the 'carebear' pirates who want the "Gank Indies Free" card along with their "I win" button eh?
no, just want to be able to gank some1, sometimes in empire without having to NPC after that...
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Zaneg
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Posted - 2005.03.27 12:51:00 -
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Im not a pirateering type, but wouldnt it be more fun if Concord put a good example and offered low sec. players in high sec systems to get out with their hide intact for a ransom ?
Maybe add some smack talk generator to concord AI.
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Ander
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Posted - 2005.03.27 14:17:00 -
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That's a cool idea.
Or even do jailtime 'eh? :P
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Harry MacDougal
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Posted - 2005.04.03 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
Every poster who answers with a "OH NOES" or an "YOU WHINER"
should b banned here.
learn to answer in correct sentences, and how to use arguments, as u should have some when u spend ur time for a OH NOES post
Learn to write. I doubt you'll fin the words "u" or "ur" in the dictionary. Further, the shift button exists to capitalize a letter for proper grammer. Further, your first comma shouldn't be there. If you flame the way people write, expect to get flamed back. And yes, I do realize that this means that my writing will probalby get flamed.
On a different note, I've been thinking of a straightforward system where you pay 1M for each 0.01 sec status you want back. I'm basing this on the fact that 1M isn't a lot of money, and I've heard that people in 0.0 often have well over 100M isk (closer to 1 billion isk) in their coffers. This way, if you make a big haul, you can greatly increase your sec status. It makes people think about whether pirating is worth it while still allowing it a viable option. Further, chaining BSes earnes you your status twice as fast, which is nice for those who are willing to do NPC.
And to those who think that this is too much, what wouldn't be? It clearly has to be more than 100k per 0.01 status, because that allows you to get to +10 for 200M, which empire agent runners can do inside a month. I'd be willing to look at 300-500k per 0.01 sec, but much below that and the point goes away.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.04.03 06:53:00 -
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The only security status adjustments should come from shooting the ships of other players. Noobships and shuttles shouldn't count. Frigates shouldn't count for much either. Pods only count for triggering any immediate security response.
Shoot deviant players, get high security standing. Shoot statist players, get deviant standing.
There should be a negative consequence for too much good standing with the empires.. you should get deshipped by npc security details in -0.5 to -1.0 space. If we had negative space, we could have a -1.0 'Yulai' and a highway from it to the -1.0 'Jita.'
The real freedom fighters would lurk in 0.0 space and its margins.
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Bible Dave
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Posted - 2005.04.03 19:23:00 -
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Could not be bothered to read every post in this thread.
Had to reply though because I think this is a feature that should defo be brought back into the game. Why the &^*) did they ever get rid of it ???
Bring it back! .....
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Shai Faetal
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Posted - 2005.04.03 19:31:00 -
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hmm money sink < 10mil per 0.1 
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Jaisan
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Posted - 2005.04.04 06:53:00 -
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Lazyness, just shear lazyness.
Go to 0.0 kill those NPC BS rats, and you could clear your 0.4 system podkill sec hit within a week.
But there are nasty people who can fight back in 0.0, boo hoo.
Do the crime, do the time.
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.04.04 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Virago
OMG....
Anything else you Carebear Pirates wanna whine about?
Gee, thats a great idea....then you can take griefing to a new level. Pod a bunch of newbies, and then buy back your security status.
Huh ?
Yeah ive tried the whole podding n00bs in yulai game ... sadly when your not at war concord doesn't take kindly to your suicide kessy. And if your suggesting we just hunt in 0.4's on the fringes of empire ??
urr we do that anyway 
Typherin
Sorry I dont see you point ? unless your suggesting we war dec noobs ??  Well thats no fun is it... not when theres a production corp just next door
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Bible Dave
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Posted - 2005.04.04 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Bible Dave on 04/04/2005 11:04:33
Edited by: Bible Dave on 04/04/2005 11:00:28
To be honest I've fixed my sec rating 2x now and it only takes about a week in 0.0 to go from -10 to -0.1 if you know what you are doing.
Sec also goes down doing level 4 missions .. BUT WAIT .. Im a pirate ..
I want to PVP!!!! ....
Sec rating does not bother me that much anyway .. if you want to kill people you have to huntin low sec anyway .. only 2 advantages I can see is that if a carebear corp o miners declairs war on us we can fix sec and go get em in empire space and if I wanted to go shopping in yulai .. lol ..
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.04.04 11:02:00 -
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25mil multiplier and t his is an good idea ;)
Want to raise standings with 1.0, you pay 1.0*25mil=25mil.
Want to raise standings with 4.0, you pay 4.0*25mil=100mill.
Shouldnt be too cheap as pirates will have too much advantage.
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Bible Dave
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Posted - 2005.04.04 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: AvanCade
25mil multiplier and t his is an good idea ;)
Want to raise standings with 1.0, you pay 1.0*25mil=25mil.
Want to raise standings with 4.0, you pay 4.0*25mil=100mill.
Shouldnt be too cheap as pirates will have too much advantage.
Totaly agree .. I should be expencive .. the advantage would only be given then to the I suppose you could call them professional pirates who would make full use of the feature and not to the n00b pirates who just want to gank a few n00bs with frigates in empire space..
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Posted - 2005.04.05 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: AvanCade
25mil multiplier and t his is an good idea ;)
Want to raise standings with 1.0, you pay 1.0*25mil=25mil.
Want to raise standings with 4.0, you pay 4.0*25mil=100mill.
Shouldnt be too cheap as pirates will have too much advantage.
I agree too, but I don't think that the price to go from -4 to 0 should be the same as -10 to -6. It should be a log scale, getting more expensive the closer you come to zero.
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.04.05 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
I know plenty of players 'trapped' by their sec rating. Unable to face the grind of chaining npc's to repair it, they no longer even bother - and just gank with no concern for the penalty.
Not being able to fix sec in a resonable, predictable and dependable way is leading to more ganking - the very thing carebears moan about the most.
So we should just wipe the slate clean every time a player professes to be turning over a new leaf? I agree that npc'ing can get boring after a while, but if you genuinely want to go on the straight-and-narrow, then the one-time investment shouldn't put them off. It's the ones that would get bored and go back to pirating anyway that are going to be dissuaded by a difficult way of working off their sec-status.
Besides, if we make sec-status too easy to improve, it completely breaks it as a system for imposing consequences on players.
The big problem I have with the concept of "buying out" your sec status is this. Pirate kills people, steals stuff, gets bad sec. Pirate sells stolen stuff and uses part of proceeds to buy back sec status. Effectively, you're bribing the police with the stolen goods you're in trouble for having anyway! If you tried that with any sensible police force, they'd confiscate the goods and still lock you up.
However, I could be persuaded on a reliable and reasonable "community service" scheme - whereby you could "buy back" sec status, just not with anything that could reasonably have been aquired through pirating. Maybe set up some concord rehabilitation agents in low-sec stations, with mission rewards being sec status.
I believe someone else suggested sec status increases for shooting other bad sec players. The only problem I have with this is the easy alt exploit of such a system. Alt 1 repeatedly pods Alt 2 to get to -10. Alt 1 is then shot repeatedly by the pirate, gaining sec status. Rinse and repeat as necessary.
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