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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 11:49:00 -
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Just putting this out there, but maybe the real problem isn't so much the hi-sec dwellers, but how many blues you have and how risk averse you are yourself?
As an example: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Branch/UQ9-3C#npc24
With the exceptions of 1IX, W-4 and C-4 (station systems) not much ratting/isk making is going on outside of the dead end systems that are easy to lock down with bubbled entry points.
And it's not all about true sec either, take BKG for example, station system -0.67 (29 NPC kills - at post time) and compare that with C-4, also a station system -0.65 (3345 NPC kills - at post time) The difference is 4 entry points to BKG vs 2 for C-4 (4, but ignore the secured pocket and single dead end)
So what you really want is your nullsec isk printing safe havens, and then easy access to a target rich environment of noobs to shoot when you feel like PVP.
tl:dr; hi-sec dwellers aren't the problem, the size of your blue list is |

TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 12:24:00 -
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Andski wrote: thank you for the npc alt post that is of the usual npc alt post caliber
thank you for adding nothing of value like all your other posts 
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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 14:04:00 -
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The EVE is a PVP game is a typical example of a comment that (imo) is incorrect and excessively overused when trying to drive the argument home in these types of threads.
EVE is not strictly a PVP game... it's a multiplayer game, with both PVP and PVE content. It provides both player vs player and cooperative game play in a single universe.
Sometimes people want to get all up in someones face and PVP, other times they just want to PVE and chill with some bros in a more relaxed mode. whatever.
Just because someone doesn't want to play with you is no reason to go crying to the kindergarten teacher. Maybe they just don't like you? or you smell? |

TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 14:08:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:The "devs" already answered these sort of question many many times; while they rarely say that this is a pvp game (for obvious PR and marketing reasons), they have clearly stated that Eve is not a non-conflict (pvp) or a cozy and comfy themepark game, where you can go and do stuff safely, without any intervention from other players. This is one of them : CCP Wrangler wrote:EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
I'd probably support this if they removed the ability to anchor bubbles directly on gates (50k+ away). If you want to lock down your null-sec isk printing pocket you should have to put a few hics/dictors on the gate.
Otherwise hi-sec would be the only place you feel worried logging in. |

TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 15:11:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: MALARKY the .8 nerf to HI & 1.2 buff to NULL payouts was exceeded in Incursion payout differences and still NULL cried for Incursion nerfs until itwas granted & it broke incursions to the point they are now dying
If I remember correctly part of the driving force behind the argument to nerf incursions was also to drive targets into low and null sec.
Those targets... those fat juicy faction fitted targets!!
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m81db4AuuX1qb51sq.png
And when incursions were nerffed beyond the point of being worth running did those targets flock to null sec where they could be harvested?
no.
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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.18 19:24:00 -
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rodyas wrote: It doesn't seem like you like to play multiplayer games really. Perhaps a real solo game, would go better with your solo play style.
You're also failing to consider other aspects of EVE beyond the pew pew, things like the meta game, psychological warfare.
Simply denying you the pew pew against those soft juicy PVE targets that are just out of reach to the point you come to the forums and shed tears.
They be winning. |

TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.19 08:43:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: This has been said time and time again, nullsec needs to get huge buffs when it comes to its manufacturing capabilities, and there also needs to be other economic incentives for people to move out of hisec as well. In short, buff manufacturing, invention, copying, research, offices etc heavily in nullsec, increase manufacturing costs and sales taxes etc in hisec, and as nullsec improves in sustainability, more incentives will be had by nullsec alliances to actually incentivize defense fleets, roaming gangs'll have things to do again, and hopefully a majority of the people who are currently griefing in hisec should find ways to keep occupied in nullsec instead of hisec.
There'll still be people who are deathly afraid of doing anything outside of hisec, and nobody'll be stopping them from doing exactly that; it'll just be less efficient to make isk there.
the tl;dr; of this^^
buff all the things I do! nerf everything others do!
Hate to burst your bubble, but even if you got all of the above requested stuff (not even going to say it's overly unreasonable) But in a month or two you'd be back crying for the removal of hi-sec towers displaying just how kneejerk all your suggestions are. |

TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.19 08:54:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: if you read his post, you'll note he says he doesn't do them, so your summary isn't very good
hth
Read it again, he does not say he doesn't do them.
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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.19 09:09:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:In short, buff manufacturing, invention, copying, research, offices etc heavily in nullsec, increase manufacturing costs and sales taxes etc in hisec
Lord Zim wrote:TheSkeptic wrote:But in a month or two you'd be back crying for the removal of hi-sec towers displaying just how kneejerk all your suggestions are. I see absolutely no reason to remove hisec towers, they're a ***** to grind up the standings for, and all they do is provide a few extra boons. And they can be taken down in a war. I'd love to see where you get the "just how kneejerk all your suggestions are". Do you have a list of "all my suggestions"? Care to provide that list?
By your suggestions, I was referring to the post I replied to... ltr
But... Do the buffs for null, then increase manu costs in hi-sec as you suggested above, and all you do is move manu from the stations to pos arrays.
So all you've really done is buffed null and increased sales tax in hi-sec. Btw I'm not saying don't buff null manu - it needs it. Just pointing out that raising hi-sec station manu costs will not push manu into low/null, but into hi-sec pos's. At which point the next logical bad suggestion will be the removal of hi-sec pos's, or at worst the removal of hi-sec pos assembly arrays.
Oh... and also raised the bar for entry level hi-sec manu competition
+ gaining the required standings is trivial and can be done in 4-5 hours... less if you're really keen.
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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.19 09:15:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:TheSkeptic wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: if you read his post, you'll note he says he doesn't do them, so your summary isn't very good
hth
Read it again, he does not say he doesn't do them. I guess you're all bittered up on nullhate, so I'll spell it out explicitly, just for you: I do not do the following in nullsec, because it's more effort vs reward than doing the same in hisec: - Mining - Ratting - Manufacturing - Inventing - Research - Copying I do not do the following in nullsec, because the pay is ****: - Salvaging I do the following in nullsec, because it's what nullsec is for: - Shoot people in the face and taunt them in local - Run PI extraction I do the following in hisec, because it's less effort vs reward than doing the same in nullsec: - Mining - Ratting - Manufacturing - Inventing - Research - Copying I do the following in hisec, because the reward is worth it: - PI Factories I do not do the following in hisec, because the pay is ****: - Salvaging I have decided to do the following in hisec, because nullsec is boring outside of fleets: - Gank mining barges - Gank freighters - Troll pubbies "gg" indeed. Care to try again?
My point was you didn't actually say either way what you did or didn't do in each area. Tbh I don't really care, most of what you describe is normal, although there is something laughable that just stood out.
Lord Zim wrote: I do the following in hisec, because it's less effort vs reward than doing the same in nullsec: - Ratting
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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.19 09:33:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: I take it you don't fathom the effort part of the "effort vs reward".
Avg BS rat in null is what 1.2m? Avg rat in hi-sec is what 8k?
If you'd rather troll around hi-sec and kill 150 rats instead of 1 BS in null go right ahead.
To me the effort far outweighs the rewards.
Lord Zim: I do the following in hisec, because it's less effort vs reward than doing the same in nullsec: - Ratting
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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.19 09:43:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:TheSkeptic wrote:Avg BS rat in null is what 1.2m? Avg rat in hi-sec is what 8k? So L4s are nothing but 8k rats? Interesting.
L4's are not ratting.
If only you had the ability to be articulate in your posts we'd be -1 page  Lord Zim: I do the following in hisec, because it's less effort vs reward than doing the same in nullsec: - Ratting
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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:37:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:TheSkeptic wrote:Lord Zim wrote:TheSkeptic wrote:Avg BS rat in null is what 1.2m? Avg rat in hi-sec is what 8k? So L4s are nothing but 8k rats? Interesting. L4's are not ratting. If only you had the ability to be articulate in your posts we'd be -1 page  You're in space, shooting rats. It's ratting. Or are you going to try to say that running anoms isn't ratting, but "anomming"?
I believe most call it plexing
Next you're going to call incursions ratting too. And exploration must also be ratting (on sites with rats) Lord Zim: I do the following in hisec, because it's less effort vs reward than doing the same in nullsec: - Ratting
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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:50:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:TheSkeptic wrote:I believe most call it plexing Anomalies != complexes.

http://www.think.cz/issue3/13/cluepon.gif Lord Zim: I do the following in hisec, because it's less effort vs reward than doing the same in nullsec: - Ratting
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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.19 10:58:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:"Hi, I'm TheSkeptic, an NPC corp char, and I'd rather argue semantics than the bigger, more important topics."
What are you? 12? seriously
 Lord Zim: I do the following in hisec, because it's less effort vs reward than doing the same in nullsec: - Ratting
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