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Steve Ronuken Cossette Moana 5	Posted - 2011.10.04 15:43:00 - [31] - Quote Bah. Gooni ite domum, if LoB is to be listened to
Oxygen Isotopes Tridan Industry Goonswarm Federation 15	Posted - 2011.10.04 18:28:00 - [32] - Quote I'm sorry, there will be no ice mining in Gallente space, or your Mackinaws will be destroyed. There is plenty of other ice belts out there in other regions. Though some people are now thirsty for what passes for PVP in this game. If they had other targets that were just floating in a single place for hours at a time, I'm sure they would attack them. Watch out for your orca's next!
The Mittani GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 777	Posted - 2011.10.06 07:14:00 - [33] - Quote most of them haven't realized yet that we're just killing everything that stands still long enough to be ganked, i gobbled up five hulks in two hours this evening and they all complained that they were 'belt miners' not 'ice miners' so why wasn't i leaving them to live and love in peace and harmony please do not change hisec i have so many long knives with which to stab you
Weaselior BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation 386	Posted - 2011.10.06 15:59:00 - [34] - Quote well it's simple if you're an ice miner you will be ganked that doesn't mean if you're not an ice miner you won't be ganked just that it's not garunteed you will be
Weaselior BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation 386	Posted - 2011.10.06 15:59:00 - [35] - Quote unlike mittens I can still find ice miners to gank and don't need to pad my stats with other unfortunate exhumers~~~
Jenn Makanen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.10.07 18:04:00 - [36] - Quote I have a perfect option for ice miners! Buy all the Brutix you can. Starve the goons of their Gank ships. It's a wonderful idea! This message has been brought to you by Associated Ship Builders.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance 9	Posted - 2011.10.08 01:54:00 - [37] - Quote RDevz wrote: Your other option is "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em". For a limited time only, we're offering empire ice miners the opportunity to join GoonWaffe, and to mine in relative safety in the ice belts of Cloud Ring. All it takes is a quick background check, to make sure you're not a PL/Ev0ke/random-hostile-of-the-month alt, a 500m security deposit (returned after a month) to make sure you're not going to start Awoxing immediately, and you're all set. Give me a shout in-game, and we can get you started back on the path to low-risk mining again. lol, for those that don't know it.. this is just another scam. Never trust anyone in eve.. especially not goons who are trying to recruit you. It's too late for them to be serious about this after scamming recruitment for years. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG]
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance 9	Posted - 2011.10.08 01:59:00 - [38] - Quote Dudicus Prime wrote: At least ice mining will see a little more excitements good luck Ice belts with no miners in them are hardly more exciting then the alternative. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG]
Taedrin Kushan Industrial 84	Posted - 2011.10.08 04:07:00 - [39] - Quote Pretty certain that pre-spawning CONCORD is considered an exploit.
Steelshine Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 6	Posted - 2011.10.08 08:12:00 - [40] - Quote Syndicate, Placid, Outer Ring
Orpheus Ovid Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.10.08 16:52:00 - [41] - Quote I haven't seen any Goons ganking ice miners...where are they ganking?
Sola Mercury Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.10.08 17:17:00 - [42] - Quote Orpheus Ovid wrote: I haven't seen any Goons ganking ice miners...where are they ganking? Ardallabier Jaschercis Stegette Angymonne Carirgnottin Ignebaener Tolle Actee Niballe Blue ice high sec sytems
Orpheus Ovid Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.10.08 17:36:00 - [43] - Quote thank you.
Krixtal Icefluxor The Scope Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2011.10.08 19:11:00 - [44] - Quote You forgot Aydoteaux system. Next door to Tolle and TWO Ice Belts. God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Yoshite McLulzypants People called Romanes they go the house 0	Posted - 2011.10.08 21:13:00 - [45] - Quote hai guise whats going on itt?
Sola Mercury Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.10.08 21:18:00 - [46] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: You forgot Aydoteaux system. Next door to Tolle and TWO Ice Belts. I also forgot Brapelille.
LeeMinKi Ministry of War Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.10.09 02:24:00 - [47] - Quote If anyone really is interested in making this fun for Goons here is what you do. Warp into the ice belt with an orca. Eject as many shuttles as you can hold. Dock up your orca and grab a frigate. Fly back to the belt and shoot one of your buddies. Concord with fill the belt, blowing up every one of your shuttles. Goons will try to draw concord away from the belt buy shooting each other at the closest station. After they do this, go back to the belt and shoot your buddy again. Rinse and repeat. With that many concord in the belts, it will take nothing less than an alpha strike from a minmatar battleship to pop the macks.
LeeMinKi Ministry of War Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.10.09 02:35:00 - [48] - Quote Oh, and if you have the nut. You could always wardec em and camp the gates.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 353	Posted - 2011.10.09 05:52:00 - [49] - Quote LeeMinKi wrote: With that many concord in the belts, it will take nothing less than an alpha strike from a minmatar battleship to pop the macks. So the exhumer still dies, the goon gets reimbursed for his dead BS and the miner is out not just his ship but the amount of time it took him to mess around baiting concord that didn't save him in the end. Sounds like a brilliant plan! The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Sizeof Void Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.09 13:14:00 - [50] - Quote Someone just posted an interesting option in a comment in the "My Loot, Your Tears" blog - just switch to a Covetor. The Covetor can mine up to 33 units of ice per hour (vs. 44 for the Mack and 36 for the Hulk), at a fraction of the loss cost (about 6-1/2 M ISK, after insurance) of the Mack or Hulk. So, you could lose one every 30 minutes and still break even. I doubt that even the Goons and allies could keep up that sort of gank rate for very long.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 409	Posted - 2011.10.10 02:41:00 - [51] - Quote Sizeof Void wrote: I doubt that even the Goons and allies could keep up that sort of gank rate for very long. lol The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Killstealing Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 13	Posted - 2011.10.10 07:28:00 - [52] - Quote there's another way to stay even and maybe even profit while playing eve and not having to ice mine suicide gank ice miners
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 89	Posted - 2011.10.10 08:38:00 - [53] - Quote Surely there are more gallente systems with blue ice then those 10 systems mentioned Check your dotlan maps , i am pretty sure you can find a nice high sec island with alot of belts and ice in them and just repeating what i wrote before Spawning concord in your belt will not help you one bit , Concord will attack onlmy after you ve been attacked and since a alpha strike will kill any mack CONCORD will just respawn to kill the gankers , plus it is seen as a minor exploit and can get you a nice warning from CCP MINE SMART and stay alive , eventually this will stop when people are getting tired ond bored of this or when too many people need to repair there security standing again Goons Delenda Est I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.10 14:55:00 - [54] - Quote pussnheels wrote: Surely there are more gallente systems with blue ice then those 10 systems mentioned Check your dotlan maps , i am pretty sure you can find a nice high sec island with alot of belts and ice in them and just repeating what i wrote before Spawning concord in your belt will not help you one bit , Concord will attack onlmy after you ve been attacked and since a alpha strike will kill any mack CONCORD will just respawn to kill the gankers , plus it is seen as a minor exploit and can get you a nice warning from CCP MINE SMART and stay alive , eventually this will stop when people are getting tired ond bored of this or when too many people need to repair there security standing again Goons Delenda Est 17 systems, two are deep island systems, 1 doesn't have a station
Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2011.10.22 23:52:00 - [55] - Quote Just simply strategize. The better you are at preparing for every possible ganking scenario, the better your chances at survival. Sacrifice your MLUs and fit your mining ships for either maximum buffer, maximum resist or whatever other tactic you use. Not only that, don't afk mine (not even semi-afk). They're all hoping that you mess up.
Mal Nina The Red Circle Inc. 1	Posted - 2011.10.23 03:30:00 - [56] - Quote Actually I have to applaud Goons for the current campaign. It is brilliant in its inception, only latter will we truly know if it is effective in its execution for such a campaign will have to be long. The griefing of hisec ice miners by Goons is actually an audacious tactic that fits in nicely with the concept of total war. It is an implementation of the embodiment of economic warfare in total war. If you can ruin your enemyGÇÖs economics and sustain your own while pressing them militarily, informationally, and diplomatically you should prevail. One might ask if this was by design, but it works brilliantly. The constant presence of Goons in the forums where this comes up is a part of the information campaign. You use psyops to get your enemies to fear you and prevent them from any sort of cohesive counteraction. The answers thus far are exactly in line with that sort of campaign, again perhaps by design, perhaps not, but somewhat effective all the same if it gets miners out of the belts. As a miner your success will be measured by the bottom line. Can you outlast the goons and still make a profit doing what you have always done. The goons are betting you wonGÇÖt or you will get tired of this constant alert status you have to have to go do something else. In the end the success of the goons campaign will be measured by the price of Oxygen isotopes and their own ability to gain territory and get you to bow to them. Of course economic warfare where you do not control a vast number of the resources is doomed to failure. I have no doubt that even now large number of ice miners are having a field day in nullsec outside of goon space. If goons use military warfare to attempt to control these belts then they have a chance of winning, if not this was just an exercise in messing with hisec ice miners. At the end of the day it may just be a few goons at the top of the heap that actually benefit from this attempted blockade of ice. You know, the ones that bought lots of Oxygen isotopes before the announcement of the campaign and are now profiting. Of course it is the goon soldier in the field that is potentially loosing Isk as they suicide gank. If that is the case then who really scammed who in this fight? Each of you will have your own answer to that question. Granted some of those soldiers will have gladly done the griefing just to do it regardless the cost. Everyone has their own way of playing the game. Bottom line, I applaud goonswarm for upping the ante and trying to implement ecomomic warefare. But I still have to root for the little guys out there just trying to make a living GÇª it sort of a David and Golith type of thing.
Belrend Coregaul Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.10.25 06:06:00 - [57] - Quote The Mittani wrote: most of them haven't realized yet that we're just killing everything that stands still long enough to be ganked, i gobbled up five hulks in two hours this evening and they all complained that they were 'belt miners' not 'ice miners' so why wasn't i leaving them to live and love in peace and harmony please do not change hisec i have so many long knives with which to stab you You're a disgrace to CCP. The fact you're part of the CSM is a joke and you should be deleted and removed from the game. Miners are already underpowered in all aspects of eve. Go pick on some Gdamn incursion pilots. Worthless scumbags. EDIT: And no, I've never been ganked. You're just worthless enough to gain this response which you like to call 'tears' whether or not it's actually 'truth'.
People's Republic ofChina My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom 0	Posted - 2011.10.26 10:57:00 - [58] - Quote pussnheels wrote: It will not work coNCORD will only react after a attack so by the time they react you are fried ; second if i am not mistakekn; your idea is seen as a exploit by ccp and you get a friendly warning first time Best defence is to mine smart there s been plenty of threads explaining how to minimize the risks of getting ganked i am not going to repeat them And for th Goons we all know they a bunch of liars idiots and cheaters who are scared to death attacking something that actually can shoot back so don't take any notice of these goons trolling Goons Delenda Est Incorrect, I suicide gank regularly and was once caught off guard by CONCORD pre-spawned in the belt, I got a single shot off from my Catalyst in 0.6sec. If they are already in the belt/location they will react much faster than usual. It isn't an exploit, I tried to report this behaviour and was told by a GM, much to my chagrin, that it was legitimate as long as they weren't biomassing alts constantly to avoid the sec penalty of doing this. As long as you deal with the penalties of the sec loss, however pointless they may be to the alt, they are good with it. Consequently, if CONCORD has already been spawned in the system somewhere else far away (>150km) it will take them longer than normal to arrive. So you can do this to prime the system for easier suicide ganks.
People's Republic ofChina My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom 0	Posted - 2011.10.26 10:59:00 - [59] - Quote Belrend Coregaul wrote: The Mittani wrote: most of them haven't realized yet that we're just killing everything that stands still long enough to be ganked, i gobbled up five hulks in two hours this evening and they all complained that they were 'belt miners' not 'ice miners' so why wasn't i leaving them to live and love in peace and harmony please do not change hisec i have so many long knives with which to stab you You're a disgrace to CCP. The fact you're part of the CSM is a joke and you should be deleted and removed from the game. Miners are already underpowered in all aspects of eve. Go pick on some Gdamn incursion pilots. Worthless scumbags. EDIT: And no, I've never been ganked. You're just worthless enough to gain this response which you like to call 'tears' whether or not it's actually 'truth'. It's like throwing the dodgeball at the fat kid or stealing candy from children when their parents aren't looking, easy targets that can't defend themselves. The enjoyment comes from denying someone else something or ruining someone else's day, any loot gained is just bonus.
DetKhord Saisio Unchained Potential Test Alliance Please Ignore 4	Posted - 2011.10.26 11:35:00 - [60] - Quote Retar Aveymone wrote: pussnheels wrote: Surely there are more gallente systems with blue ice then those 10 systems mentioned Check your dotlan maps , i am pretty sure you can find a nice high sec island with alot of belts and ice in them and just repeating what i wrote before Spawning concord in your belt will not help you one bit , Concord will attack onlmy after you ve been attacked and since a alpha strike will kill any mack CONCORD will just respawn to kill the gankers , plus it is seen as a minor exploit and can get you a nice warning from CCP MINE SMART and stay alive , eventually this will stop when people are getting tired ond bored of this or when too many people need to repair there security standing again Goons Delenda Est 17 systems, two are deep island systems, 1 doesn't have a station The seventeen Gallente Federation systems with twenty-three ice fields in empre in all their glory. System - Ice Fields Actee - 2 Ala - 2 Angymonne - 3 Antollare - 1 Ardallabier - 1 Brapelille - 1 Carirgnottin - 1 Chelien - 1 Deninard - 1 Ignebaener - 2 Jaschercis - 1 Misneden - 1 Niballe - 1 Stegette - 1 Tolle - 1 Vaurent - 1

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