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Seto Mazzarotto	Posted - 2005.03.30 20:08:00 - [61] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain But what exactly makes you think people want to be set free? You claim most of people you meet on the streets are unhappy, yet you have no proof of this. Do you know how the Guristas bolster their numbers? Venal becomes the destination of entire crews of Caldari Navy who say 'screw this', after being fed streams of lies and dangerous patrol orders as their funding gets severed to fund corporate police forces and CONCORD. And of course, social programs. Because those laid-off corporate employees and demilitarized soldiers are so cared-for to in their research lab cages. And those blue-collar workers in the factories? A single step shy of joining them. If that's the State, I can only imagine the horrors of the Federation when bureaucracy gets thrown into the mix. As for pirates and the like, whoever said pod pilots would stop hunting them down and slaughtering them like sheep? ----------- Fighting for the ideals of freespace, posthuman ethics, and rock & roll.
Jakk Graiseach	Posted - 2005.03.30 21:06:00 - [62] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Vote for a glorious leader, vote against CONCORD, vote for Mentas Blaque ! The only candidate who cares enough to speak to us. I hate to be the one to point this out, but the guy speaking here as Mentas Blaque seems to have somehow been renamed to "Mentally Blank" on Galnet. Probably a fair assessment of his, or indeed any, election platform... -- All accounts cancelled - have fun guys
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.30 22:10:00 - [63] Originally by: Jakk Graiseach Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Vote for a glorious leader, vote against CONCORD, vote for Mentas Blaque ! The only candidate who cares enough to speak to us. I hate to be the one to point this out, but the guy speaking here as Mentas Blaque seems to have somehow been renamed to "Mentally Blank" on Galnet. Probably a fair assessment of his, or indeed any, election platform... (( Hehe actually thats because hes someones an alt. Its to bad CCP/ISD/Aurora dont have time to do anything Elections related but wont allow players to do it either. )) --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.03.30 22:15:00 - [64] I can't believe how easily we've all been hoodwinked by some cheap fairground impersonator with a skingraft mask. Still he did sound just like Mentas Blaque and to be honest, he did about as well as I'd expect the man himself to do. Bit of a blow for your election campaign eh Joshua ... must have been a bit of a shock to be endorse a mindless flesh puppet by mistake? Star Fraction
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.30 22:18:00 - [65] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 30/03/2005 22:18:26 Wanna know whats really funny? Mentas Blaque never existed. A fact i reported months ago but nobody listened. 1 candicate down only 2 to go... --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.03.30 23:23:00 - [66] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 30/03/2005 22:18:26 Wanna know whats really funny? Mentas Blaque never existed. A fact i reported months ago but nobody listened. 1 candicate down only 2 to go... Its pretty funny, but I guess Mentas Blaque was never trained as a capsule pilot right? Its the capsule trained people that appear in the Concord Registry of pilots I think. Hence my question about Blaque's war record. Clearly the guy has never had his arse off the stuffed cushions of his senators chair. Given that, I can't see exactly why anyone would count on him to lead the federation. What the people need is a leader who's about the future and leading from the front, not some stuffed-shirt bureacrat who's knowledge of battle and leadership comes out of self-help guides Course you know my opinion. The other guys are just as bad. Star Fraction
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.03.30 23:40:00 - [67] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 30/03/2005 23:44:51 OMG I'VE BEEN GAGGED BY THE REAL MENTAS BLAQUE http://eve.klaki.net/
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.31 00:02:00 - [68] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 30/03/2005 22:18:26 Wanna know whats really funny? Mentas Blaque never existed. A fact i reported months ago but nobody listened. 1 candicate down only 2 to go... Its pretty funny, but I guess Mentas Blaque was never trained as a capsule pilot right? Its the capsule trained people that appear in the Concord Registry of pilots I think. Hence my question about Blaque's war record. Clearly the guy has never had his arse off the stuffed cushions of his senators chair. Given that, I can't see exactly why anyone would count on him to lead the federation. What the people need is a leader who's about the future and leading from the front, not some stuffed-shirt bureacrat who's knowledge of battle and leadership comes out of self-help guides Course you know my opinion. The other guys are just as bad. Well Blaque is supposed to be the head of the Senate, which ingame is Mr. Pelvin or something. And its not only pilots in the Concord registry, the Amarr emperor can be found be found in there, last time i checked he aint no pilot The president can be found as well, he aint no pod pilot either --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Vera Liskrii	Posted - 2005.03.31 02:41:00 - [69] Quote: This is an important point: we do not propose that people place their fate in Star Fraction's hands or The Glamour Bunnies' hands, but rather in their own hands. A lofty goal indeed. However, the one inconsistency I find with this is Star Fraction's non-stance towards traditional forms of slavery. If the social contract is essentially a slave contract, and it is Star Fraction's position to eliminate the social contract; wouldn't slavery fall under another form of social contract that needs to eliminated? Unless of course this new world order only applies to us elite pod pilots. Quote: We envision humanity moving to a new level, the level of individual freedom of action, away from the established structures of territorialism and parochial hiving off from each other, and towards a free associational mode of living. I can't see these ideas actually working. If the "outmoded" systems of government are demolished, anarchy would inevitably ensue. And not the fluffy kind of anarchy where everybody gets along, but the kind of anarchy where might makes right. And in the midst of the chaos, a new form of social contract will be established. Who knows what shape it will take, but it will happen. Simply put, people are more than willing to give up some freedom for a little peace of mind. Quote: We do not deny human history to date, but we also do not condemn humanity to nothing better than an outmoded hierarchical order of territorial dependency, subject to periodic tinkering. We believe humanity can, and must, do better than this to move beyond what is, in essence, consensual slavery. I don't think humanity has reached the stage where they can be trusted to act responsibly without governance (myself included). But who knows, perhaps Star Fraction is merely ahead of its time. It is entirely possible that humanity may reach that point one day. And people will recognize Star Fraction as the forerunner to a true post-human society. Until such time though, I shall continue to enjoy living in consensual slavery . "Tell me what you eat, and I'll tell you what you are" - Vera Liskrii, Goddess of Ni-Kunni Cuisine
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2005.03.31 05:33:00 - [70] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain I think you qualify as an Anarchist Terrorist Group that is a bigger threat then the UDI due to the large number of skilled Pod Pilots among your ranks. Sorry, but I just can't let this bit of pompous jackassery slide by. We are a terrorist group? A bigger threat than the UDI? Let me ask you, my foul-tongued friend, just what do you know of terrorism? Terrorism is the Lame Ducks killing freshly-graduated Gallente miners in Luminaire. A series of acts which, by the way, many members of what is now the Star Fraction opposed with military force. How many more innocent lives would have been lost were it not for this opposition? Terrorism is the UDI destroying an entire space station, killing everyone in it, and attacking the surrounding luxury yachts. Once again, by the way, it was members of what is now the Star Fraction who, among others, were there to respond to the UDI with military force. How many more innocent lives would have been lost were it not for this opposition? Terrorism, in my opinion, is also warships of the CVA, a pro-imperialist Amarr paramilitary force, bringing Gallente citizens into Gallente space and letting them expire as the jettison can in which they were interred imploded in space. Members of the Star Fraction attempted to recover these citizens, though this attempt was unsuccessful due to the presence of the aforementioned CVA warships (as the Star Fraction had been, as we are now, at war with the CVA). I don't recall you or the Gallente military being there to help in any of those instances. The Gallente military apparently turned a blind eye to the actions of the Lame Ducks. Likewise they did nothing to help the Gallente citizens who were dying in Luminaire in their jettison can. While they did arrive at the site of the UDI massacre, they did so after the UDI had been driven off. The fact that you can justify to yourself calling us a greater terrorist threat than the UDI tells me that you are ignorant of both recent history and our philosophy. Go back to your Federation hero-worship, the adults here need to talk. There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.31 11:07:00 - [71] Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Lotsa text Originally by: Jakk Graiseach All governments in our galaxy are driven by selfish territorialism and will be brought down. We have a corrupt 'democracy', a corrupt 'republic', a corrupt 'theocracy' and a corrupt 'libertarian capitalist state' - in addition to the several corrupt landgrabbing alliances that inhabit the wilderness... A target rich environment for the FreeSpace movement. When someone uses violence in an attempt to destroy something they dont believe in one becomes a terrorist. Ignore me or deal with it... --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
KhanJohn	Posted - 2005.03.31 11:39:00 - [72] Quote: Why do you speak then? Are you not an "outsider". What a strange term to use. We aren't allowed to express out opinions on something unless we are in agreeance with it? Unfortuneatly i do not speak on behalf of Ushra'Khan but if you have noticed i have a job to report things news worthy for the Eve Guardian Newspaper Nooey i myself hate to get involved in too much politics which is why i shuddered at the thought Quote: I don't know what this is. I thought someone such as yourself would understand the situation better. Are you trying to sow seeds of discord here KhanJohn? They will never grow in the earth of common ground shared between SF and GLB. I don't mean disrespect, I just am surprised to see such words from you. By no means am i trying to sow seeds of discord and one thing that bugs me is i wasnt trying to point a finger at SF i like you misunderstood the opinions being raised as an SF view, i apologise for that i also came to the assumption there was some hostility due to the posts here, doesnt represent how x-allies generally talk to each other...they are usually more restrained...In general i am dissapointed that said pilots who ahve posted continue to bicker against a simple campaign thread, let the man speak...by all means question his choices together but offical questions must be at presidential press conference and by his rival candidates, thats how democracy generally works. (ooc - this thread was going great until you started argueing between yourselves and then it went even worse when pointing out soem fot he flaws in CCP's storyline/records...)
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2005.03.31 12:10:00 - [73] Edited by: Gaius Kador on 31/03/2005 12:14:01 Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Terrorism, in my opinion, is also warships of the CVA, a pro-imperialist Amarr paramilitary force, bringing Gallente citizens into Gallente space and letting them expire as the jettison can in which they were interred imploded in space. Members of the Star Fraction attempted to recover these citizens, though this attempt was unsuccessful due to the presence of the aforementioned CVA warships (as the Star Fraction had been, as we are now, at war with the CVA). Thruth is not meant to be subjective, Shintoko. Truth is absolute. A mission of mercy To compare the CVA with your own UDI is at best laughable, and speaks volumes of your integrity regarding such matters. ----------------------------------------------
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.03.31 12:11:00 - [74] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Lotsa text Originally by: Jakk Graiseach All governments in our galaxy are driven by selfish territorialism and will be brought down. We have a corrupt 'democracy', a corrupt 'republic', a corrupt 'theocracy' and a corrupt 'libertarian capitalist state' - in addition to the several corrupt landgrabbing alliances that inhabit the wilderness... A target rich environment for the FreeSpace movement. When someone uses violence in an attempt to destroy something they dont believe in one becomes a terrorist. Ignore me or deal with it... Ah so all Navies are terrorists. As is everyone who ever shot a pirate. Kudos Josh for enlightening us with your definition of terrorist which encapsulates 99% of all pod pilots. --------------------------------------------------
Jakk Graiseach	Posted - 2005.03.31 12:34:00 - [75] Originally by: theRaptor Originally by: Joshua Foiritain When someone uses violence in an attempt to destroy something they dont believe in one becomes a terrorist. Ignore me or deal with it... Ah so all Navies are terrorists. As is everyone who ever shot a pirate. Kudos Josh for enlightening us with your definition of terrorist which encapsulates 99% of all pod pilots. I already copied up the exact definition of terrorism for him. You're wasting your breath Rappy - he even argues with the dictionary on semantics. Complete waste of rations and the sooner someone puts him out of his misery the better, in my opinion... -- All accounts cancelled - have fun guys
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.03.31 13:17:00 - [76] Originally by: Jakk Graiseach Originally by: theRaptor Originally by: Joshua Foiritain When someone uses violence in an attempt to destroy something they dont believe in one becomes a terrorist. Ignore me or deal with it... Ah so all Navies are terrorists. As is everyone who ever shot a pirate. Kudos Josh for enlightening us with your definition of terrorist which encapsulates 99% of all pod pilots. I already copied up the exact definition of terrorism for him. You're wasting your breath Rappy - he even argues with the dictionary on semantics. Complete waste of rations and the sooner someone puts him out of his misery the better, in my opinion... Ah but the dictionary does not apply here. Just like laws do not apply when one doesnt want them to. Hell a pirate aint actually a pirate if he isnt doing anything wrong so the navy would be shooting a civilian. Youre welcome to try and kill me, though fairly pointless due to cloning. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Jakk Graiseach	Posted - 2005.03.31 14:08:00 - [77] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Ah but the dictionary does not apply here. Bunny orange telekinesis cough sixty poet where missed fnord pope extra billy jasper? -- All accounts cancelled - have fun guys
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.03.31 15:07:00 - [78] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 31/03/2005 15:08:45 Hah, he skipped Shintoko's volley just like he ducked mine. That guy's got all the hallmarks of a trueborn politian - slippery as an eel Still, screw this for a game of bread soldiers! Vote Kaleigh Doyle for a proper choice. (always trust big red hairstyles btw.) Star Fraction
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.03.31 17:14:00 - [79] Originally by: Jakk Graiseach Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Ah but the dictionary does not apply here. Bunny orange telekinesis cough sixty poet where missed fnord pope extra billy jasper? Can't...stop....laughing.... "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2005.04.01 01:50:00 - [80] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Lotsa text Whoah! That's feckin' awesome! I'm going to have to use that quite a bit! Lets see... Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Lotsa text You're missing the point. Go back and read it again. Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Lotsa text Nope, sorry, that's incorrect. Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Lotsa text If you're going to try to make a point, please follow through. Nothing I hate more than a man with no follow through. There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2005.04.01 11:21:00 - [81] Originally by: Various Lotsa text. Snappy one-liner.
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2005.04.01 14:36:00 - [82] Ain't it, though? There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
Marie Trudeau	Posted - 2005.04.02 20:40:00 - [83] Originally by: Vera Liskrii A lofty goal indeed. However, the one inconsistency I find with this is Star Fraction's non-stance towards traditional forms of slavery. If the social contract is essentially a slave contract, and it is Star Fraction's position to eliminate the social contract; wouldn't slavery fall under another form of social contract that needs to eliminated? Unless of course this new world order only applies to us elite pod pilots. Initially it does, you are correct. Our notion is that, as capsule pilots, we have an opportunity to create a new kind of society on the frontier, a society which should reflect the next progression of humanity, and which will eventually flow back to Empire space and planetside societies. Initially, it will be capsule pilots, and we are focused on this initial phase, standing where we do in history. We believe that the way to eliminate slavery of all kinds is to move humanity towards a post-nationalist, post-territorial phase, and we believe that capsule pilots should be leading the way in this progression, rather than creating poor replicates of the existing outmoded social models. ---------------------------

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