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manus
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.20 01:14:00 -
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Hello,
Been trying to get a hold on some nocx down in molden heath and its definately not easy. I was fine with isogen being somewhat of a pain because at least i could mine it. But nocxium thats a different story. I was aiming for finding some gravimetric sites through exploration, that hopefully would have some nocx roids, but due to my time of play these kinds of sites have already been raided.
So i was thinking how come some roids are only staticly found in minmatar space, and others only in caldari/amarr etc. And while we are at it, how come some roids are only found in 0.0 and low-sec? |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
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Posted - 2012.10.20 01:21:00 -
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manus the hands of fate wrote:So i was thinking how come some roids are only staticly found in minmatar space, and others only in caldari/amarr etc. And while we are at it, how come some roids are only found in 0.0 and low-sec?
To promote trading, exploring, travel, and sometimes to add risk.
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manus
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Posted - 2012.10.20 01:29:00 -
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pardon my crudeness but travel sucks why would they want to promote that. and by the looks of it trade is burdoned because of the scarcity |
Stan Smith
Deathraven Industries
The AirShip Pirates
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Posted - 2012.10.20 01:41:00 -
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manus wrote:pardon my crudeness but travel sucks why would they want to promote that. and by the looks of it trade is burdoned because of the scarcity
to get people to go to different parts of space to do stuff outside of their comfort zone?
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Gorn Arming
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.20 01:52:00 -
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If it's scarce, buy some, bring it down there, and sell it at a profit.
How that was not your first thought when confronted with this situation is a mystery to me. |
manus
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Posted - 2012.10.20 01:57:00 -
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Stan Smith wrote:manus wrote:pardon my crudeness but travel sucks why would they want to promote that. and by the looks of it trade is burdoned because of the scarcity to get people to go to different parts of space to do stuff outside of their comfort zone?
Obviously we dont know. But if that is the reason it doesent add much from a gameplay perspective |
manus
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:00:00 -
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Sell orders are pretty much the same throughout highsec, suppose i can make friends with the amarr faction go there mine some nocx haul it back. But still why do they get a monopoly on pyroxeres so to speak |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:01:00 -
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manus wrote:Stan Smith wrote:to get people to go to different parts of space to do stuff outside of their comfort zone? Obviously we dont know. But if that is the reason it doesent add much from a gameplay perspective
Originally it was probably done to make some space more valuable than others, especially considering the whole risk/reward paradigm. You have to travel to low-sec and null-sec for the rarer ores, exposing yourself to risk in order to gain greater rewards.
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Gorn Arming
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:08:00 -
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manus wrote:Sell orders are pretty much the same throughout highsec, suppose i can make friends with the amarr faction go there mine some nocx haul it back. But still why do they get a monopoly on pyroxeres so to speak
Are you trolling?
If sell orders are the same as they are in highsec, just buy from the market. You have no supply issues. What kind of rocks are you smoking? |
manus
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:10:00 -
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Well the isk/m3 when it comes to mining the various roids is pretty equal, except for arkonor which still stands out. So one could argue that risk/reward does not exist anymore when it comes to mining, but thats a whole different story. I guess my complaint is that nocxium is 'hard' to get in minnie space. And i look with envious eyes toward Amarr/Caldari who seemingly can mine it at will |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:12:00 -
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manus wrote:And i look with envious eyes toward Amarr/Caldari who seemingly can mine it at will
Then move to Caldari or Amarr space.
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manus
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:18:00 -
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What i mean is why does nocxium exist in high sec belts in amarr/caldari space and dont in minmatar for example |
Gorn Arming
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:21:00 -
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Man, it's like arguing with a zombie. |
Athena Themis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:21:00 -
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Let's make every system in eve the exact same!!! |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:23:00 -
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manus wrote:What i mean is why does nocxium exist in high sec belts in amarr/caldari space and dont in minmatar for example
For because.
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manus
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:23:00 -
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Calling people zombies is like meh. Posting with alts is like meh^2
Anyway, variation and dynamicsGäó is nice. Thats why having the option of mining nocx is appealing |
Sarmea Moon
Universal Freelance
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:26:00 -
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manus wrote:Well the isk/m3 when it comes to mining the various roids is pretty equal, except for arkonor which still stands out. So one could argue that risk/reward does not exist anymore when it comes to mining, but thats a whole different story. I guess my complaint is that nocxium is 'hard' to get in minnie space. And i look with envious eyes toward Amarr/Caldari who seemingly can mine it at will
Concord space has it too, like Tar, and Pahkshi which are 0.8 systems that are 1-2 jumps from a major gallente hub (Oursulaert).
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse [lady of commercial virtue]. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.- James Nicoll |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2012.10.20 02:51:00 -
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Fairly certain that the tradeoff is you can't get isogen in Caldari/Amarr space
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith
or the devils gonna claim your soul
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:05:00 -
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It was a balanced system when EVE was young. 9 years of murdering the loot tables and the reproc to mining conditions of regions has left it not so balanced. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:18:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:Fairly certain that the tradeoff is you can't get isogen in Caldari/Amarr space
You can get isogen in Amarr Space, mine Kernite.
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Theangryhobo
EntroPrelatial Industria
EntroPraetorian Aegis
108
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:26:00 -
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No one likes Amarr space though. Caldari is where a majority of highsec activity is, thanks to Jita.
www.minerbumping.com |
Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1653
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:33:00 -
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I like it  , got an alt that mines there, systems are nice and quiet and I'm slap bang in the middle of a route to 2 trade hubs.
Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum
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Theangryhobo
EntroPrelatial Industria
EntroPraetorian Aegis
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:45:00 -
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The quiet part is nice. It is way too bright for me though. I prefer Gallente myself.
www.minerbumping.com |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:48:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Saede Riordan wrote:Fairly certain that the tradeoff is you can't get isogen in Caldari/Amarr space You can get isogen in Amarr Space, mine Kernite.
in lowsec. Or in exploration sites that are often left just as drained as the explo sites everywhere else. Thats the point, Isogen and Noxium are worth a bit more, and are a bit more difficult to obtain.
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith
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Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:59:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Saede Riordan wrote:Fairly certain that the tradeoff is you can't get isogen in Caldari/Amarr space You can get isogen in Amarr Space, mine Kernite. in lowsec. Or in exploration sites that are often left just as drained as the explo sites everywhere else. Thats the point, Isogen and Noxium are worth a bit more, and are a bit more difficult to obtain.
Nope Kernite is available in hisec Amarr space, 0.5 and 0.6 systems have it in abundance. In Caldari space it's only in losec.
Eve Ore Grid
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
Alliance not Found
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Posted - 2012.10.20 10:29:00 -
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manus wrote:pardon my crudeness but travel sucks why would they want to promote that. and by the looks of it trade is burdoned because of the scarcity
Despite this well thought out and incisive arguement the non-universality of ore source distribution is to encourage movement and trade.
If you want Pyroxeres or Kernite (in particular) in Gal or Matari space, and are unwilling to travel, you must purchase from the market. Scarcity in these regions allows those who may already have exploited the meagre local resources (the Grav sites) to charge more for their ore and that leaves space in the profit calculations for those who are willing to move large volumes from areas where it is abundant. If the prices are effectively the same throughout EVE then it's entirely down to those people ensuring that the distribution of the product is relatively universal...
In general the market is far less flat than implied and that means that there is a payoff for those who realise that many believe, as per your quote above, that "travel sucks" and are willing to put up with a bit of suck for the cash. |
S'Way
Bitter Vets
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Posted - 2012.10.20 10:35:00 -
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Run L4 missions and reprocess the items the rats drop - every mineral type you want there (except morphite since they took the drone alloys out). |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:00:00 -
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Theangryhobo wrote:No one likes Amarr space though.
Some of us do !
And believe me, we are kissing the feet of Our God for keeping Omber out of our wonderful space. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:03:00 -
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manus wrote:Stan Smith wrote:manus wrote:pardon my crudeness but travel sucks why would they want to promote that. and by the looks of it trade is burdoned because of the scarcity to get people to go to different parts of space to do stuff outside of their comfort zone? Obviously we dont know. But if that is the reason it doesent add much from a gameplay perspective
You see that whole actual economy run entirely by players thing that EVE has?
Yeah, that is only possible because of things like this. If any idiot could go out an easily find all the component parts for something and assemble it with minimal effort and assistance, then this game wouldn't have a real economy, it would have a themepark "economy" like all the other MMOs.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
946
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:04:00 -
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S'Way wrote:Run L4 missions and reprocess the items the rats drop - every mineral type you want there (except morphite since they took the drone alloys out).
Calculate the meager (maybe 400 units of Nocx in a DAY) ISK/hour of that, as opposed to buying from the market, and this "Mine With A Gun" concept is a trap for the unenlightened. |
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