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Jean Francois
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Posted - 2003.07.04 09:58:00 -
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#1. Please stop this childish behaviour with your silly "nerf bat". CCP have fixed a bug and in doing so have reduced your damage. No fair? Tough! You shouldnt have had this damage in the first place, and so its a fix not a nerf. Im tired of wading through posts filled with "nerf bats" from immature people jumping on the bandwagon.
#2. Please stop attempting to insult people who dont see this game as pure PvP as "carebears". I know this is a game, but do you really need to act so childlike? You wonder why CCP dont take note of your comments, when your actions are so childish.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.07.04 09:59:00 -
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Well said.
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Ruulex DeMors
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Posted - 2003.07.04 10:03:00 -
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Well said...but on the flip side, it makes my 8 hrs of work fly by. Almost as entertaining as reading the Planetside boards when it was first released. ;-)
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KillerQuokka
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Posted - 2003.07.04 10:06:00 -
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I agree that the whole nerf bat thing is getting a little out of hand -I prefer my M0o cow anyway :)
The simple fact is that damage in now what it should be, and people have to get used to the fact that the days of totally insane (as oppossed to now moderately insane) damage is now firmly over......
But the M0o cartoons on the other hand.... - keep them coming! - they are a service to all of us that are stuck at work and need cheering up :)
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Madcow
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Posted - 2003.07.04 10:06:00 -
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Well said.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.07.04 10:06:00 -
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hehe...i know what u mean :)
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.07.04 10:46:00 -
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"#1. Please stop this childish behaviour with your silly "nerf bat". CCP have fixed a bug "
WHERE??
i thought they just made more of them each patch day. after all, theres just as many, if not more, bugs in this build than there was in build 936
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vyperpit
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Posted - 2003.07.04 10:57:00 -
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k why do people when they see the nerf bat say "oh your weapons got nerfed live with it"
FFS it is not just weapons some of what they have done would have been good but they made huge amounts of probelms arise.
this is not a simple sit down and never be heard this is now a protest about a shoddy job if ccp knew there may be probelms then don't patch do more tests.
so just STFU with weapons it is not just that.
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Jean Francois
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Posted - 2003.07.04 11:06:00 -
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#1. Please stop this childish behaviour with your silly "nerf bat".
I see this immature "nerf bat" similar to when a teenager is going through their "rebelious" phase... eventually they grow out of it... lets hope you bat swingers do to..
P.S. vyperpit please keep things civil on the boards there is no need for such language, albeit in acronym format.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.07.04 11:10:00 -
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actually its a protest.
theres nothing imature about that.
being as you have a french name im sure you know all about people throwing their arms up and going on strike and protesting about everything from the weather to the price of dead animals.
At least we are doing it without stopping everyone else going about their usual business.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.07.04 11:14:00 -
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No, it is childish and you look and sound like children. Simple as that. How do you expect anyone, much less CCP to take you seriously when you act like toddlers? Take you head out of your arse and grow up.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.07.04 11:15:00 -
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Well said!
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Jean Francois
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Posted - 2003.07.04 11:17:00 -
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So you're protesting.. right..
Did it not occur to you to possibly even think about having a civil and mature discussion about your supposed problems?
From what we see here...
"A nerf bat of *** abandon" yes a real protest here..
You thought it would be smart, you thought it would be funny.. its a real shame that any serious points that you may or may not have had get marred by this silly behaviour.
If you want to be heard stop with the childish behaviour/(protest as you like to say) Im sure you will find it more fruitful.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.07.04 11:20:00 -
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You're in a mall. You see a kid crying and stamping his feet cos is parents wont buy him what he wants...he cries more and stamps his feet more...
What are you thinking?
The same as most of us when we see those stupid nerf bats.
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vyperpit
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Posted - 2003.07.04 11:25:00 -
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guys like every ting in teh past you look at the totem and not the problem.
so what if we come off in a gruff maner know ones asks you to post against us we have tried to post in a respectable way to start with.
but we get deleted told that it is not allowed we breake rules.
i'm sorry the service we get on the forums to express our anger can not tell you what we really think.
alot of us protesters have been in from early days in beta and have seen this act from ccp before. to you new gusy who have not well you will soon.
nothing is changing in the service they give us in total and utter shams. i was an avid supporter of eve and i had all intensions just to bow my head and stick with it.
But i decied why should i i luv the game as much as anyone else but i seem to be more annoyed then anyone lese for what and how we are being treated.
i woudl not be suprised if this post gets deleted and it is blammed on us. so gar we have never acted and player verbally my post above was a genral not aimed at one person.
now comments made about our protest . each person who does is a diorect violation of teh rules and as such you shoudl have you post edited at least if not deleted.
but no your posts stay and we are turned more and more into the bad guys which is wrong and out of order when we focus only at the poor job ccp have done for us so far and seem to keep doing.
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Jean Francois
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Posted - 2003.07.04 11:35:00 -
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So you will continue "stamping your feet" then?
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.07.04 11:38:00 -
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vyp, your keyboard broke mate?
as for jean:
"Did it not occur to you to possibly even think about having a civil and mature discussion about your supposed problems?"
yes, all through beta it did. even into retail it did. look in the suggestions forum, i made suggestions on the hangar system, even posted mock up screenshots. hopefully it had a part in the hangar system you are using today, because its almost identical. i hope it did.
for the most part though we all feel like we are banging our heads on the desk, and CCP does not learn from its mistakes and lack of foresight. over and over again we same the same bugs coming back, and the same attitude to bugs. to fix things they usually go the sledgehammer route and nerf everything.
Or, completely ignore the bugs and add eye candy or more menus that we had no use for.
look at the new factory system, once prints are loaded and running its great dont get me wrong. BUT why on earth do we need about 5 pages of this "wizard" when all the same details could be filled in on just one window?
why the need to load all your prints into the factory when you only want to use one?
no.. instead we get more menus, more eye candy. and more bugs. the same problems with the factory are there, not fixed. blueprint icons are even more messed up than they where. the blueprint list when loaded into factory is now not even in alphabetical order. icons in the list are not needed and only serve to clutter it up more too.
cargo cans. ok something was needed to be done about people spamming them, but they where bugged as it was. if you used someone else can usually it meant that other people couldnt use it or you yourself couldnt see what was really in it. you would see "ghost" items in the can that where really there, any indy pilot who has ferried for a mining team will tell you this and how frustrating it was. CCP have known about the problem now (or should have done if they actually listen to us) since beta.
do they fix it? no. instead they stop us making new containers so we can at least move the ore into a new can so indy pilots can take stuff out of it and work around the bug.
i could go on.. but im getting sick of explaining the obvious.
Edited by: Tristan on 04/07/2003 11:59:02
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Jean Francois
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Posted - 2003.07.04 11:51:00 -
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I and countless others im sure appreciate your efforts throughout beta, but the fact still remains that what you are doing now is counter-productive.
If you love the game so much then continue with your suggestions and comments, but what we dont want to see is tantrums.
So I say to you once more,
Will you continue "stamping your feet" then?
or
Will you continue to give suggestions and comments.
Its your choice, I just hope you choose the latter.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.07.04 11:58:00 -
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having more experiance of ccp than yourself, i know the only way to get them to listen is to cause a stink.
why do you think M0o killed so many noobs in high sec space?
Because they could. and to prove a point.
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Jean Francois
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:09:00 -
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I feel like im beating a dead horse now but please calm down for a moment a reread what you just posted, and compare this to Miso's post...
"You're in a mall. You see a kid crying and stamping his feet cos is parents wont buy him what he wants...he cries more and stamps his feet more..."
Do you see the likeness here?
No matter how miffed, annoyed, angry you are at the current situation, no amount of screaming, "protests", tantrums and the like will get you anywhere.
CCP is a start up company, they dont have unlimited resources to fix everything right away, they dont have hundreds and hundreds of staff at their disposal.
So just relax, take a deep breath and wait like the rest of the grown ups for any problems to be sorted in due course.
Yes I appreciate these problems should have been fixed in beta, but in the real world people need an income to feed their families and pay the bills, as a start up company their funds are not unlimited... so bare with it...
So I repeat, no amount of screaming, "protests", tantrums and the like will get you anywhere.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:12:00 -
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Great posts Jean Francois, myself and a lot of others totally agree with you :)
That's what we've been saying all the time, constructive posts, even negative ones are welcome, but not this kind of childish behavior is just silly.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:23:00 -
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but wrangler, what you know about the game i could fit in the eve manual.
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Macumba
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:25:00 -
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2 hit combo. Thats gotta hurt.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:25:00 -
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"CCP is a start up company, they dont have unlimited resources to fix everything right away, they dont have hundreds and hundreds of staff at their disposal."
games industry is brutal.
cant stand the heat? get out of it.
and FYI SSI arent short of a penny or two.
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ABNTanker
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:27:00 -
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Wait a second, you and the others are deleting negative posts left and right and then you have the nerve to say that you welcome them? Why? so you can delete more? I am confused please elaborate... |
Jean Francois
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:27:00 -
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Tristan, with posts like this do you wonder why you are constantly being moderated?
I feel sorry for you, I really do.. :(
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Macumba
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:28:00 -
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It's called double standards. Most corporate message boards do it, you're not allowed to rant or be offensive unless you're being positive.
I think that's how it works.
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SISQO
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:28:00 -
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Its only the cold hard truth.
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:29:00 -
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I personally like the nerf bat sig. Its like a big glowing beacon that says,"HEY! you can skip this part of the thread its not worth reading!". It saves me a lot of time : )
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Moph
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:29:00 -
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Jean Francois, is the man.
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Jean Francois
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:31:00 -
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Yay for me!
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:31:00 -
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Tristan: I don't understand all this *****ing. Cancel your subsciption and play something else. Why waste time on Eve if it sucks so much? Does it make u feel important to post crap on forum boards or something?
Your comments and behaviour are kind of perplexing. Are you some kind of masochist?
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Mattathias
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:34:00 -
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Tristan, it's not the cold, hard truth. Occasionally, you put up a post of details, but most of your posts are of the form "no, you are wrong and I am right!" with no additional information.
There's nothing wrong with pointing out flaws. But I suggest you stop responding to everybody's posts just because they tick you off. For example, there was no reason to respond to this thread - the author engaged in namecalling, that's all, and the devs would have sighed and moved on.
Make your argument. Maybe once a day to maintain attention, and otherwise let it rest.
Anyway, that's my suggestion.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:38:00 -
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Miso, no. obviously i give a crap about the game. unlike yourself.
as for being a masochist, id suggest thats yourself if you enjoy paying to play a bug ridden beta.
even techTV have posted a review saying exactly that. and we all know why sychophants they are. the link to the review was posted, and contrary to what Wrangler says above, it was locked and left to sink off the forums. like every other post thats critical in any way of the game, or its volunteer staff base.
there is no way to be critical, without being deleted or locked. ie, they dont want people complaining at all, in case potential victims, i mean customers, read the boards and see it.
what CCP fail to realise, is the best way to stop the complaining, is to fix the damn problems. And the best customers, are existing ones.
simple - basic - business - sense
Edited by: Tristan on 04/07/2003 12:40:05
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Keadra
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:39:00 -
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erm..isn't it about time we see a gag order put through. Or even better..a forum for the over 21's? The boards are getting full of whiners and flamers and in order to read summin interesting you have to sift through a board of pink bats...makes you wonder what runs through the head of some of these people... Honestly, new boards for sane people and just let these muppets argue amongst themselves. Forget free speech for a moment, some people just gotta be removed plain and simple. I name thee the Evil doers of board Fanatism. Or have i just made a faux pas
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:42:00 -
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"to read summin interesting you have to sift through a board of pink bats..."
the fact more and more people have them in their sig should tell you something.
the fact i pay 12.99 a month gives me the right to complain when i feel im not getting my moneys worth, same for everyone else who feels they are being fobbed off with bad code and volunteer staff at every turn.
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Keadra
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:50:00 -
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the fact more and more people have them in their sig should tell you something.
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Yes it does, it tells me they have neither the brains nor maturity to deal with any circumstances that they do not favour or decide as unfair. Yes you are entitled to criticise or put foward new points, but, if you had any experience in the REAL WORLD, you would realise the way you have been acting and reacting would simply get you laughed at, nobody would pay any attention to you and your views would be automatically discounted due to your lack of maturity.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:51:00 -
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Tristan: "as for being a masochist, id suggest thats yourself if you enjoy paying to play a bug ridden beta."
Well, unlike the whinging whelps on this board, i work around the bugs. I find ways of working around the problems I have in-game and in life. Yes, you pay a subscription and expect a good standard of gaming. BUT - you pay your money and you take your choice. Feel your not getting value for your money? THEN MOVE ON.
Its pretty simple.
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FlareZFX
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Posted - 2003.07.04 12:57:00 -
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"The boards are getting full of whiners and flamers and in order to read summin interesting you have to sift through a board of pink bats."
To me those bats just shows a childish attitude and a lack of skills in giving constructive, grown-up criticism. I'm sure those bats just **** off the dev team, and that's no good if you're trying to make the service any better.
People tend to respond the way they were initially approached, and annoying the mods with these butt-ugly pieces of computer graphics gone horribly wrong isn't at least my idea of a friendly approach :-)
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.07.04 13:18:00 -
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"Tristan, it's not the cold, hard truth. Occasionally, you put up a post of details, but most of your posts are of the form "no, you are wrong and I am right!" with no additional information."
it was sisqo who said it was the cold hard truth. not me. but then i agree with him. just because i state the simple facts and dont dress it up with sychophantic warblings doesent make it invalid.
what i also have noted is that most of the folks posting replies such as yours (but not all mind) seem to be in n00b corps and have 0.0 security status, i wouldnt be suprised if some of them where polaris alts, and probably some of the others are prats just trying to stir things up.
i also notice that to posts made by people like hippey, and jean, that polaris have been replying wiht "good poster, have a gold star for brown nosing" type posts. It seems that only if you make posts where you have blinkers on and pretend that the patches dont continue to add more and more bugs and problems to the game that you are just trolling, whining, or ranting.
sorry but i dont post
"OMFG! j00 teh SUX! OMG CCP! meh guns! what ya do meh gunz! ima cancel r33t now! STFU MOFO!"
type posts.
are you also suggesting that anyone who wears a pin, yellow ribbon badge, or whatever label on their sleves happens to be the cause this week is also imature? because that bat is just the digital equivilent of that same method of raising awareness to issues.
Edited by: Tristan on 04/07/2003 13:20:03
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Rogue Noir
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Posted - 2003.07.04 13:32:00 -
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Tristan, 2 things: first off, you dont use l33t speak but thats exactly what your posting comtent is these days, albeit in slightly more educated lingo, second, its not that more people are using the nerf bat, in fact so far the only people whe are using it are you and you silly Critical Crap followers and M0o(and that main guy), dosent really do much for the image you are trying to put forward when the biggest idiots in the game use your bat, alsowhen the other poster sai he had to wade through a sea of pink bats to find the good stuff I think he mean that the forum is full of usles non CONSTRUCTIVE posts by you and your little sheep *coughSisqo*cough*, I have posted a number of complaints about the game under other names on the old forums and they were never deleted once, because I kept my cool and spent my time thinking up a good post rather than creating an icon designed to **** of the developers of the game that you are playing.
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Jean Francois
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Posted - 2003.07.04 13:34:00 -
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;'(''
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.07.04 13:37:00 -
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Rogue, i might actually listen if you werent yet another 0.0 security char in the noob corp.
theres more than just CME and M0o using the sig, a few removed the sig because they got sick of posts being deleted, some of us are a bit more stubborn tho
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SISQO
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Posted - 2003.07.04 13:45:00 -
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Me sheep? WHY!!
Ok, go re-read most of my posts, my latest one being the container timers. I state only the cold hard facts. Why are the Devs ****ed? Because they did wrong, and we are posting about their faults on the forums, including the moderators.
Why am I so stubborn and insist on using my sig? Because the moderators were abusing their powers and deleting our posts, JUST because they have something against Richard Simmons. Its not my fault he did something naughty to you fellas. Hell one of the mods even admitted, "although the comments you posted are legitimate, and benificial to the post above, your sig is breaking the rules." Something along those lines, I don't have time to go back and search for it word for word. What rule is it truly breaking? Where does it say on forums rules, you may not have Richard Simmons in your post? Only happy people react that strongly to happy Simmon. Anyway...
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Viconia Gallows
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Posted - 2003.07.04 13:48:00 -
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Look Jean, I'm sure you mean well, but so far all you're doing is coming off sounding trite and mildly irritating.
Until you or the other CCP forum cheerleaders gain some administrative powers, you have NO right to come down on people for their signature file. Likewise, you have NO right to tell them to stop using whatever slogans they like, no matter how asinine calling someone a ęcare bearĘ they might be.
If they had done anything unacceptable, then you can be sure the admin would make it very, very clear that it is to stop. Period.
I've also decided to adopt their signature bat this very night, because CCP -DOES- need to get the message that these slash and burn game tweaks are NOT acceptable. There are people who work very hard, investing real hours of their free time making enough isk to get something rare and powerful and I don't see any reason why it should be them who pay the price because the game was kicked out the door into retail three months early.
Doing so is no different, if on a vastly smaller scale, to a school coming along three years after you complete high school and telling you "Sorry, but the tests you took weren't hard enough, we have to take away your grade twelve, but you can keep grade ten and invest another two years getting your grade twelve again."
It is unfair for them and I find it insulting you would come along with your CCP pom-poms and start telling them THEY are wrong for wanting to get a point across - a point no more bold then an AIDs ribbon - a point that wouldn't need to be made in such a glaring manner had CCP shown the paying players the slightest regard when it comes to what we feel is needed in the game.
No one is asking for death rays and god-like powers, all people seem to be asking for is for things not to go from good to junk right out of the blue. Small changes and balance is good, people having to worry about their ships load out will go from hero to zero in the span of an update is bad.
While IĘm posting I want to state that, frankly, IĘm a little disgusted that so many of you come out of the woodwork to **** and moan like angst-ridden kittens every time someone attempts to vent a negative vibe on this message board. You insist on tagging them immature, never failing to define a poorly written post as a waste and at the same time you fail to see that there may be an underlying point that is, in many cases, perfectly legitimate, if not entirely pleasant. Not only do most you do it in pack fashion like true social cowards, you then have Polaris jumping in to give you a nice pat on the back for putting people down just because they arenĘt completely pleased with a the game they (or in some cases their parents) PAID for. Then you come down on them AGAIN when they react in a defensive manner because everyone and their angry cat is coming down on them for letting of steam or expressing, in their way, their displeasure with something.
Constructive posts are welcome, even negative ones? What a farce! You seem to hold some narrow views of what is and is not constructive, Wrangler, as Ięve seen more then enough legitimate threads shut down for no apparent reason other then perhaps the gaggle of cowards who come to pick on every upset player didnęt do a sufficient job in running the poster into the dirt. Even the most typo-ridden piece of kiddy ę1337Ę speak or anger-spurred rant can have a useful idea or message, it just becomes buried under a mountain of posts from people who think they do us a service by picking on them for poor typing, communication skills or language barriers.
What a bunch of heroĘs you all! Polaris, give the mob and its current crier, Jean, a round of applause!
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Posted - 2003.07.04 13:57:00 -
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I think this patch fixed load of bugs and made the game allot better no super weapons anymore much better balanced and allot more loot finely I will have some fun in hunting npc pirates because they where just totaly boring and now they are just so much better and yeah I think that bat is just so stupid.
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SISQO
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Posted - 2003.07.04 14:04:00 -
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Take a look people, the post is magically locked, without reason. Or maybe the fact that to much truth was being exposed?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=16490&page=3
Great use of power, delete all posts you don't like, and praise posts that kiss CCP ass. Can we get some real professional moderators please, these volunteer kids aren't exactly helping.
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.07.04 14:05:00 -
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"Because the moderators were abusing their powers and deleting our posts, JUST because they have something against Richard Simmons"
OMG.. well I just got a new entry for #4 (the fourth stupidest thing I have ever heard, congradulation you just kicked a guy pointing to a sign and asking "Mam, whats this no smoking sign mean?" to #5)
You people are the reasion there is 2 lables on a cup of coffie "Contents are hot" and "This side up"
Edited by: Athren Soulsteal on 04/07/2003 14:08:28
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Jean Francois
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Posted - 2003.07.04 14:08:00 -
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Viconia Gallows
> "Until you or the other CCP forum cheerleaders gain some administrative powers, you have NO right to come down on people for their signature file. Likewise, you have NO right to tell them to stop using whatever slogans they like, no matter how asinine calling someone a ęcare bearĘ they might be."
People who have a differing opinion dont deserve to have their say? I didnt tell them to do anything, I asked them to, there is a difference and whether you like it or not, it would be better for the boards if they did.
> "a point no more bold then an AIDs ribbon"
I find this totally offensive you would compare an image designed to irritate and annoy the game developers, to a worthy cause such as the AIDs ribbon. Shame on you.
> "IĘm a little disgusted that so many of you come out of the woodwork to **** and moan like angst-ridden kittens every time someone attempts to vent a negative vibe on this message board"
It is a shame that the 95% of the players who enjoy the game dont post here too, to dilute the constant childish practise some of the posters seem to use. Alas they are actually playing the game instead...
"Rome wasnt built in a day"
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Trebonius
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Posted - 2003.07.04 14:10:00 -
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Excellent post Viconia. I don't consider them to be cheerleaders though, but people suffering from stockholm syndrome.
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SISQO
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Posted - 2003.07.04 14:11:00 -
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Well your pretty stupid yourself for having such a list. - to Athren Soulsteal
Was it really a valid reason to delete our posts just because of a picture, that contained no ****, no swatikas, no racist remarks, or profanity of any sorts. Event though they admitted our content was legitimated and beneficial towards the post??.. Just delete it because you don't like it, way to go. And when confronted and asked what rule we broke they didn't reply but instead, deleted our post and locked the thread. Just like this one is locked.
And yes excellent post Viconia
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