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david1090879
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Posted - 2005.03.26 14:02:00 -
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Last night due to the crashing and network problems, my raven was killed in a lev 4 deadspace mission. When I logged in I was in a pod.
Petitened this as everyone suggested. I now have only have my fittings. As they can only replace destoryed items.
This is totally unfair. why should I loose my stuff and weeks worth of effort down to network problems? I went back to try and grab the can , it was gone. even if it was there I would never had chance to grab it due to the crashing every 2 mins.
Now I am down 500 mill to stooooppid crashing.
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Liquid Metal
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Posted - 2005.03.26 14:21:00 -
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I also lost my ship last night, a vengeance, also in a deadspace, although a level 3, from yes, a crash.
However CCP will not reimburse my ship. Its not a great policy.
"A strong man stands tall against all others, everything else is just a delusion for the weak.."
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.03.26 14:27:00 -
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So, CCP reimburses your raven and you're still not happy?
Their 'replacement policy' is the best I've seen in any game, and you should be thankfull for them giving you a ship back.
In any other game I've played (and that's a lot) I'd never recovered any loss to any cause, be it lag, server crash or connectivity issues.
This is an online game, mind you, and those things happen.
As a rule of thumb: never fly something you can't replace.
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Liquid Metal
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Posted - 2005.03.26 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Liquid Metal on 26/03/2005 14:47:28
well, they didnt return my ship, i can replace it, but its the principal, i lost the ship through no fault of my own. I should get it back.
The modules i dont really care about
"A strong man stands tall against all others, everything else is just a delusion for the weak.."
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.03.26 15:16:00 -
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You know, it might be just me, but isn't it common sense to not take risks when the server is unstable?
I know you pay and stuff, but can't you just skip a few missions and spare everyone including yourself the effort?
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.03.26 15:23:00 -
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Solutions:
1) Don't use mods that expensive.
2) Don't do dangerous tasks while the server is unstable.
Now, next up...
Not reimbursing what was destroyed - GOOD thing. I mean, its unlikely someone found your can I agree, but in most circumstances this would cause duplicates of items all over the game, fking over the economy even more than it is fked now.
As for their overall reimbursement policy, they are too relaxed if anything. The nature of this game means that having false petitions reimbursed, or duplicates entering the game and such could cause a lot of damage to the game.
To be blunt, you died because of your own stupidity, and when you did you lost that much worth in mods because of the same stupidity. There is a reason most people don't risk ships when there are server problems...
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Liquid Metal
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Posted - 2005.03.26 15:40:00 -
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so you answer is to not venture outside the station while theres server problems? a bit of a lame one tbh. Im miffed, cos i lost a ship that was nothing to do with my doing, and it was a mission, nothing particularly risky.
The only reason i cant get my ship back is because they have no proof of my crash, because, low and behold, they were having network problems.
Which should lead you to think, hey he did lose it cos the server crashed...
BUT now since it was refused, im up s**t creek without a paddle :) I didnt expect to have it denied when it was a blatant loss from server problems. I got my last ship back months ago from server problems, i didnt expect for this one to be denied. its not a good thing, when you lose your ship to something other than game mechanics.
"A strong man stands tall against all others, everything else is just a delusion for the weak.."
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Xune
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Posted - 2005.03.26 15:44:00 -
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*shisp lost true bug¦s 40, ships replaced 2*
ships lost true geting killed the normal way... hm around 20 ? since i started ?
yes... the Isp suck... no doubt about it.. and hey BANN ME i dont care... i dont get any help anyway ? so why should i care if i can write here or not `?
*slowly thing its a kind of funny, in a realy odd way*
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2005.03.26 15:45:00 -
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 Originally by: david1090879
Last night due to the crashing and network problems, my raven was killed in a lev 4 deadspace mission. When I logged in I was in a pod.
Petitened this as everyone suggested. I now have only have my fittings. As they can only replace destoryed items.
This is totally unfair. why should I loose my stuff and weeks worth of effort down to network problems? I went back to try and grab the can , it was gone. even if it was there I would never had chance to grab it due to the crashing every 2 mins.
Now I am down 500 mill to stooooppid crashing.
waaaaa, I had my ship replaced and was satisfied with the half gear...geeez, the pilot that killed the ship can't just lose out on their effort to play the game, and they can't create extra gear in the game so BOTH parties have it...
stop thinking of only yourself, think of the BIG picture of the game
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LORD Earkle
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Posted - 2005.03.26 15:46:00 -
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A lot of people are repeating the same chant on every thread: "Dont take risks when the servers are having problems!"
Well, today AFAIK there hasnt been any server downs until now. I wonder how exactly we're supposed to know when its okay to take risks without fear of a server crash taking all your stuff.
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Umbandar
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Posted - 2005.03.26 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Viceroy
You know, it might be just me, but isn't it common sense to not take risks when the server is unstable?
I know you pay and stuff, but can't you just skip a few missions and spare everyone including yourself the effort?
what a completely idiotic response
when is the server stable?
seemed to be fine this morning
now it is not - and of course i'm in the middle of a fight in the middle of a mission
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PanzerGrenadier
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Posted - 2005.03.26 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver
Solutions:
1) Don't use mods that expensive.
2) Don't do dangerous tasks while the server is unstable.
Now, next up...
Not reimbursing what was destroyed - GOOD thing. I mean, its unlikely someone found your can I agree, but in most circumstances this would cause duplicates of items all over the game, fking over the economy even more than it is fked now.
As for their overall reimbursement policy, they are too relaxed if anything. The nature of this game means that having false petitions reimbursed, or duplicates entering the game and such could cause a lot of damage to the game.
To be blunt, you died because of your own stupidity, and when you did you lost that much worth in mods because of the same stupidity. There is a reason most people don't risk ships when there are server problems...
1. Your analogy is the same as "Well, if I put money in the bank, and the bank gets robbed, then I shouldn't get my money back.
2. Next time you find a magic "I win" button that tells me when the server is stable, please let the rest of us know. Looked like it was working fine this morning.
Like I previously said, there should be no reason why a person would not get reimbursed for something they lost DUE TO SERVER ERROR! Saying that it is the players fault for playing a game (that they pay for mind you) that in all honesty should be stable is just illogical fallacy. I don't really give a damn about the economy, he already put his money into the economy. You also mentioned that this would put extra items in the economy, let me know next time you find a way to log on to the down server and retreve your mods.
As for the recent downtime, please stop *****ing. This is NOTHING, just go play any other MMORPG. Eve has had the lowest total downtime of any other MMORPG i've played. As long as the server isn't down for, say a week, I'm perfectly happy.
Sorry, my point was not to flame but merely point out a different point of view to the problem.
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david1090879
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Posted - 2005.03.26 16:11:00 -
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Its one thing to loose the ship to my fault.
> Me making a mistake, getting webbed warp scramed, etc. or not setting modules on autotreapeat.
Those of you that say about whining about this and saying its part of the game, have probably never had this happy.
just wait till the server eats all youre dread gurista mods.
Thankfully in the end and re-petition, it was replaced.
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ThorTheGreat
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Posted - 2005.03.26 16:20:00 -
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panzergrenadier ftw!!
but on a more serious note, you should get all your gear AND your ship replaced if it was due to the server crashing, all my corp m8's did that had their ships/gear destroyed, why should it be different for you?
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2005.03.26 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver
Solutions:
1) Don't use mods that expensive.
2) Don't do dangerous tasks while the server is unstable.
And how do you tell the server is unstable until the effects become noticeable (i.e. crash)? Just now the server crashed again and I'm sure many people will have lost their ships again. They could not have seen it coming.
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Galeo
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Posted - 2005.03.26 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver
Solutions:
1) Don't use mods that expensive.
2) Don't do dangerous tasks while the server is unstable.
Now, next up...
Not reimbursing what was destroyed - GOOD thing. I mean, its unlikely someone found your can I agree, but in most circumstances this would cause duplicates of items all over the game, fking over the economy even more than it is fked now.
As for their overall reimbursement policy, they are too relaxed if anything. The nature of this game means that having false petitions reimbursed, or duplicates entering the game and such could cause a lot of damage to the game.
To be blunt, you died because of your own stupidity, and when you did you lost that much worth in mods because of the same stupidity. There is a reason most people don't risk ships when there are server problems...
These people probably lost their ships on the first server down. They got f'ed by circumstance, and now you are calling them stupid to boot! So they are to assume that every weekend the server is unstable, I can't wait for you to lose a ship to a server down.
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Sokudo
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Posted - 2005.03.26 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: LORD Earkle
A lot of people are repeating the same chant on every thread: "Dont take risks when the servers are having problems!"
Well, today AFAIK there hasnt been any server downs until now. I wonder how exactly we're supposed to know when its okay to take risks without fear of a server crash taking all your stuff.
Well, to be honest, losing a ship to the first or second crash in a row is just unfortunate - crashes all too often happen and usually only happen once and then everything is ok... what I'm saying is that after the 2nd crash, people need to stop and think and then either wait for the server to be stable for an hour or so, or go try something else.
Nobody's saying that you shouldn't do missions the morning after the crashes... but people ARE saying that you should be more careful when there are reported server/network problems... and some people are complaining because they went out after the 3rd crash, which is downright foolish in my humble opinion.
Each of us has a responsibility to not rely on the goodwill of the GM's, just as CCP has to try to keep the game up and running (which, despite the moans, they were trying to do). Of course, sometimes something happens and we'll be in the wrong place at the wrong time, or will take a mission that is bugged or whatever - the GM's are there as a safety net, not as a crutch... 
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.03.26 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Umbandar
Originally by: Viceroy
You know, it might be just me, but isn't it common sense to not take risks when the server is unstable?
I know you pay and stuff, but can't you just skip a few missions and spare everyone including yourself the effort?
what a completely idiotic response
when is the server stable?
seemed to be fine this morning
now it is not - and of course i'm in the middle of a fight in the middle of a mission
Hi, if you start lagging like hell while undocking, if your modules don't activate, if you crash twice in 3 minutes, its time to turn down that mission offer. Symptoms like big fat warnings ingame and server resets are pretty informative too.
Also Tiger, if you want to impress the girls by calling people idiotic over trivial issues, doing it with an ALT is quite counter-productive.
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Liquid Metal
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Posted - 2005.03.26 17:25:00 -
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Tbf when i crashed out last night, there was no lag or anything, it just crashed with no warning.
"A strong man stands tall against all others, everything else is just a delusion for the weak.."
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Judas Jones
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Posted - 2005.03.26 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Viceroy
Originally by: Umbandar
Originally by: Viceroy
You know, it might be just me, but isn't it common sense to not take risks when the server is unstable?
I know you pay and stuff, but can't you just skip a few missions and spare everyone including yourself the effort?
what a completely idiotic response
when is the server stable?
seemed to be fine this morning
now it is not - and of course i'm in the middle of a fight in the middle of a mission
Hi, if you start lagging like hell while undocking, if your modules don't activate, if you crash twice in 3 minutes, its time to turn down that mission offer. Symptoms like big fat warnings ingame and server resets are pretty informative too.
Also Tiger, if you want to impress the girls by calling people idiotic over trivial issues, doing it with an ALT is quite counter-productive.
 It pains me to say it but Viceroy has a valid point, on most occassion's when the server is about to throw a paddy it gives of certain signal's, usually for me it's the icon's on the left that stop working. Or a jump that seperates you from your ship as it actually jumps but you don't, also modules play up, you get certain hiccups like excessive lag in quiet system's or yo crash every 2 mins. For me tho the biggest hint of all that the servers are not stable was the 50 odd page in General Discussion.
LM should get his Assualt Ship reimbursed tho, imo. 
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Xenu
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Posted - 2005.03.26 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: david1090879
Last night due to the crashing and network problems, my raven was killed in a lev 4 deadspace mission. When I logged in I was in a pod.
Petitened this as everyone suggested. I now have only have my fittings. As they can only replace destoryed items.
This is totally unfair. why should I loose my stuff and weeks worth of effort down to network problems? I went back to try and grab the can , it was gone. even if it was there I would never had chance to grab it due to the crashing every 2 mins.
Now I am down 500 mill to stooooppid crashing.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.03.26 18:11:00 -
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They only reimburse what you lose because it's a simple act in most cases to get what wasn't destroyed. In this case, when you saw you were in a pod, you should have warped to the mission spot again, made a bookmark on your can of stuff, cancelled the mission at the station and then warped back again. That way the entire mission complex and all enemies would have vanished and you could retrieve your stuff again.
And you still maybe can. I've had a loot can from my destruction last for a week before.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.26 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Xenu
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.03.26 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 26/03/2005 19:33:30
Originally by: Viceroy
You know, it might be just me, but isn't it common sense to not take risks when the server is unstable?
You're assuming it didn't happen in the first crash there, Viceroy. I lost a ship to NPC's too, a scout Merlin, in the very first crash. Could of been a LOT more painful...
The crash had lag for about 5 seconds, then the server went.
(and no, 150k of ship dosn't bother me, not worth writing a petition even. It's your assumption which annoys me)
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2005.03.26 23:03:00 -
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Check the forums, a disruption in communications here can only mean one thing... server crash imminent.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.03.26 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: david1090879
This is totally unfair. why should I loose my stuff and weeks worth of effort down to network problems? I went back to try and grab the can , it was gone. even if it was there I would never had chance to grab it due to the crashing every 2 mins.
Now I am down 500 mill to stooooppid crashing.
Be thankfull they replaced your raven at all and didnt give you the 'Our logs show nothing, sorry youll have to go without' story.
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.03.27 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Check the forums, a disruption in communications here can only mean one thing... server crash imminent.
Thanks for that. Every time I'm about to engage the enemy I'll come and check the forums
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2005.03.27 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: MutationZ
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Check the forums, a disruption in communications here can only mean one thing... server crash imminent.
Thanks for that. Every time I'm about to engage the enemy I'll come and check the forums
That sounds spot on for most of the EVE community
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H0ot
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Posted - 2005.03.27 01:53:00 -
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Umbandar
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Posted - 2005.03.27 02:00:00 -
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what a completely idiotic response
Also Tiger, if you want to impress the girls by calling people idiotic over trivial issues, doing it with an ALT is quite counter-productive.
i guess it "does" fit now
initially it was just for your post
not an alt either - started with this character before changing races - have not found a way to change the character that i post with (not that i have spent much effort on it)
the only thing i have found seems to cost a little extra cash - no thanks
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Roy Focker
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Posted - 2005.03.27 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Umbandar
what a completely idiotic response
Also Tiger, if you want to impress the girls by calling people idiotic over trivial issues, doing it with an ALT is quite counter-productive.
i guess it "does" fit now
initially it was just for your post
not an alt either - started with this character before changing races - have not found a way to change the character that i post with (not that i have spent much effort on it)
the only thing i have found seems to cost a little extra cash - no thanks
Go under forum settings.
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Deano
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Posted - 2005.03.27 02:29:00 -
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doesnt it all boil down to:
cant afford to lose it, dont fly it
if u can afford to lose it, wheres the problem?
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.03.27 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Deano
doesnt it all boil down to:
cant afford to lose it, dont fly it
if u can afford to lose it, wheres the problem?
I can afford to lose a lot of things. Does not mean I want to.
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Akadios
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Posted - 2005.03.27 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: Akadios on 27/03/2005 06:42:03
Honestly I just to throw this out there I think its really pathetic that other players would come on and give someone who lost 500million worth of stuff to a server crash a load of BS about how its their own fault, how the reimbursement policy is great(obviously for those that believe this they have never played SOE games where if you delete your character you can get it back 6months later by petitioning for it), and/or how everyone has had this happen so just deal. If you are one of the people that come on a thread like this and say those type of things you are lame, try thinking about someone besides yourself for once. Disagreeing with anything anyone ever says on a forum doesn't make you cool . I say that because I watch who writes what and I notice that 90% of the people that post negative disagreements in one thread simply move on to post a negative disagreement in another. So I say again get a life.
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Eviljohn
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Posted - 2005.03.27 15:15:00 -
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With how easy these level 4 missions are u should just use basic equipment on your raven then when u get lagged and blasted its no great loss
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.03.27 15:19:00 -
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Keep it friendly please
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Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2005.03.27 15:21:00 -
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If u cant afford to lose it dont fly it.
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PanzerGrenadier
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Posted - 2005.03.27 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sir JoJo
If u cant afford to lose it dont fly it.
Read my post on page one, I don't feel like reiterating myself.
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Kryzaan
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Posted - 2005.03.27 15:57:00 -
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Firstly let me say this. I am relatively new to playing EvE but one thing that has already amazed me is the levels at which some people stoop to, just to flame someone on a forum.
I cannot believe that people are actually posting stuff like "if you can't afford to loose it, don't fly it..." in relation to an unfortunate incident involving the server issues.
Other people are saying its the OP's fault for doing missions on the 3rd server crash... Who's to say he knew it was the 3rd crash.
Although i am glad to see enough people have already posted indicating the short sightedness of some of these comments.
The bottom line is server crashes or network outages can occur at any time and for a multitude of reasons and loosing a ship and its fittings for those reasons is really bad luck and i honestly hope CCP would reimburse the OP.
And to those who seem intent on pointlessly flaming people, please try and do something a little more constructive or beneficial to the community who play this game. Comments that infer either the OP or any other people who lost ships to the server/network problems are stupid are frankly just pointless and only show (a) a lack of any consideration for others playing this game or reading this forum and (b) show more about the stupidity of the flamer than the person being called stupid.
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Nikolai Tupolev
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Posted - 2005.03.27 15:58:00 -
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i lost a crow to the crashes, my corpmate was shooting at me and the burps caused her weapons to fail to deactive, i petitioned it and my little crow was returned in less than 12 hours. 
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