No the scouts dropping combat probes to see if there are any targets in system.

remove local. Tired of alliances with eyes in every system and them docking up as soon as we approach

Removing Local doesn't create more targets, it jsut changes how you kill the current targets. More targets would be more people going to null, now do you have a decent argument for why sans local in null = more people coming to null?

Actually I think human brain is far superior in analyzing the situation and adjusting reactions in that situation, as the reaction time advantage becomes meaningless when you are bumped out of aligned and pointed. Both will probably die

lawl at all these internet white knights of local. So protective of your crutch.

So you couldn't have players in every system running D-scans in covert op frigs?

In conclusion, people not going into nullsec has nothing to do with game mechanics. It's this elitist crap that gets spewed all over everyone and the politics. Poly-Tics = Multiple blood suckers.
Not having local would not break nullsec, it would break all the so called "elitist".

Mistake 1:We let brand new unskilled players into fleets with no experience whatsoever.
Mistake 2:Goons give them free Rifters.
Mistake 3:My alliance replaces their Rifters for free.
Nobody, especially new players, learns the concept of "loss" when everything is givin' and replaced for free.

qoute=Drath It's too bad that the harsh realities of internet gamesmanship turn you off to null. It seemed for a moment there like you were catching on to the idea behind it.

No, I'm just not lazy and can see through very wordy crap

quote=Darth The maps are complex. Not everybody has the mind for the geometry of solving puzzles like "where are these guys going?"

And again, this is where proper training comes in handy. Maybe, if you only took in already trained individuals? Humm... Just a thought.

quote=Darth Local drives conflict in null-sec. Taking it away would be a nerf to anybody involved in producing the ships we destroy.

Local makes it easy for so called "elitist". On the other note, If you weren't giving ships away for free then you wouldn't need anyone involved in all those wasted resources.

quote=Darth Further, it would not work the same as wormholes because we have static gates, static belts, static stations. It's a totally different envoronment. You can't just say we're copping out without having been there and tried it out. Sorry, that just doesn't fly

You just explained everything to me and I completely understand it. I also read the guide that Remiel linked. I don't need to go there. Basically, it operates a little like lowsec. You have the basics but you can have bigger ships, no concord whatsoever, Aliiance have complete control over whole regions, cyno-jumps to points that have to be setup first and so on. There is a lot of stuff I have learned about nullsec and too much to all put here. Your right in one thing though. I completely disagree with your theories and philosohies about nullsec.

Our newbies are the best newbies.

Wow.... this is my point. You automatically assume since I am only 3 months old, I have not seen a bubble trap before. I have set them up as well. What is really cool and tricky is getting them so they can decloak cloakys. Ah the joys of being informed and trained how to play the game properly.

"Conflict is enabled by local, no local forces everyone to hisec, therefore all conflict is in highsec."

Anything can be taken out of context when only half of it is quoted. It's actually sarcasm. Tongue in cheek. A play on words. The first two parts have been spoken by Darth and ohhh whats his face? Some one from earlier today. The conflict is actually referring to the nerd rage and temper tantrums that will ensue. There would also be more conflict on the market as well.
I am sure this will be butchered, misquoted, and taken completely out of contexts as well. That is what ignorant people do when they feel they could possibly be wrong. Like small children. Either way, I'm out guys. Good luck arguing amongst yourselves, playing children's card games or whatever you goons do during your free time.

Alright, I will stop with playing this back and forth games then If you can honestly refute in a logical and reasonable way that makes sense what I am about to point out is flawed with local.

1. You can not tell exactly in system where someone is cloaked or not unless you are on top of them when they jump through a gate.
2. Even when they are in system, you can still not pinpoint there locale with local and you need d-scans or have bubble traps on everything in system.
3. Let's say they are in your region and the FC has been trying to track based off local. Intel shows they are going one way but then the intel becomes screwy and they start jumping trough all sorts of systems. What then? You don't have anybody watching on gates.

Based on everything you told me earlier, local is useless and I can get the same information from d-scans with an added risk on a cloaky sneaking up on me enabling conflict.

I've always suggested it could be exclusively a chat system - that is, you only show up in local chat if you start chatting. If chat gets nerfed in nul, then it should get nerfed in low and hi as well, but for people that still want the social element, or use chat to do business, it is still available as a chat platform, but as soon as you "announce yourself to the system", you will appear in local.

No, I'm not the one making the argument that it would drive people to nul. The keyword I phrased here was "suggested", as in "what would happen if...". IMHO, I don't care about local - keep it, nerf it, whatever happens I'll adapt to it.

The chat solution that Remiel suggested is exactly what is used in W-space. As far as looking for a game mechanic that will "bring players back to null", you will not find one. The issue is not with the game or the mechanics of that region. It is that kind of people that play in nullsec. This is from old school nullsecer vets and a few others after 2009 that dropped out of nullsec.

I have also read from other nullsecers here in this very thread state that it was boring in your controlled regions and not much action goes on. Well you own the entire region. No one wants to go through there because there is no reason to except troll miners and ratters and probably die since there isn't any real money in that anyways according to other nullsecers posting in this very same thread. You want to enable conflict, pack up and move on the other side of the star map and lay claim to someone else's region. I know this sounds like a completely crazy and radical idea but hey, you would get a lot more conflict. And, it's guaranteed conflict.

If you want to shoot that idea down, then just ask yourself if you can come up with something better.

I thought we had gotten rid of u and your baseless assumptions, go find 100% proof that everyone will leave and not just the weak will nullbears

so why do wormholes have approximately 1/4 the population of nullsec but 1/20th the PvP losses?

what?

I see the establishment is still defending their free intel tool.

Sad too. Once upon a time people outside of highsec wanted features that would bring more PVP. Now they want easy mode like high sec.

You're dumb. Dude from Goon was funnier, he got it
Why U so mad brah

The name of the expansion that removes local from null will be called "Learn how to hunt your prey you lazy stupid nullbears - your mommy local is not here to protect you"


or something like that.

High sec Concorde is your Local in 0.0. You can't shut Jita down with Concorde (thank's for the salvage though), the so-called
"pubbies" (would you make them wear a symbol on their sleeve?) won't get to VFK with the power of local.