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Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 264	Posted - 2012.10.22 17:01:00 - [1] - Quote To implement this earlier is biggest fuckup CCP can make in FW ever
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 264	Posted - 2012.10.22 18:14:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Phantom wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: To implement this earlier is biggest fuckup CCP can make in FW ever If that is the case, then it would be great to hear why it is so in your opinion. Just saying that you think something would be bad doesn't help our developers to figure out eventual issues. I do not see any reason why new fw will work at all. There is no reason to attack plex at all. - If you think that people will take any plex on tier 1 if enemy side has example tier3 , why would they ? - LP is practically worthless after this update because you can not really compete with all those stockpiled tier5 items. - Defending is so much easier, you can still use 1 day alts for defending. finally i doubt there is not even contested systems to defend. There is not driving force for whole militia like tier 5 bonused shop is now. so people go back to missioning and FW system warfare is over. You are nerfing FW too hard because you 1st boosted it too much. And why to implement it on 1 day warning when it has been 6 month broken, now all systems will be on some side and no one can implement their plans. Maybe Hans want to make sure that minmatar will not be on trouble.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 265	Posted - 2012.10.22 20:14:00 - [3] - Quote Jaime Gomes wrote: MAGICAL!!! SIMPLY MAGICAL! 24 hours notice. Espetacular! Especially for a paying customer. Thanks for the apretiation of being treated like dirt for the 24 hours notice. THe consideration for the players was imense. Trully unbefuking leavable. "oh those evil afk plexers!". Like afk plexers will end with this. like plexing will end with this. Thanks for locking up lp's of thousands of characters. this will fail either way . people will completely abandom amarr for good. and caldari will go the same way. just gallente and minmatar from now on. And the only flippings will be done by swutching for a few days and rejoin the other militia. Even alts can do that. Your work will resume to 0. only less billionaires in the game. now they will just be millionaires. RIP caldari militia. If we dont flip systems tonight. no point to flip, just put alt to gallente and defend tomorrow, easy lp with 1 day alts
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 265	Posted - 2012.10.22 20:22:00 - [4] - Quote Ty Delaney wrote: X Gallentius wrote: Farmers will move to defensive plexing. They're only going to get paid worth a damn for d-plexing when doing so in heavily-contested systems, which means (thanks to needing to kill the rats) they'll be plexing in systems with lots of armed enemies right there. I wish them luck. you really think that some one will still attack plex?
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 265	Posted - 2012.10.22 20:58:00 - [5] - Quote ScarredEye wrote: Damar gonna rage. We gonna thank him for it. I think earlier changes to FW were good(I was involved in them, and I am now a part of them). And I think these changes are wonderful. That is because this patch will effectively nerf the afk alt LP farming, and make plexing more of a combat instance. It will also redefine what people use for plexing. What is more, it turns defensive plexing from completely lacking rewards to rewarding within reason, to contain LP farming on that side, while still making it "more worth the effort" for those who are actually trying to decontest a system. A part of the great number of pve characters joining the caldari militia which characterize a very large part of it for it's incompetence in pvp, join for the reason that missioning and plexing is so easy and rewarding. With these changes, it is possible the scales will be tending to a better balance, even though missioning will remain easier on the caldari side. faction warfare is not about farming. tell me one reason why Damar would rage?
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 265	Posted - 2012.10.22 21:24:00 - [6] - Quote marketjacker wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: ScarredEye wrote: Damar gonna rage. We gonna thank him for it. blah blah stuff about plexing faction warfare is not about farming. tell me one reason why Damar would rage? you are one of the few people that's deranged enough to understand him, take a look at your own raging posts in here, lacking logic and reason. Then imagine Damar. I am not really raging anything just saying that less than day is not fair for all militias, but as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 265	Posted - 2012.10.22 21:45:00 - [7] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: I am not really raging anything just saying ... as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block. You're right, conspiracy theories aren't always full of rage. But if they go un-medicated, they will develop into rage. guess who is trying to make tier 5 lp dump today
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 265	Posted - 2012.10.23 00:59:00 - [8] - Quote Alticus C Bear wrote: Regarding the future changes GÇóWe will be attempting to release two new features to the FW complexes that have been suggested many times by the FW community to increase PVP opportunities in complexes: GÇóHave plex capture timers count backwards to the default state when no players are contesting them GÇóHave plex capture timers visible to everyone in system so you can easily tell which plexes are close to being captured. The first is a great change. The second is not. It immediately gives away the position pilots in a system, not just that he/she is running the plex but that they are on the button and away from the warp in or if the timer is not running then they are probably at the warp in. In a system with a pirate and a war target, sitting on the entrance and ship on scan but timer not running then probably the pirate or they are at the warp in. It is too much intel and I am not even sure what the gain is? I expect to warp around and D-scan the plexes and assess local threats that is part of the hunt, if this is introduced then you will always know where to go. last one is good for those who want to steal easy lp. So you can use still 1 day alts with empty frigate to steal it.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 267	Posted - 2012.10.23 09:42:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Quick clarification: With the patch tomorrow we will be reducing the over-vulnerability of many systems so that they cannot be defensively farmed for extensive periods of time after the deployment, and that with concerted effort each side can influence the vulnerability of systems in their warzone without being forced to use alts in the opposing side. Merritoff wrote: CCP is working via a variety of methods to bring the price of PLEX down, and FW has been identified as an area that can help the process along. Can you elaborate on this comment in the blog? I am sure I am not only one with a ... limited period of vested interest. The only method I'll be discussing at this time if FW changes, but rest assured that the price of PLEX is something that the Eve Central Bank is keeping a close eye on. You really are stupid, no one is going to defend systems for isk because LP is pretty much worthless, but you really favor minmatar and gallente on this change by making sure that they manage to defend several systems from vulnerable to contested. Maximize the fuckup ! Well done, CCP should really kick some devs who 1st made horrible isk farm and then they fix it by favoring some sides that happend to be represented by current CSM members.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 267	Posted - 2012.10.23 11:25:00 - [10] - Quote Andski wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: You really are stupid, no one is going to defend systems for isk because LP is pretty much worthless, but you really favor minmatar and gallente on this change by making sure that they manage to defend several systems from vulnerable to contested. Maximize the fuckup ! Well done, CCP should really kick some devs who 1st made horrible isk farm and then they fix it by favoring some sides that happend to be represented by current CSM members. It's better for them to take the hatchet to the massive LP faucet and then address any imbalances in future iterations than to delay fixing the massive LP faucet because of imbalances that a fix is likely to create. ~hth~ i am sure you can fix lp faucet without ******* up possibility to adapt
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 269	Posted - 2012.10.23 12:01:00 - [11] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Quick clarification: With the patch tomorrow we will be reducing the over-vulnerability of many systems so that they cannot be defensively farmed for extensive periods of time after the deployment, and that with concerted effort each side can influence the vulnerability of systems in their warzone without being forced to use alts in the opposing side. Merritoff wrote: CCP is working via a variety of methods to bring the price of PLEX down, and FW has been identified as an area that can help the process along. Can you elaborate on this comment in the blog? I am sure I am not only one with a ... limited period of vested interest. The only method I'll be discussing at this time if FW changes, but rest assured that the price of PLEX is something that the Eve Central Bank is keeping a close eye on. You really are stupid, no one is going to defend systems for isk because LP is pretty much worthless, but you really favor minmatar and gallente on this change by making sure that they manage to defend several systems from vulnerable to contested. Maximize the fuckup ! Well done, CCP should really kick some devs who 1st made horrible isk farm and then they fix it by favoring some sides that happend to be represented by current CSM members. Pro Posting tip for the day: Be just like this guy! 1. Calling CCP devs stupid - always gets good results. 2. Emo ranting and raving without any logical reasoning - usually sways everyone's opinions. 3. Waving your tinfoil hat around in the air - Alerts fellow conspiracy club members of your credentials. These three steps are tried and true methods of generating positive results and getting CCP devs to pay special attention to your opinions. Facts, logic and articulately presented arguments are totally overrated. who cares about my opinions anyway, CCP already applied patch.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 269	Posted - 2012.10.23 12:04:00 - [12] - Quote Recruitment Specialist wrote: SwissChris1 wrote: Seriously, ** you. Moon goo has been broken for ages, but lets screw the little guy first Ah but by screwing with FW they only upset farmers .... cant be upsetting the nullsec crowd can we? Actually farmers are not upset at all, they already made hundreds of billions isk, CCP **** over those players who stay and play FW after nerf and are not interested about isk at all.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 272	Posted - 2012.10.23 15:12:00 - [13] - Quote X Gallentius wrote: Nex apparatu5 wrote: Probably closer to 500 isk/L.... You are in the wrong militia. Anyways, farmers are still gonna farm. And with reduced farming the 500 isk/lp is going to increase over time. no one is going to farm anything. example: tier 1 medium gives 8250 lp, and some of those were so hard to kill rats that you hardly managed to kill all rats before new ones spaned so now it takes about 30min to cap, and if lp is 500isk/ lp you make 8,3m isk / hour farming those plexes. are you going to farm?
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 273	Posted - 2012.10.23 16:38:00 - [14] - Quote Axl Borlara wrote: Alticus C Bear wrote: To take a Major by killing NPCGÇÖs takes a big PVE commitment in ship fittings, I have a few Ishtar fits that can do it and still fit tackle but this is almost certain to be best done as a group now. That is not a terrible idea but the way the rewards share mean that you will be better off running minors in PVP frigates/destroyers solo. Major plexs aren't meant to be solo'd. That's the point. There's no need for for PVE specific fits at all. Use your PVP ship. If that isn't enough to take the plex, bring friends. Quote: Still feel abandoning the tier system is a mistake, it has been driving conflict until you announced nerfing it, and you could have easily tweaked the levels to even out the extremes instead. The underdog sides will find life very tricky income wise now. The 'dump lp at tier 5' system was not driving conflict of any kind. and now there is something driving conflict?
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 273	Posted - 2012.10.23 20:02:00 - [15] - Quote Klister Ethelred wrote: Quote: Have plex capture timers visible to everyone in system so you can easily tell which plexes are close to being captured. This is giving pilots EXACT location intel that they did not derive themselves. The population of any sector of space should be unknown until scanned or visited. maybe it is so called arena pvp
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 273	Posted - 2012.10.24 06:19:00 - [16] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Yuri Intaki wrote: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: I completely understand not wanting to "dumb the game down", and not wanting to kill scouting as a necessary fleet role, and having a plex timer visible on overview doesn't remove the need to have players seeing where the enemy is and in what ships. You are a moron and biased but hey, what else is new. Having plex timers show up will simply tell the other side "We have enough time to gather blob for this plex" as needed without them having to risk a scout or fight in less than optimal situation since they wont know how much time is left. A timer tells you very little about the situation, just as it doesn't tell the tale when mustering to defend a POS coming out of reinforced. While it is true that you will know which plex (or plexes) are being attacked, you will not know crucial information such as "Are the enemy ships all on the button, or are most of them at range from the beacon?" "Are they all in this system, or are there more of them next door?" It's those little, important details that can get you killed. More importantly, it makes it more likely that an attempt will be made to stop the count down with force, which is rather the whole point. Timer tell to your plexing alt that there is enough time to enter plex and ***** half of lp, and when timer is moved to landing point you can do it without any risk especially when no one can tackle you on plex gate before entering it. Excellent way to make one reason more to not plex at all with anything else than 1day griefing alts.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 273	Posted - 2012.10.24 08:09:00 - [17] - Quote If idea is to get more pvp in plexes then why defender gets lp on different times than attacker. now when defender get max possible lp only after 75% contested and also lp when system is vulnerable and attacker stops getting lp when system is vulnerable causes that when both optimize lp gain and risk we get next results: -Attacker attacks low contested systems, because defenders are not much interested about those if there is more contested systems available. -defender should focus 1st on systems which are vulnerable because there should be no more enemy plexing so you can freely defend, if there is no vulnerable systems you focus 75%+ systems to get maximum lp payout. So now tell me how this is going to add pvp when attacker and defender has interest on systems on different times?
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 273	Posted - 2012.10.24 10:01:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: I agree that 133% would be too high for the cap once it is released. We just chose that as a quick reduction for this release that balanced the desire for one side to try to take systems while the other side attempts to dplex in order to defend them. It gives both sides of each warzone a chance to respond to vulnerable systems. You just forgot the thing that there is no reason to shoot bunkers anymore because you removed rewarding phase. How to make people who got ****** hard by CCP to motivated shooting about 80 structures in 24h without reward?
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 273	Posted - 2012.10.24 10:17:00 - [19] - Quote Inquisitor Kitchner wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: How to make people who got **** hard by CCP motivated to shoot about 80 structures in 24h without reward? The only people getting hit hard by CCP are LP farmers and frankly I don't think they add anything to the game other then messing up the market. So basically it wouldn't bother me if they left. Of course they wont as the vast majority are just alts of regular players who will go back top making "normal" incomes. No CCP **** hard those who really care about system control on long term, farmers are happy already by sitting on their billions. Now those who care about system control has to shoot bunkers without rewards because farmer who made billions are gone.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 273	Posted - 2012.10.24 11:55:00 - [20] - Quote Quote: A cap on Victory Points in Factional Warfare systems has been implemented. At this time the cap is 100 VPs past whatever threshold is needed to make a system vulnerable.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 274	Posted - 2012.10.24 16:00:00 - [21] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: I agree that 133% would be too high for the cap once it is released. We just chose that as a quick reduction for this release that balanced the desire for one side to try to take systems while the other side attempts to dplex in order to defend them. It gives both sides of each warzone a chance to respond to vulnerable systems. You just forgot the thing that there is no reason to shoot bunkers anymore because you removed rewarding phase. How to make people who got ****** hard by CCP motivated to shoot about 80 structures in 24h without reward? Before the patch the Amarr were at roughly 2%. Today they are at 19.5%. Apparently the motivation in there. amarr / minmatar area has only 70 systems when gallente/caladri has 101 systems so shooting 20 systems affects lot of more in amarr/minmatar than in gallente/caldari
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 274	Posted - 2012.10.24 16:30:00 - [22] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: I agree that 133% would be too high for the cap once it is released. We just chose that as a quick reduction for this release that balanced the desire for one side to try to take systems while the other side attempts to dplex in order to defend them. It gives both sides of each warzone a chance to respond to vulnerable systems. You just forgot the thing that there is no reason to shoot bunkers anymore because you removed rewarding phase. How to make people who got ****** hard by CCP motivated to shoot about 80 structures in 24h without reward? Before the patch the Amarr were at roughly 2%. Today they are at 19.5%. Apparently the motivation in there. amarr / minmatar area has only 70 systems when gallente/caladri has 101 systems so shooting 20 systems affects lot of more in amarr/minmatar than in gallente/caldari Shooting structures is the only way to raise your tier, which is considerable motivation... particularly if your faction is only at Tier 1 the way the bonuses are laid out. Your comment about needing to shoot 80 structures in 24 hours makes little, if any, sense.... unless you are fixated with being able to spike quickly to cash out, which is something to be avoided for obvious reasons. The difference in the number of systems could stand to be looked at yes, as well as the layout of those systems for Minmatar/Amarr. However your statement does nothing to support your premise that nobody will be motivated to take systems, as obviously they are. Mostly because your average pilot in the militia's, contrary to popular belief, are not idiots. caldari had about 80 systems vulnerable ready to shoot before patch, but now systems are turning to contested and no one is anymore attack plexing because it is not profitable on anyway for a long time. If you think how much is 80 structures to shoot it is more than goons have shot in this month, so i bet if you go to any alliance and ask them to shoot 80 structures in 24h without warning with sub capital fleet they would be in trouble, also militia is not big alliance where leader just can order things to happen. CCP was intentionally making patch wihtout time to adapt to make sure that minmatar and gallente will have good start to new system with all alts farming defence lp and leaving them with most systems.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 274	Posted - 2012.10.24 18:13:00 - [23] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Quote: caldari had about 80 systems vulnerable ready to shoot before patch, but now systems are turning to contested and no one is anymore attack plexing because it is not profitable on anyway for a long time. If you think how much is 80 structures to shoot it is more than goons have shot in this month, so i bet if you go to any alliance and ask them to shoot 80 structures in 24h without warning with sub capital fleet they would be in trouble, also militia is not big alliance where leader just can order things to happen. CCP was intentionally making patch wihtout time to adapt to make sure that minmatar and gallente will have good start to new system with all alts farming defence lp and leaving them with most systems. As for not being willing to shoot structures for a better long term payout, well, CCP can't fix stupid. You are very hung up on shooting 80 structures in 24 hours. This system is designed to encourage long term steady trends, not idiotic spikes. It's not really that hard to focus your efforts on the systems you want to take. FW is not intended to be a solo occupation where you operate in a vacuum all the time. Let the lone wolf farmers protect your systems, let the organized (worthwhile) groups flip those systems... the farmers will come defend them and your whole faction benefits financially. What possible reason could CCP have for playing favorites? All that would do is put more pressure on them and paint them in a bad light. You need to start thinking rationally before you post. Your motivation for leaving those systems vulnerable and milking them as been removed, you will have to deal with the results of your decision to play that way to begin with. You seem to be simply irritated you didn't have the chance exploit the change ahead of time to pad your own wallet , and you aren't going to find much sympathy. it is not really about isk, everyone knew that caldari and amarr had plans to shoot bunkers just before patch to ensure that they have most systems, now CCP made surprise patch to protect minmatar and gallente. So CCP ****** up long term plans for amarr and caldari. It is not players fault that CCP changes rules to favor some militias over others, no wonder people are not interested about serious FW system warfare anymore, CCP will fuckup it anyway like they have done several times in the past always favoring same sides. Good start for new glorious FW ! Well done CCP !
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 275	Posted - 2012.10.24 19:11:00 - [24] - Quote Durrr wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: Timer tell to your plexing alt that there is enough time to enter plex and ***** half of lp, and when timer is moved to landing point you can do it without any risk especially when no one can tackle you on plex gate before entering it. Excellent way to make one reason more to not plex at all with anything else than 1day griefing alts. I agree that a shown timer would make ninja plexing that much easier to do (it's already easy now), although perhaps this is intentional, as another means to combat plexing from one's enemies. I mean, why force you out of the plex right now, rather than wait until you've spent (wasted) more time in the plex , and it's about done (especially in larger plexes), when you send a few ships to ninja the LP? Actually best way might be to be out of militia with main and use alts to get lp, so you can shoot who ever is in plex and take lp with alt, and if you have 2 opposing militia alts you can use alt that has less time to get lp.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 275	Posted - 2012.10.24 21:50:00 - [25] - Quote X Gallentius wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: CCP was intentionally making patch wihtout time to adapt to make sure that minmatar and gallente will have good start to new system with all alts farming defence lp and leaving them with most systems. lol, still about 30-40 vulnerable systems. it's deep into day 2, and no "lost" systems yet (today, only three yesterday). you see that this FW is not really working, CCP theory was that now there should be big fights for those systems, but no, no one is really interested. FW is over, people got so much isk already that they do not bother for nothing. This FW may work again after long period when new people with need of small isk comes to play, but old players already do something else.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 276	Posted - 2012.10.25 16:55:00 - [26] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Yuri Intaki wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: FW IHubs are much easier to take than those in null, it's not really that difficult or time consuming. Taking them out hasn't gotten any more difficult either post patch. I realize the Gallante/Caldari side of this failed to capitalize before the patch, but what's keeping those systems in a vulnerable state now? Nothing is keeping them in vulnerable state because CCP figured making it possible to defend whole space with few atrons in couple of hours to put them out of vulnerable was "only fair, given the changes". And even in best of cases with tier 3 bc fleet, you are looking at about 20 minutes per ihub so it would only take 26 hours to bust all ihubs in some fantasy land where you will have a fleet going for all this time and not get hotdropped by every bored entitity with a titan bridge out there (and they are a legion). Why dont you learn a bit about actual reality of FW before spouting crap out of your arse. Wow, are you kidding me? Who said you have to flip them all at once? I'm asking why are most of your vulnerable systems still vulnerable, while Amarr has flipped 20 or so? The fact that you have more systems is obvious and irrelevant. Over 20 dealt with on one side, virtually nothing done on the other side. Same rules, Amarr is steadily turning them and you are not... but that apparently doesn't stop you from complaining and blaming it on other factors (which apply to Amarr as well, but you conveniently ignore that fact.) Question is why to even take those systems? you think that people want to have some better tier to get LP? They do not really want, because LP is pretty much worthless, maybe Amarr is only militia who finds that it is worth it because they never got their tier 5 because of CCP surprise patching. So now we have situation where gallente and minmatar has most systems when new FW started because CCP wanted to save them by surprise patch, only reason why Caldari or Amarr did not shoot those earlier was that it takes 3 days to shoot those back, so only way to make sure you can have them is to wait until time comes, time that never came on way that you really can adapt. You still keep claiming that we can take them, sure we can, but there is not reason to take those, but now we are victims of old fw system, because CCP make idiotic game braking FW patches one after one thinking that people do something by their plans. CCP just favors some sides of FW, this patching was clear example about it, they saved those who made most isk out of it anyway, and they gave 100+ systems for them to start getting lp on new FW by defending, leaving other side without last cash up to shoot bunkers without rewards. Atleast i knew that FW they brought in inferno was horrible alt boost, same is now, i do not see any reason why this could work because CCP thinking about how players think and act is so much out of reality.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 276	Posted - 2012.10.25 17:31:00 - [27] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Yuri Intaki wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: FW IHubs are much easier to take than those in null, it's not really that difficult or time consuming. Taking them out hasn't gotten any more difficult either post patch. I realize the Gallante/Caldari side of this failed to capitalize before the patch, but what's keeping those systems in a vulnerable state now? Nothing is keeping them in vulnerable state because CCP figured making it possible to defend whole space with few atrons in couple of hours to put them out of vulnerable was "only fair, given the changes". And even in best of cases with tier 3 bc fleet, you are looking at about 20 minutes per ihub so it would only take 26 hours to bust all ihubs in some fantasy land where you will have a fleet going for all this time and not get hotdropped by every bored entitity with a titan bridge out there (and they are a legion). Why dont you learn a bit about actual reality of FW before spouting crap out of your arse. Wow, are you kidding me? Who said you have to flip them all at once? I'm asking why are most of your vulnerable systems still vulnerable, while Amarr has flipped 20 or so? The fact that you have more systems is obvious and irrelevant. Over 20 dealt with on one side, virtually nothing done on the other side. Same rules, Amarr is steadily turning them and you are not... but that apparently doesn't stop you from complaining and blaming it on other factors (which apply to Amarr as well, but you conveniently ignore that fact.) Question is why to even take those systems? you think that people want to have some better tier to get LP? They do not really want, because LP is pretty much worthless, maybe Amarr is only militia who finds that it is worth it because they never got their tier 5 because of CCP surprise patching. So now we have situation where gallente and minmatar has most systems when new FW started because CCP wanted to save them by surprise patch, only reason why Caldari or Amarr did not shoot those earlier was that it takes 3 days to shoot those back, so only way to make sure you can have them is to wait until time comes, time that never came on way that you really can adapt. You still keep claiming that we can take them, sure we can, but there is not reason to take those, but now we are victims of old fw system, because CCP make idiotic game braking FW patches one after one thinking that people do something by their plans. CCP just favors some sides of FW, this patching was clear example about it, they saved those who made most isk out of it anyway, and they gave 100+ systems for them to start getting lp on new FW by defending, leaving other side without last cash up to shoot bunkers without rewards. Atleast i knew that FW they brought in inferno was horrible alt boost, same is now, i do not see any reason why this could work because CCP thinking about how players think and act is so much out of reality. Except, of course, that none of that is true as is evidenced by what the Amarr did (and are still doing while you sit there and complain). If you want to make steady money, take the damn systems and defend them... get them out of vulnerable. Get your past "spike it when you need it" mentality out of your head. Farmers with that mentality were killing FW. It's really is just that simple. If you want ot make steady isk ratting in lowsec is better isk than plexing in FW area.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 276	Posted - 2012.10.25 17:48:00 - [28] - Quote Veshta Yoshida wrote: Not sure if CCP are exercising favouritism, to me it looks a lot more like ignorance and ineptitude. I mean what possible purpose (favouritism wise) would crashing all navy markets, allowing stockpiles worth trillions of ISK in LP and merchandise to accrue, making hundreds (PvP'ers from all 4 militias) leave FW and force their own Devs to dust off the dropped ball in an attempt to fix ** again/again .. serve? But by all means, if feeling victimized is what gets you the jollies then knock yourself out .. think you are fooling yourself and attributing way too much intelligence/strategy/planning to the work put into FW up until the YtterbiumGÖÑFozzie robot came online. Ranger 1 wrote: Except, of course, that none of that is true as is evidenced by what the Amarr did (and are still doing while you sit there and complain). .. The previous point that Black Rise and the rest of that FW area has a lot more bored external forces waiting for "da lulz" within range is correct .. we are talking Jita neighbourhood for Goddess sake so most of null probably has a Titan permanently stationed in range of the area. CCP plans for new FW is driving pvp pilots out of militia leaving only alts to milita. Quote:** Have plex capture timers count backwards to the default state when no players are contesting them This means that pirate/neutrals can defend systems, just chase people out, so why to stay in militia, if you are neutral you can dock when you want and still affect FW.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 276	Posted - 2012.10.25 19:54:00 - [29] - Quote Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: Veshta Yoshida wrote: Not sure if CCP are exercising favouritism, to me it looks a lot more like ignorance and ineptitude. I mean what possible purpose (favouritism wise) would crashing all navy markets, allowing stockpiles worth trillions of ISK in LP and merchandise to accrue, making hundreds (PvP'ers from all 4 militias) leave FW and force their own Devs to dust off the dropped ball in an attempt to fix ** again/again .. serve? But by all means, if feeling victimized is what gets you the jollies then knock yourself out .. think you are fooling yourself and attributing way too much intelligence/strategy/planning to the work put into FW up until the YtterbiumGÖÑFozzie robot came online. Ranger 1 wrote: Except, of course, that none of that is true as is evidenced by what the Amarr did (and are still doing while you sit there and complain). .. The previous point that Black Rise and the rest of that FW area has a lot more bored external forces waiting for "da lulz" within range is correct .. we are talking Jita neighbourhood for Goddess sake so most of null probably has a Titan permanently stationed in range of the area. CCP plans for new FW is driving pvp pilots out of militia leaving only alts to milita. Quote:** Have plex capture timers count backwards to the default state when no players are contesting them This means that pirate/neutrals can defend systems, just chase people out, so why to stay in militia, if you are neutral you can dock when you want and still affect FW. So shoot the pirates.... What is with all the whining, bitching, and moaning in this thread??? It really makes me think FW is just filled with a bunch of LP grinding whores that don't actually care about shooting people... but only about tier 5 reward payouts... The point of FW is shooting other players.... Bunkers, LP payouts, etc, are just design mechanics to help setup interesting fighting situations, to help pay for your pew pew, and to encourage pew pew.... If FW is about you getting rich, then do everyone a favor and quit it... If you are outmatched... use tactics, ship up, or (as is too common) blob up. If these aren't an option, move to a different system... until their numbers dwindled and your numbers peak. If you have systems that are vulnerable... organize a fleet and go take them out.... having a vulnerable system helps your ENEMY, by giving them a place to afk plex... There is no point in having them anymore!!! FW has lots of targets, lots of people willing to fight, and that is why you should be in FW.... In fw you do everything with buddy alts, pvp is not reality and these new changes do not change that.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 277	Posted - 2012.10.27 11:21:00 - [30] - Quote Ravinus Brown wrote: I am very pleased with this patch. Now there is no one doing anything in FW anymore. I also calculated that I would make three times more isk mining belts in hisec than doing offensive plexes in caldari-militia. Maybe I should invest in Mackinaw create mining corporation How can you fail so much nerffing too much at once? It's like everyone employee at CCP wanted to make their own nerf to ISK making in FW. What is the reason I would take plexes when there is no reward whatsoever? -Ravinus Brown- I think we are forming some kind of mining corporation to get enough tritanium for all those thousands of navy battleship prints we got from lp store.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 281	Posted - 2012.10.30 08:59:00 - [31] - Quote It seems that good old FW missioning running times are back, common question for new player in militia was before patch how to plex, now it is how i can get FW missions I like to thank CCP how they boosted FW missions to give about 80k lp / mission and you can still do those with solo bomber \o/ As i remember this solo bomber missioning was one of the top priorities Hans wanted to nerf

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