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Xenuria
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Posted - 2012.10.22 22:30:00 -
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Some of you may remember I made a thread focused on the myths and facts about Anonymous. In that thread many people ridiculed me and said I was making stuff up or that I was a conspiracy theorist. Something similar happened many years ago when I was in a history class at MCCC and I was trying to tell people about the concentration camps operated by the sea org. My professor and the students told me I was nutty and that I had a wild imagination. Then of course it's now 2012 and anybody can open a book or watch a documentary about the slave camps that have existed for many years and still exist today. I am giving this back-story to establish a recurring theme I have noticed in my life.
I make a claim that I know from first hand experience or research to be true.
The claim is shrugged off or criticized by people who only know what they see on tv or read in the news.
Time passes and the claim(s) I made are not only confirmed but become widely known.
This is exactly what happened with my thread on Anonymous. I made the claim that Anonymous had a instrumental role in the arab spring. I knew this because I was myself involved at that time with Anonymous. The problem was that what I knew then was not widely known as it is today. This brings us to a very special documentary called "We Are Legion: The Story of The Hacktivists".
Youtube Video of the Documentary
Official Website
The official website for the documentary has an interactive timeline similar to the one Al-gizera made for their coverage of the arab spring.
This is the "I told you so" moment. I should hope that in the future when I make a statement or claim about something of this nature that people are more willing to actually do some research before calling me names and disregarding me.
Unfortunately there are still people that I know today who I associate with who animatedly and enthusiastically deny that Anonymous had anything to do with the Arab Spring. It is my hope that through education and dissemination of information that this undesirable phenomenon will be less common.
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Xenuria
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Posted - 2012.10.22 22:57:00 -
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I forgot to mention it in the original post but I will not be responding to personal attacks.
If you want to have a mature and civilized conversation about the subject matters of this thread then I have no problem with that.
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Xenuria
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:16:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Why are you reposting this and in a tune that you like you were all over it from the beginning?
Well I was involved in OP Iran and OP Tunisia, I had first hand knowledge of these events. When I attempted to share this information people shunned me and told me I was trolling.
Jim Era wrote:*casts personal attack
but seriously, what are you even talking about, I've read it like 3 times and still lost.
The thread is about a social phenomenon whereby a claim is made based off of first hand knowledge and that claim is ignored or denied by a large demographic. The information is later disseminated and verified by many different entities and the people that originally tried to deny the claim cower like rats or continue to deny the claim.
That is what this thread is about.
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Xenuria
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:29:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:But nobody shunned you in the last thread....
The second part is correct, you are a troll, but that's not really the subject here.
In the last thread many people claimed there was no evidence or no reason to take anything I had said as fact. A number of people articulated varied degrees of doubt, denial and criticism.
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:37:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156334
You and I aren't on the same page it seems.
The thread you linked is NOT the thread I am talking about. Read the OP of this thread again and you will see that I am referring to a thread I made some time about about the myths and facts of Anonymous.
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:47:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:And I was referring to that thread the entire time.
It's ok, honest mistake.
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Posted - 2012.10.23 16:15:00 -
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Sebastian LaFleur wrote:As a rather new member of the forums I gave you the benefit of doubt and read the thread you referred to. Your "evidence" wasn't exactly substantial: an Al-Jazeera slideshow and your own words. So I can't see why anyone should have taken it seriously. And then again, why would you even give a **** what other people think about the Anonymous? In the other thread you said: Xenuria wrote:For you or anybody else to say that Anonymous had nothing to do with the uprisings in the middle east or their subsequent success is not only broadly offensive and ignorant it is insulting to ME as somebody who participating in the uprisings. Isn't participating (whatever that means in this case) in anonymous Anonymous activities in order to get personal recognition very illogical and beside the point of the organisation?
This was never about personal recognition, you just chose to interpret it that way. This was always about getting the word out and informing people about what is happening in their world. I was very frustrated back then that people were so quick to doubt me when I had seen first hand and even participated in the arab spring. Don't misunderstand me, I am not trying to say that I am some sort of big freaking deal or that anybody should be impressed with me. In truth the work I did and my level of participation was dwarfed by that of those with way more free time and resources then I had. This was and still is about trying to inform people.
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Posted - 2012.10.23 16:29:00 -
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Jhan Niber wrote:Sebastian LaFleur wrote:As a rather new member of the forums I gave you the benefit of doubt and read the thread you referred to. Your "evidence" wasn't exactly substantial: an Al-Jazeera slideshow and your own words. So I can't see why anyone should have taken it seriously.
Isn't participating (whatever that means in this case) in anonymous Anonymous activities in order to get personal recognition very illogical and beside the point of the organisation?
This is why I don't hold much respect for people with psychology degrees. Xenuria, who's a self proclaimed psychology student, can't understand what gives a person credibility and misses the simplest concepts of an organization he's supposedly heavily involved with.
Since when did you become an expert on the core concepts and ideas of Anonymous?
Anonymous is many things and one of it's facets of purpose is to inform an share knowledge.
Let us assume just for the sake of argument that you are some sort of supreme arbitrator of all things Anonymous (even though such a thing would never exist). What in particular am I doing wrong in your eyes?
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Posted - 2012.10.23 17:01:00 -
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Elias Greyhand wrote:The purpose was to inform people about what's going on in the world.
Really? People don't care unless it directly impacts upon their own tiny bubble-world in a meaningful way and that's the kind of information people - except stalkers - can't provide.
You make a valid point. I think I would be the exception to that rule. I often find myself deeply invested in the events of the world around me even if the impact these events have on me personally is minimal.
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Posted - 2012.10.23 17:29:00 -
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Borascus wrote:Cassandra Syndrome is a form of Asperger's, but most likely or occam's razor version? People want to refute it for the craic. Quote:It is a principle stating that among competing hypotheses, the one which makes the fewest assumptions should be selected. Also, you do actually risk standing out in a crowd as outrageous. If your ideas are concrete and you believe that the influence was malevolent in any way see someone. You should join a different Hacktivist group EDIT**: Or leave hack groups altogther and become a Jesuit.
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
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Posted - 2012.10.23 21:21:00 -
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Gah wall of text deflecting and spinning.
Seriously guys, just come out and say what you said when I disbanded Hydra reloaded.
"We didn't listen"
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:37:00 -
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I am curious as to how many of you would actually take me at my word next time I made a serious statement or claim? I realize that the eve community is no stranger to elaborate deception but I am also not your typical human being either.
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