it will be fun and exciting to watch all the new changes at once.
It'll be like a new game.

Campaign for changes ...whine when changes happen.

:Aliens:.

Im getting a sexier megathron!

If I go to fanfest next year I will buy whoever made the new mega the most outragious drink I can find!

Also other stuff. Dont rag on CCP for working on EVE, this is what we wanted.

Confirming this will be completely awesome for everyone but high-sec zealots like OP. HTFU, n00b.

I for one am excited by the upcoming changes.... and encourage them!!!!

Most of the changes have been discussed for quite a long time (ship changes, FW changes, etc). And many of them have been testable on the Test Servers for quite a while.... So what exactly is your problem??

BTW, please think back to Apochrypha, the one release that we were allowed to test for a long time and had all kinds of changes on Sisi I described above? Yeah, now think about how few changes were made AFTER it was released.

I for one am excited by the upcoming changes.... and encourage them!!!!

Most of the changes have been discussed for quite a long time (ship changes, FW changes, etc). And many of them have been testable on the Test Servers for quite a while.... So what exactly is your problem??

Er.....the problem is essentially CCP has a long, unfortunate track record of implementing broken concepts or code.

Let's use FW, since the hammer fell on that concept yesterday .
The desperately needed changes were not due to flawed coding, but a hugely flawed concept.

Take your pick of the following reasons that concept was implemented. Some may be true, others not, but at least one of them has to be true since CCP just erased big chunks of how they envisioned the new improved FW concept 6 months ago:

1. CCP did not think through the concept enough and did not recognize that the players would game the system perverting it from the way CCP envisioned it.

2. CCP ignored the players on the forums who recognized the problems with the concept before it went live.

3. CCP did not allow the players and devs enough time to thoroughly test the concept to avoid the exploitation that CCP just stopped.

And that was just one system. Now CCP is changing 3 new systems, overhauling FW AGAIN, and introducing Dust.
That is way way too many moving parts to ensure that there will not be "unintended consequences"....drastic ones.

I am not saying that the general thrust behind these changes is not a step forward (OK, I think the AI change is idiocy).
What I AM saying is there is no way CCP can get all these things right at the same time, especially given CCP's track record.

It would be far better to slow down the process, dump all these changes onto one server, and take months to analyze precisely how all these changes interact with the existing game.

Let's look at some recent history:

Incursions: Introduced, and then hammered back into the stone age because CCP did not forsee the players industrializing them.
FW: Overhauled, then hammered back into the stone age (yesterday) because CCP did not forsee the players industrializing them.
Tech Moons: Took a long time to happen, but the players have managed to consolidate and industrialize them, and CCP has stated they want to overhaul the system.

In every case, the player base figured out the loopholes in the mechanisms, and maximized profit., skewing the game in a manner CCP ultimately did not like.

BTW, please think back to Apochrypha, the one release that we were allowed to test for a long time and had all kinds of changes on Sisi I described above? Yeah, now think about how few changes were made AFTER it was released.

What a well thought-out response.
Your parents must be so proud of your literary skills.

Yes, when you can't attack the message, attack the messenger.

Yes the new mega looks good but the old one did too. Gallente ships don't need remodels near as bad as Minmatar and Caldari ships! Oh look its a Blackbird... Looks like Lego's gone wrong. CCP is doing the right thing remodeling the stabber/vaga! CCP, can we see an Stabber Fleet Issue pic too?

I don't recall ever seeing players tell CCP "fewer new changes/features, please" before.

Blackbird? Have you seen the Moa? I mean really seen that thing?

I love the Osprey and Blackbird. The Moa has its own curious styling, which some people might interpret as ugly, but at least it is not symmetrical and boring.

Symmetrical is boring. No two ways about it.

And given the incredibly short test windows CCP is allowing, it is impossible to have the long-term, widespread testing required to see how all these changes will interact.

I really liked the part where Soundwave kept making a big deal a while back about how it was important for CCP to quit rushing development of expansions and to release stuff when it is actually ready for release and to actually put out content that makes sense and that players want rather than just farting out nonsense features, and then immediately after that we got Inferno.

That was pretty funny.

Confirming I am still placing a massive bounty on Dinsdale Pirannha for his terribad posting when December comes around and encourage others to join me. Feel free to post how many millions you will also place on him.

I really liked the part where Soundwave kept making a big deal a while back about how it was important for CCP to quit rushing development of expansions and to release stuff when it is actually ready for release and to actually put out content that makes sense and that players want rather than just farting out nonsense features, and then immediately after that we got Inferno.

Confirming I am still placing a massive bounty on Dinsdale Pirannha for his terribad posting when December comes around and encourage others to join me. Feel free to post how many millions you will also place on him.

Adapt or die. Most of us actually welcome change.

If you can't come after me alone, and need the help of the new bounty system, well then chum, you are a coward.

Meet me in null sec. 1 vs 1 on the sun.

Also I'll still place a bounty on you, because I think other people should enjoy killing you too.

it will be fun and exciting to watch all the new changes at once.
It'll be like a new game.

well yeah dust will kill eve but we have known that for a while, the rest seems pretty fun.

Im getting a sexier megathron!

If I go to fanfest next year I will buy whoever made the new mega the most outragious drink I can find!

Also other stuff. Dont rag on CCP for working on EVE, this is what we wanted.

What does **** me off when someone, or some group, decides to prey on another group, just because they have different values. [GǪ] That is what Eve was originally designed for.

What does **** me off when someone, or some group, decides to prey on another group, just because they have different values. You want to take on someone in game, and blow their ship out of the sky for territory or financial gain, or pure PvP fun, I can see that. That is what Eve was originally designed for.

But to meta-game people, or to hammer people in-game for something done out of game, that is just twisted. So when null sec groups run their propaganda campaigns bent on ruining the enjoyment for quite literally hundreds of thousands of people, just because it gives them great pleasure to do so, well, that is just wrong.

Or Dinsdale could put a huge bounty on you as well and then I can shoot...er...bomb, actually.... the both of you and make some fat bank.

CCP, you are about to implement not one, not two, but at least 3 different major changes to game mechanics, plus introduce Dust, plus overhaul 40 some odd ship hulls, plus seem to be in the midst of yet another overhaul of FW.

......

And given the incredibly short test windows CCP is allowing, it is impossible to have the long-term, widespread testing required to see how all these changes will interact.

What is the harm of SLOWLY implementing these changes.

Give the players, and ultimately your dev's, 6 months to test the new systems

Do you guys seriously believe that you can create bullet-proof systems and the players have enough time to examine every possible loophole in the time you have allotted for this next release?.

No of course they don't. You have to give this stuff to the players on the live systems to really see what the interactions are going to be like.

The test systems can be used to test the code for bugs but actual meaningful game play is only going to take place on the live system.

I've been involved in the rollout of lots of IT systems and updates. They have been tested thoroughly in testing managed by experienced test managers, with large and varied test groups but no matter what we did we never knew what was actually going to happen until the changes were released on to the full production services.
Companies can spend millions on product testing but they always seem to end up having to fix things post release.

Change is sometimes painful and unwanted by a % of your current user base but without it products and games do not survive.

Yes, I am sure that is what many, many large companies do.
I am sure that multi-national banks release new code that manages their international trading expecting unknown issues to pop up. Or some country will alter software that manages its nuclear arsenal hoping it all works out.

Now, clearly, the ramifications of CCP releasing flawed concepts is not world-wide annihilation, but within the world of the CCP customers, who knows where this many simultaneous changes where lead to.

Yes, I am sure that is what many, many large companies do.
I am sure that multi-national banks release new code that manages their international trading expecting unknown issues to pop up. Or some country will alter software that manages its nuclear arsenal hoping it all works out.