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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.03.30 16:03:00 -
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I'm not recommending this so much as I would like to think about the effect it would have.
What if the Thron's Large hybrid tracking bonus was changed to a large hybrid signature resolution bonus.
Methinks it would revive sniper setups on that ship, as well as still boost blasters.
Discuss...
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Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2005.03.30 16:07:00 -
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Nope, but how about +7.5% Large Hybrid Damage and -20% Microwarpdrive Capacitor Penalty per level? 
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.03.30 16:45:00 -
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No that would make it useless, it needs a to hit bonus of some kind.
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Thyro
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Posted - 2005.03.30 16:54:00 -
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I'd recommend also a bonus for APOCs
5 medium slots instead of 4 (lets say one medium slot per BS level)
Also
8 low slots instead of 7 (lets say also, one low slot per BS level)
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Vasq
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Posted - 2005.03.30 18:34:00 -
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on a serious note .. 5% more cap would be better as the mega has the smallest cap of all tier2 bs (which is a bit poor as proj/missile dont use cap)
on a less serious (but more sarcastic one) to make the mega on par with an apoc, u would need the following ship skill bonuses,
10% cap per lvl
10% tracking per lvl
5% power grid per lvl
100% optimal on L blasters per lvl
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.03.30 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 30/03/2005 18:41:21
 Originally by: Vasq
on a serious note .. 5% more cap would be better as the mega has the smallest cap of all tier2 bs (which is a bit poor as proj/missile dont use cap)
on a less serious (but more sarcastic one) to make the mega on par with an apoc, u would need the following ship skill bonuses,
10% cap per lvl
10% tracking per lvl
5% power grid per lvl
100% optimal on L blasters per lvl
I think they want the mega balanced ;_; and it is pretty much fine. Stop trying to fit a MWD and use an AB.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.03.30 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 30/03/2005 19:24:42
Mega + AB...
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.03.30 19:35:00 -
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can we discuss the idea?
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SLIM
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Posted - 2005.03.30 19:38:00 -
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I'd like to see a 4-5% bonus to blaster RoF actually. They are supposed to be the damage dealing race, really. This would keep blasters off Apocs while making them feared again.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.03.30 20:55:00 -
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apoc < MT.
catch is to fit blasterthron properly.
Forget about insane bonuses, else i will resurrect leave mt topic. But it would need some more basic cap,pg & most badly cpu. Maybe they will lower cpu&pg need of large blasters.
But some ship creation errors:
MT has same armor as Raven, though raven has more shield. But has hull hp in abundance... like 6k hull.... but hull capacity helps noone. This need change, except if someone tells me of successfull hull tank(ie hull tank that can tank taranis).
MT has ~same cap as raven.... great, but raven don't need mwd and no cap for weapons. Ok some may complain about torps needing time to hit at 40km... but do blasters hit there? NO. Damn, fit MWD on raven and you will hit better than any blasters...
Blasters hit fine on MT, no real problem with that, no need of better tracking, but: named & t2 variants of blasters should get tracking or falloff bonus instead of optimal which is useless. (ie Megapulse gains 4km by using t2 gun with multis, blasters maybe 1km)
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.03.30 21:10:00 -
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A speed bonus wouldn't help the megathron more then a damage bonus since it would run out of cap faster...
The problem with not having an MWD fitted is that ships with higher range that have one fitted can kite you till you're dead and you never have a chance to fight back pretty much...
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.03.30 21:23:00 -
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Back away from the 'thron bonuses, k?
They're fine.
CCP are fixing cap useage on hybrids, that is a good thing.
Now I think they just need to reduce the sig radius penalty THROUGHOUT the MWD's and I think we'd be getting somewhere that would make a blastathron as feared as it once was (or is that more feared than it is now? I forget).
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absolute
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Posted - 2005.03.30 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vasq
on a serious note .. 5% more cap would be better as the mega has the smallest cap of all tier2 bs (which is a bit poor as proj/missile dont use cap)
l
The mega has 4500 cap while the tempest & raven have only 4250.. Mega cap is the second best.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.03.30 21:32:00 -
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Yea, but it also uses the most cap intensive equipment in the game...
Minmatar and Caldari use no cap at all for their weapons.
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2005.03.30 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 30/03/2005 22:33:55
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
I think they want the mega balanced ;_; and it is pretty much fine. Stop trying to fit a MWD and use an AB.
yea, getting to a target with a MWD doesn't take long enough, so use an AB. 
Swap out the tracking bonus, put in 10% MWD speed bonus increase per lvl, and increase large blaster tracking by 25%. Problem solved.
Now you
A) Get to target faster
B) have to use less reps of the MWD to reach target = more cap left for tank/weapons
C) can still move reasonably while webbed.
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2005.03.30 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 31/03/2005 00:01:38
Originally by: Dianabolic
CCP are fixing cap useage on hybrids, that is a good thing..
whoopty friggin doo. with 10% reduction you'll save 204cap/minute using 7 ions with lvl 5 rapid fire and 4 mag stab 2s. Watchout everyone, blasterthron will be able to do 1 more rep of a large armor repairer every 2 minutes.
I don't see why people thing this is going to do anything, it wont. 
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pardux
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Posted - 2005.03.31 05:08:00 -
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on sisi neutrons now use 2250 grid  so stop whining....
7x neutrons 100mn mwd 7x dmg mod 4tw?
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Zyanid
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Posted - 2005.03.31 06:53:00 -
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pardux, if you land 30+ km away from any other bs in the game with that setup you would be toast since most bs's use either an ab or a mwd nowadays it would take some time to catch up with them and with no defence means bye bye megathron..
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2005.03.31 07:32:00 -
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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 31/03/2005 07:37:33
Originally by: pardux
on sisi neutrons now use 2250 grid so stop whining....
7x neutrons 100mn mwd 7x dmg mod 4tw?
wow i didnt even notice. 
BTW, gankageddon will still kill a 7xneut 7x dmg mod blasterthron if starting distance is 20+km 
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2005.03.31 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 31/03/2005 07:33:54
Originally by: Zyanid
pardux, if you land 30+ km away from any other bs in the game with that setup you would be toast since most bs's use either an ab or a mwd nowadays it would take some time to catch up with them and with no defence means bye bye megathron..
uh, most bs use ab or MWD? Where do you play?
Also, if you would like to play with my neutron/dmg mod stacked blasterthron on SISI, I'm more than up for it. 
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Zyanid
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Posted - 2005.03.31 07:39:00 -
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.03.31 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Letifer Deus
Edited by: Letifer Deus on 30/03/2005 22:33:55
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
I think they want the mega balanced ;_; and it is pretty much fine. Stop trying to fit a MWD and use an AB.
yea, getting to a target with a MWD doesn't take long enough, so use an AB.
Swap out the tracking bonus, put in 10% MWD speed bonus increase per lvl, and increase large blaster tracking by 25%. Problem solved.
Now you
A) Get to target faster
B) have to use less reps of the MWD to reach target = more cap left for tank/weapons
C) can still move reasonably while webbed.
This is reasonably on target but I think it needs to be accompanied by a significant mass decrease for the megathron.
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.03.31 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Letifer Deus
Edited by: Letifer Deus on 31/03/2005 07:37:33
Originally by: pardux
on sisi neutrons now use 2250 grid so stop whining....
7x neutrons 100mn mwd 7x dmg mod 4tw?
wow i didnt even notice.
BTW, gankageddon will still kill a 7xneut 7x dmg mod blasterthron if starting distance is 20+km
Given that they do more damage with 400% more range ... yes, yes they would D:
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.03.31 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Letifer Deus
Edited by: Letifer Deus on 31/03/2005 07:33:54
Originally by: Zyanid
pardux, if you land 30+ km away from any other bs in the game with that setup you would be toast since most bs's use either an ab or a mwd nowadays it would take some time to catch up with them and with no defence means bye bye megathron..
uh, most bs use ab or MWD? Where do you play?
Also, if you would like to play with my neutron/dmg mod stacked blasterthron on SISI, I'm more than up for it.
urr gotta agree ... Just speaking for amarr here. how many gankageddons or pocs do you see using a MWD ?
"One gimped cap to go please !"
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SLIM
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Posted - 2005.03.31 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Typherin laidai
urr gotta agree ... Just speaking for amarr here. how many gankageddons or pocs do you see using a MWD ?
"One gimped cap to go please !"
Typherin
Actually they're quite useful, especially if you have to hunt your enemy down in non-insta territory.
Apoc and gimped cap? Isn't that an oxymoron?
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Auman
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Posted - 2005.03.31 09:59:00 -
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Here's an idea, how about forgetting about an MWD related bonus because not every megathron pilot uses blasters....
Changing cap usage on L hybrids will hopefully sort things out, a slight cap boost would be good but time will tell if it's needed  .
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.03.31 11:35:00 -
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just a question: what will reduced cap help blasterthron vs raven? Dmg on blasters is too low. There is no problem in cap. Problem is in too low armor(raven has same armor!!!, more shield. Oh i forgot, i can hulltank), too high mass, and too low dmg.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.03.31 11:36:00 -
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About sniper setups: make raven rail platform. Missile problem solved.
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Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2005.03.31 11:44:00 -
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they'd have to fixe bonus, powergrid, etc... Raven is fine IMHO.
problem is megathron, the dmg bonus should be higher, i say 7.5%, and the cap use on blasters (maybe rails too) should be decreased (not much though), and this powergrid usage decrease on blasters sounds really cool, it migh revive the Brutix!
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.03.31 11:47:00 -
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no raven is not fine. Ok raven is ok, but torpedoes are not. Raven vs blasterthron => dead tron in 80%... except if... t2 guns on mega & noob in raven.
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