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Davich MacGregor
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Posted - 2003.07.04 15:51:00 -
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Because of the huge influx of new producers the economy is expected to be flooded with more products than can be consumed. Prices are expected to crash to near cost levels resulting in a near zero profit margin for all manufacturing ventures.
The blame for this can be placed directly on the shoulders of those who opened the factory flood gates and bent to the will of the masses crying for more factories. They have gone from one extreme to the other. Now all will pay.
Edited by: Davich MacGregor on 04/07/2003 15:55:00
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Jack Hayden
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Posted - 2003.07.04 15:57:00 -
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Oh great, yet another doomsayer. Tell you what, why don't you just give me everything you own and quit EVE?
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Askari
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Posted - 2003.07.04 16:01:00 -
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give him half - give me the other half.
Seriously - This does not bother me at all.
I can manufacture a lot cheaper than a lot of these newer smaller corps, and with luck! (sic), they will find their niche and the market and i will keep mine.
And if all goes very well, those new producers are going to need my services and all inds of new trade agreements and partnerships are in the offing!
Hey-Ho!
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Elereth
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Posted - 2003.07.04 16:06:00 -
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Hopefully this will ease everyone's minds on this matter. (from the GNN interview of Solaris, transcription courtesy of EveGate. http://www.evegate.net/exclusives/int011.php)
5) I understand that after launch EVE's economy needed a jump-start by allowing BPs to be bought via the market. My question is are BPs going to continually be given to the players via the market, or are you going to, at some point, get back to your original plan which was to allow most of the best BPs (ships, weapons, equipment, drones, ect..) to be obtained via an in-game auction, or buy other less broad means giving some form of exclusivity to corporations? (from Microbe)
A) Yes definitely, the blueprints on the market currently are the basic equipment. When we introduce new items into the game which we're going to do over the next few weeks, there will be new items coming in on regular intervals, the blueprints for these items will not be available on the regular market since these are advanced equipment. They will get into the game via pirate loot drop, or missions, or be found on special occasions, we might even do an ingame auction for blueprints. Only the largest corporations have much chance to compete for that but it is a fun thing to do
Follow-Up: is it quite possible that certain corporations are going to have the only copies of certain blueprints so they will have monopolies and set whatever prices they want?
A) Definitely, some of these blueprints will be extremely rare or even unique
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When a small corp gets a rare/unique BP, they instantly have their own market in that regard. :)
Hopefully we'll be seeing these rare/unique BPs in the game very soon. Who knows? Maybe some of them are in the pirate loot drop tables right now.
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Merell
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Posted - 2003.07.04 16:25:00 -
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I'm sorry Elereth but that's even worse. What needs to be done is to infuse the market with demand. Not hamper production.
If we look at the stock market, interesting stocks are those with a high volume. If you look at the stocks with low volumes even a single buyer will have a great affect on the current rate, creating a volatile market.
When I first got interested of EVE it was mainly the player driven market that lured me. With these kinds of monopolys the market will be very secondary to the game. A means to an end, nothing more.
I guess we can expect to see even lower volumes beeing traded in the future.
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Madcow
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Posted - 2003.07.04 16:38:00 -
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Nope thats the good thing for the market exclusive product now every one has it and noone needs the market because their corp can make it or they self can make it.
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.07.04 16:43:00 -
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Tell me if I'm wrong, but how is this going to be economic collapse. To me it looks like the theory of perfect competition playing out before our very eyes. In comparison to the costs of production, profit can be made by producing these goods. As more "firms" are entering the market of selling these goods, the price will drop. When it is no longer profitable, some people will stop producing and look to other means to make money. As producers leave the market, the price will go up again.
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Merell
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Posted - 2003.07.04 16:47:00 -
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vf142rex people are angry because it's to hard to make fast money. Most items are impossible to sell.
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.07.04 16:52:00 -
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I can't remember the last time I bought something in the market.
I only buy named loot, and I think this is true for anyone who's played for more than two weeks.
The only items in the market which players buy are ships. The margins on ships are already razor-thin; the market is Eve is *uber* efficient, and too many players don't think about adding in a decent margin for profit.
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Davich MacGregor
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Posted - 2003.07.05 12:53:00 -
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Hayden, why don't you find a more original line? As for doomsayers, it's a ROLE PLAYING GAME. Some things on this board follow that theme. Get used to it.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.05 13:23:00 -
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It's not a role playing game.
Never was.
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Zaphod Robotnik
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Posted - 2003.07.05 13:39:00 -
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<<It's not a role playing game.>>
Tell that to those corps involved in the current story arc. I think you'll find EVE is what you make of it...
Edited by: Zaphod Robotnik on 05/07/2003 13:39:08
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Kessica
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:34:00 -
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Only the largest corporations have much chance to compete for that but it is a fun thing to do
Bah! What jerk suggested that ? The big corps will get bigger and more powerful and the small corps wont get a chance. And what about the poor freelancers who are trying hard to go it alone.
CCP: Why the hell dont you think things through ?
You make so many rash decisions an then wonder why people get upset. Just for once *think* about what you are doing and the the consequences of your actions are.
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:39:00 -
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Kessica it's simple. a corp of 10 people should never be able 2 stand toe to toe market wise with a corp of 150 people. 150 will have more resources, ISK, and power then 10. You can't have it any other way..
and freelancers shouldn't be doing large scale manufacturing operations anyway
Edited by: Bentguru on 06/07/2003 04:39:57
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Crimsonjade
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:42:00 -
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there is no way a freelancer should be able to compete with large corps. why should they be able to? what is the point of large corps if freelancers have a fighting chance? no a freelancer is someone who is on the bottom, constantly fighting to survive and using the 2nd hand items. the fun in that is ur all on ur own... no one tells u what to do. if u dont like that then DONT BE A FREELANCER!
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:43:00 -
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that "next few weeks" bit should read "next few months" as that interview is several weeks old now i believe.
also unique items and decent stuff cannot be sold on the market. look at Heavy drones for example, one minute we can sell them, then this patch comes along and all of a sudden we cant sell them.. why not?
heavy drones are a viable market item.. dont pretend they arent. what would the point be of corps having unique prints if they could only sell the items on fans ites and stuff like eveauction.com etc?
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.06 04:46:00 -
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<< Kessica it's simple. a corp of 10 people should never be able 2 stand toe to toe market wise with a corp of 150 people. 150 will have more resources, ISK, and power then 10. You can't have it any other way..
and freelancers shouldn't be doing large scale manufacturing operations anyway >>
<< there is no way a freelancer should be able to compete with large corps. why should they be able to? what is the point of large corps if freelancers have a fighting chance? no a freelancer is someone who is on the bottom, constantly fighting to survive and using the 2nd hand items. the fun in that is ur all on ur own... no one tells u what to do. if u dont like that then DONT BE A FREELANCER!
Tell that to Michael Dell.
If the economy favors no single group or individual due to artificial mechanics, large scale corps shouldn't have to worry. They'll find a way to get what they want. But tilting the balance against the small corps or freelancers beforehand only guarantees frustration by setting an artificial wall with a sign on it that reads:
No matter how smart, how cunning or how good you are, you cannot climb this wall.
What are you afraid of? Someone smaller than you whipping your tush on even ground? ;)
Edited by: Jash Illian on 06/07/2003 04:49:25
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Ruffles
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Posted - 2003.07.07 13:35:00 -
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Sadly the market isn't truely player driven, like any other game you can only get better items from killing mobs/pirates/etc.
DAoC was a little closer to the mark, making player made equipment have a higher quality value, which then effected damage, armour, etc. This did give the player made items a more unique element to them which was an advantage. Sadly, more and more cries for free drops from mobs of better quality negated that effect.
If player manufactured items had an advantage over dropped loot, then there would also be a demand for it. Hell it even opens another potential research skill option.
I still think if player made stuff had a quality difference, not just a price difference (after all free, even though those people don't perceive the cost of the ammo/dmg from a fight, still wins over buying an item on the market).
When there is a demand, not just NPC's, but real player demand, then things will be better. Also, when trade routes, and supply and demand flow cross regions, things will also be more interesting. The lack of market information across regions, and the lack of longer haul runs being more profitable then short runs does tend to lead to similar trading patterns.
I agree with another post. Very high reward trade routes should come with runs into 0.0 space. But there also needs to be something out there to deliver to, even a very very basic space station with next to no services. It still provides the element of risk.
Sadly, until space stations are buildable in a resonable time, it will still be months before enough exist in those regions of space to warrant trade. Even then, thought come to mind, that if the corporation can afford to build it out there, then won't they have their own traders doing runs of required items. Hell will there even be consumables for space stations to warrant a need for trade? Would smaller space stations not be more useful to the market in that more people can build them, but also that means perhaps all resources were expended on doing it, that trade requires out-contracting?
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Guardian334
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Posted - 2003.07.07 13:49:00 -
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Named loot needs to be marketable. I want to put things I find on the market; I don't need a lot of it but someone else might want to. Hell, going to the market is FUN in EVE until you realise there aren't things to bring back 'home' anymore. Then it's irritating. I play to play, not to make a ton of friends and pretend I'm still in the chat program known as Everquest. But to get access to drops I have to spend a lot of time chatting people up, then meet them directly to get loot.
Screw that. Fix the gd market so everyone can log loot into it for sale and buy.
That solves these problems. Plus it'll let everyone have FUN with loot; sorting for sale, looking at what's out there, picking and saving for things you want. That'll be mucho fun, but we can't since they won't fix the database so we can do it.
As for the rest of it; it's about availability. I buy consumables and upgrades for my ships. That's what I mostly want to spend money on. Drones, Missiles, and Ammo; plus fitting gear that looks useful. I really really loooove how I can place buy orders and limit them to a station or some such; some produce can CHOOSE to fill my order by showing up with goods.
It's awesome; I don't have to meet them, talk to them, or haggle. I leave my price and goods show up or don't. Pretty cool, IMO. Pretty easy to play, on purchaser and seller, too.
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Bolka
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Posted - 2003.07.07 14:19:00 -
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"It's awesome; I don't have to meet them, talk to them, or haggle. I leave my price and goods show up or don't. Pretty cool, IMO. Pretty easy to play, on purchaser and seller, too."
That's exactly like the bazaar in Everquest.
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Dimholt
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Posted - 2007.12.14 09:52:00 -
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We all know the aftermath of this dont we 
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Marsman37X
Amarr
Alder Space Pioneers
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Posted - 2007.12.14 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dimholt
We all know the aftermath of this dont we
Necro much?
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
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Estephania
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Posted - 2007.12.14 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Estephania on 14/12/2007 10:04:26
Stupid necro
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Kitarie II
Marquie-X Corp
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.14 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dimholt
We all know the aftermath of this dont we
u should rename your char to dimwit
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Posted - 2007.12.14 10:10:00 -
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wtf this is bull****.....
1 corp able to get 1 bpo the day that happends i think many will leave eve...
we allready have had one big BUG in the game t2 BPO and now this ????
why dont u just give those corp a money printing machine ? where is the blog saying this ??? cause the gm or whatever who said this or done this or dev i meen.. is not only stupid he is a ******... WHOM havent learned of eve history...
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ISD Valorem
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.14 10:11:00 -
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Please do not bump old threads.
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