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teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2012.10.25 17:23:00 -
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From the beginning I would like to bring to your attention the fact that I have been playing EVE online for a long time and I could have never believed that I will come across such an issue...Let's see which was the trail of the events and what was the answer of the organising committee members. Romania Renegades is itself a corporation which will be celebrating, on February, 10 years of activity inside eve-online and which during the peak times has about 200 registered and active players About 3 weeks ago, this corporation entered the militia, applying to 'happy endings ' alliance, where we hoped we will have fun, but happy endings alliance starts a war against another alliance and corporation which is part of the same faction or the faction allied by militia and in the meantime they have persuaded us , the renegades that the time has come to leave this alliance because of the war that was about to take place within 24 hours. Once we have left the happy endings alliance we were aweare that the followoing 24 hours were critical and that we could not apply to another alliance because we were still at war , even though we left the alliance which has started this war. And now... the big surprise... a corportation part to this war has turned it into mutual and from their point of view this war could never end. This problem should not be a major one as long as that corporation is active , but this corporation (emperor throne guards) has only 10 members and they are completely inactive (probably a corporations of alts) and this situation makes the contact basically impossible in order to get to a mutual agreement! Although this war has not been started directly by the Romania Renegades corporation it seems that it will continue because of a fault of the organising committee of this game.
Why their fault? it s very simple... it is just not fair that this war keep existing , even though we have left the alliance , because we did not agree with this war and after all we are in an endless war. I was amazed because of GM's lack of respect, who normaly should try to answer quickly and find a solution to this matter. What do you think that was their answer? ..... "we can't help you in this problem, so the only thing you can do is to disband the corporation Romania Renegades ant try to recreate it when possible" ... Shame!... Shame on you!.... How is it possible to distroy the whole history for so many players and the history of one of the oldest corporation just because nobody at CCP can fix a bug created by game mechanics itself.? .....how come an entire corporation of players which pays this game every month to CCP, to not have the posibility to join an alliance? Is it Because another corporation with inactive players managed to speculate this bug and they keep us with this endless open war, without any solution to close it? How is it posible that the whole CCP's honor to stop with one reply from one GM which says that " we can't do anything" ?
Who from CCP can answer to this questions? and give us an honorable and fair solution? |
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2012.10.25 17:48:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Just 2 questions why did you try and leave the alliance instead of just riding it out.
What was the point of entering the alliance to begin with.
Second if you are under a permanent war dec and nobody is active in the corp then why does it matter if you are at war or not.
I am a little confused at what you want CCP to do.
Oh and last what kind of time frame are we talking here.
Have you been at war for several months now or something ?
Because of this everlasting war the Romania Renegades corporation cannot join any allaince ......this is the game mechanics .... we cannot apply to any alliance while in war status ...in our case the happy endings alliance has began this war |
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2012.10.25 17:56:00 -
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Doddy wrote:If they are inactive how did they set the war mutual? Makes no sense bro. Anyway just pay them some of your isk mountain through a third party to drop the war, shouldn't be a problem for a rich man like yourself.
Btw its not a bug, ccp are deliberately trolling and seems to be working.
maybe this is just a speculation they made in such a way to block certain corps or alliance with these warss in the mutual ,,way`` |
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2012.10.25 18:22:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I don't believe the issue is that they can't leave the alliance, the issue is that they didn't leave quickly enough and the war will follow them where ever they go.
You could simply try the surrender option and offer them some ISK.
If they are inactive and don't respond you are in no worse situation than now, if they accept it situation resolved. Nobody would think badly of you for taking that path to get out of a war with an inactive corp playing games like that.
I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee.
We have tried all options ...even the surrernding one... after 3 weeks of uselees atempts of contacting any member of theyr corp we had no rezult ..... |
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2012.10.25 18:25:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee. They're not totally inactive, the guy is lying. We know this because they were alert enough to see the war and make it mutual. He's trying to make excuses to get CCP to get him out of the situation rather than pay the ransom.
We made the surrendering offer but nowbody is online to accept it |
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2012.10.25 18:35:00 -
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Lithalnas wrote:Well, highsec greifers gave up the ability to do 2mil wardecs on everyone for the ability to prevent you from running away with a game mechanic. You could 'deal with it' or you could negotiate with the aggressors.
I've tryed this thing but no results .they totaly inactives |
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2012.10.25 18:40:00 -
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svenska flicka wrote:Tippia wrote:svenska flicka wrote:Well then I do sympathize, seems a fix is in order then? At least have the war carry over but in a new alliance right. Nah. They specifically wanted to avoid that so that you can't GÇ£sneakGÇ¥ in a lot of free support on the aggressor side. The issue would rather be the copying of the aggressor and/or mutuality flags, and even those are iffy as far as issues go. The actual problem here is that they apparently can't get the other side to react to (and, preferably, agree to) an offer of surrender. Maybe make the mutual war just carry over to corp but not whole alliance? Yeah, this is a not easy to figure out, maybe the OP just chewed more than he could swallow and he needs to face it and just wait or pay whatever they ask. Also wondered why he decided to leave just as war became mutual? I am all over the place on this one, sympathy or no sympathy, that is the question 
Even we have left the alliance they have the oportunity within 24 hours to make the war mutual......when we have exited the alliance the war was not mutual |
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2012.10.25 19:11:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Off topic posts removed.
Moved from EVE General discussion.
Why did u move this topic?....the topic was fitting perfectly in general discutions ......do i have to understand that u guys want to cover this topic for the plain reason that u dont have a honest answer to my questions? |
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:43:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Antares 04 wrote:The problem appeared after RR had been persuaded to leave the alliance, (apparently they did not do so out of fear of some 10-man corp) because once they had done so they were still at war with the 10-man corp, and that corp then made the war mutual. Actually I might be mistaken here but the war was mutual to begin with and the moment RR left alliance on their own, they were permanently saddled with it. I did see some surrender offer but I think it was 3m isk or 300k isk so I assumed it was just a trolling attempt. Antares 04 wrote:You have been around for to long to be broken by this issue. Nor should you give your 'targets' the satisfaction of ruining your enjoyment. You do understand that they declared war on us with intent of breaking us and ruining our enjoyment. Not other way around. Why should we feel bad for 200 man corp attempting to make war on 10 man corp?
When an alliance declares war , the lider of an alliance doesnt ask each corporation in part if they whant to join the war, he just acts , but Romanian Renegades didnt whant this war, not beause we had a problem fighting this war , just becasue we had other plans and not our corporation declared war against them, we just waked up with this war even if we left Happty Endings, this is only CCP game mechanics |
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2012.10.26 19:45:00 -
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Quote:Re: war
From: Bad Messenger
Sent: 2012.10.25 23:08
To: ev3rmor3,
I can arrange war to end for 50b , if you want to use 3th party i will accept Chribba, you pay expences.
Yours
Bad Messenger
war
From: ev3rmor3
Sent: 2012.10.25 21:08
To: Bad Messenger,
I want to have a chat to solve a problem regarding a war that obviously we didn't start and didn't want
Your request is "extremely abusive" and because of this reason Romania Renegades is considering this war can continue like this forever
Romania Renegades never had issues with any war and and I do not see why this would bother us. Romania Renegades never forgets people that are helping the corporation and never forgets people that are doing things against this corporation.
ISK you requested will be a good hunting reason and will be used to be donated to Romania Renegades' friends becasue I will offer ISK for each ship destroyed of corporation of alts and main corp or alliance.
This situation proved that corporation can adapt very fast and noticed that has very good allies that accept us the way we are without joining any allyance so eve moves on.
PS - I wish you maxim fun in this war .. many thanks to all that understood this matter and were next to us on the forum ... and not last thanks CCP that managed to prove once more inability of solving problems that this game mechanics has |
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:10:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider.
This might be a lesson for all people. Inspect what wars you are jumping to before joining and alliance and be cautious if you happen to see sociopath Finns involved.
There's no point in thinking about it .. when you will get war from RR to Liandri Covenant please make mutual ...
PS : I tried to close this matter in an honourable manner but I see there's no point |
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:26:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:teroarea wrote:Quote:Re: war
From: Bad Messenger
Sent: 2012.10.25 23:08
To: ev3rmor3,
I can arrange war to end for 50b , if you want to use 3th party i will accept Chribba, you pay expences.
Yours
Bad Messenger
war
From: ev3rmor3
Sent: 2012.10.25 21:08
To: Bad Messenger,
I want to have a chat to solve a problem regarding a war that obviously we didn't start and didn't want Your request is "extremely abusive" and because of this reason Romania Renegades is considering this war can continue like this forever Romania Renegades never had issues with any war and and I do not see why this would bother us. Romania Renegades never forgets people that are helping the corporation and never forgets people that are doing things against this corporation. ISK you requested will be a good hunting reason and will be used to be donated to Romania Renegades' friends becasue I will offer ISK for each ship destroyed of corporation of alts and main corp or alliance. This situation proved that corporation can adapt very fast and noticed that has very good allies that accept us the way we are without joining any allyance so eve moves on. PS - I wish you maxim fun in this war .. many thanks to all that understood this matter and were next to us on the forum ... and not last thanks CCP that managed to prove once more inability of solving problems that this game mechanics has I cleary can accept your view point in this matter, you wanted to cause isk losses for our friends and you are not willing to compensate possible caused losses and you want to continue this mutual war after all. I do not see how CCP is failed because we both agreed that this war can be mutual. As this thread shows current wardec systems is working as intended.
If I would have agreed with this war we were still in Happy Endings alliance; game mechanics does not allow closing the war when we went out of alliance becasue you set it mutual in next 24hrs during cooldown period. |
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