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DIsposible Hero State War Academy Caldari State 30	Posted - 2012.10.26 00:06:00 - [1] - Quote I'm not necessarily talking about Cynabals as such, but rather that whole class of ship. Fast moving frigates and/or cruisers with the ability to dictate range. However it usually is a Cynabal, so lets stick with that. Obviously if a Cyna doesn't want to engage, there's not a lot I can do to force them, but I want to maximise my chances of tackling one and holding them long enough for a friendly gang to catch up. I don't care about beating them 1v1; if they see a ship that stands a chance against them 1v1 they'll just bolt. I want to get in, apply tackle and hold them down until help arrives. In that respect, it would also be helpful if the ship doesn't appear to be a threat so that they'll want to engage it. I fly mainly Minmatar but I can retrain if there's a better ship that does what I want. The qualities I'm looking at are: - Speed - Tackling ability - Tank - Price (not a major concern, but I suck at EVE so it would help if it were something disposible!) - Appearence of threat (IMPORTANT! How likely the Cynabal is to engage) I've written off interceptors as too fragile but if someone can correct me then great. So far my candidates are: - Wolf: Fast, a lot of tank for a frig but can't apply a full tackle. Cyabal would probably be willing to engage a solo Wolf but it might not survive long enough - Jaguar / Firetail: Very fast, can apply a full tackle but probably not tanky enough - Vagabond: Good all round, a bit expensive though and not really fast enough to catch a Cynabal. Cyna would probably just run. - Stabber: Very disposible, almost as fast as a Cyna, but made of wet toilet paper. - Stabber Fleet issue: Fast, good tank, but still not really fast enough. Frigs will run, Cyna might engage. - Rupture: Very disposible, can fit a good tank, neuts and full rack of ECM drones, but not really fast enough. At the moment I'm looking at getting a Jaguar, and perhaps a Stabber for testing purposes. I can move on to more expensive ships once I know what works and what doesn't.
Worpout Tribal Liberation Force 30	Posted - 2012.10.26 00:58:00 - [2] - Quote What you will need: 1. Friends 2. Rapier + links Then hope he dont warp before the rapier can lock him and you can point him. Can also do an arazu as well for the long range point,
DIsposible Hero State War Academy Caldari State 30	Posted - 2012.10.26 01:10:00 - [3] - Quote Worpout wrote: What you will need: 1. Friends 2. Rapier + links Then hope he dont warp before the rapier can lock him and you can point him. Can also do an arazu as well for the long range point, Problem with a Rapier is they're not likely to just sit there and just let me creep up to them cloaked; they're going to be constantly moving and I'm not going to catch up without a MWD. I also have no idea what sort of tank a Rapier packs. What links, btw?
Dracan02 I N E X T R E M I S Fidelas Constans 6	Posted - 2012.10.26 01:40:00 - [4] - Quote DIsposible Hero wrote: Worpout wrote: What you will need: 1. Friends 2. Rapier + links Then hope he dont warp before the rapier can lock him and you can point him. Can also do an arazu as well for the long range point, Problem with a Rapier is they're not likely to just sit there and just let me creep up to them cloaked; they're going to be constantly moving and I'm not going to catch up without a MWD. I also have no idea what sort of tank a Rapier packs. What links, btw? a raipier with skirmish links can web at about 50km so if you duel web him and use a long point and fight at about 30km (link long point should go all the way out to 32ish km) you will not have to tank too much dps because you will be well into his fall off unless he is using arti's, fit 200's instead of 425's so you can kill his drones and there goes half of his dps. a fleet should be no more then a minute or 2 away, so all you have to do is not die. oh and you can fit a CovOps cloak so you can pick your engagement better Rapier: trapper Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Capacitor Battery II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,EMP M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I this fit should do it well enough, tho it will be a fair bit more expensive if you lose it.
Arch Stanton's Neighbour Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc 38	Posted - 2012.10.26 02:05:00 - [5] - Quote vigilant, provided you get tackle a cyna pilot could engage one if he's confident he'll stay out of web range, get some webs with links and you're golden
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 720	Posted - 2012.10.26 02:12:00 - [6] - Quote rapier shrug
Lenny Snipes Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.10.26 04:04:00 - [7] - Quote Play with the Stiletto, reduced MWD sig is helpful, TD to negate his guns,125s to kill his drones and prayer.
Danny John-Peter The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 148	Posted - 2012.10.26 09:09:00 - [8] - Quote Dracan02 wrote: DIsposible Hero wrote: Worpout wrote: What you will need: 1. Friends 2. Rapier + links Then hope he dont warp before the rapier can lock him and you can point him. Can also do an arazu as well for the long range point, Problem with a Rapier is they're not likely to just sit there and just let me creep up to them cloaked; they're going to be constantly moving and I'm not going to catch up without a MWD. I also have no idea what sort of tank a Rapier packs. What links, btw? a raipier with skirmish links can web at about 50km so if you duel web him and use a long point and fight at about 30km (link long point should go all the way out to 32ish km) you will not have to tank too much dps because you will be well into his fall off unless he is using arti's, fit 200's instead of 425's so you can kill his drones and there goes half of his dps. a fleet should be no more then a minute or 2 away, so all you have to do is not die. oh and you can fit a CovOps cloak so you can pick your engagement better Rapier: trapper Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Capacitor Battery II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II,EMP M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I this fit should do it well enough, tho it will be a fair bit more expensive if you lose it. Ok, first, Dat fit; [Rapier, Lol Cap Stable is for people who are bad.] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Warded Ladar Backup Cluster I Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I Damage Control II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I Cynosural Field Generator I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I (Swap the Invul for a Point if needed) Second, Learn to EFT format. @ OP; A curse would perform pretty well tbh, Faction point and an optimal range TD, hold him at like 30, ownzone, if you have mates a Rapier/Huginn + a few BCs would be fine, if the Cynabal pilot is bad then Dual Web Drake/Armour Cane would both perform admirably. The problem with the Cynabal is its speed basically allows the choice of engagement, and if it doesnt want to play, then its pretty hard to put in a situation where it has to. If you could get it to engage a Curse, I fly this in gangs; [Curse, Curse Point] Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Capacitor Power Relay II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Corpii A-Type Small Nosferatu Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Medium Nosferatu Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Hammerhead II x5 Valkyrie II x5 Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Add a few Drone Damage mods and I would bet on the Curse winning that fight.
Darius Brinn Iberians Iberians. 129	Posted - 2012.10.26 11:26:00 - [9] - Quote Rapiers. The bane of all things Cynabal, Vagabond, frigates and, to an extent, Talos and Tengus when you've got friends.
Worpout Tribal Liberation Force 30	Posted - 2012.10.26 11:26:00 - [10] - Quote The only problem with using recons is that he is likely to know the danger when he see them on scan. Even if they decloak, he is very likely to warp before you even get a chance to lock him.

Darius Brinn Iberians Iberians. 129	Posted - 2012.10.26 11:35:00 - [11] - Quote Worpout wrote: The only problem with using recons is that he is likely to know the danger when he see them on scan. Even if they decloak, he is very likely to warp before you even get a chance to lock him. Well, if you are always assuming a certain degree of competency from your oposition, why bother trying to catch anything? People in their kiting ships sometimes DO like to goof around. Even when they see fleets. With two Rapiers. And probes out. They STILL think they can kite everything and that going at 2Km/s while hitting at 40Km is all they need. It http://www.iberians.org/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17659 is http://www.iberians.org/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16887 not http://www.iberians.org/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17662 A bonused Rapier at a gate and scoutless small, fast prey, and Bob's your uncle. The Rapier is a wonderful tool when you need to pin fast things, and that's the best advice we can give, actually.
Reuqh Dew Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2012.10.26 11:46:00 - [12] - Quote Lachesis with scram, damps and some shield tank. Dunno what Cynabals think about it tho. Pilgrim.
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 867	Posted - 2012.10.26 12:09:00 - [13] - Quote Bait Iteron 5, web scram and kill it ! brb
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy 235	Posted - 2012.10.26 12:41:00 - [14] - Quote Executioner for long point tackle og Atron for short range tackle AND dps
Tru Love Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.10.26 13:11:00 - [15] - Quote The unwanted bastard child of rust-origin might work, perpahps. [Hyena, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Gistii B-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Tracking Disruptor II 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Barrage S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Skelee VI Wraithguard. 14	Posted - 2012.10.27 16:34:00 - [16] - Quote A dram with dual prop can hold long enough for friends to come by. have to keep tight orbit or dead.
feihcsiM Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 77	Posted - 2012.10.27 18:22:00 - [17] - Quote Skelee VI wrote: A dram with dual prop can hold long enough for friends to come by. have to keep tight orbit or dead. The problem there is the med neut that a lot of cynabals fit will ruin your day. They are a bugger to catch, anything that can catch them they can pop easily, anything that can kill them they can run from. Any single-ship solution is always going to be a bit of a gamble. I'd suggest something specifically fit to just pin one down, something like: [Caldari Navy Hookbill - Cynabal Tackler] [High Slots] 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I - Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket - (To pop drones) 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I - Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I - Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket [Med Slots] Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Small Capacitor Booster II - Navy Cap Booster 150 Medium Ancillary Shield Booster - Cap Booster 50 [Low Slots] Gravimetric Backup Array II - (mitigates ECM drone effectiveness to some extent) Damage Control II [Rigs] Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Needs max fitting skills. 149/176OH dps. 3480 m/s. Cap stable when un-neuted without using cap booster. This fit 100% relies on getting in close. Act like a noob. Make him come to you off station/gate, ideally sat in a belt / at celestial. If he drops anything more than 20km from you just warp to next celestial. The idea is to make sure he sees where you go. Rinse & repeat, hopefully he'll think you're running from him, will chase you hoping for a nice faction frig kill and eventually ** up and drop close. Overheat your mids, dive in close, get tackle, establish a nice tight orbit & hope he's fit with 425's and has barrage loaded. Get your gang in. Make any drones your primaries, especially ECMs. Stagger your cap injector with his neut cycles, You can usually get the cap booster reload in before he neuts you out and pulls range unless you're really unlucky, but if not you have only 40 - 50 seconds before you lose tackle. You can drop the ASB for another cap booster and gain the ability to tackle indefinitely until you run out of charges at the expense of popping in just a couple of volleys if things go wrong. Tested on sisi twice against a friend in a cookie cutter cyna. Managed to get a cap booster reload in both times in before I DIAF, tackle held for about 2.5 mins. ECM drones didn't jam me, (sensor strength 18 with the backup array but down to chance ofc.) It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.**
Dread Pirate Pete Tribal Core Defiant Legacy 94	Posted - 2012.10.27 20:05:00 - [18] - Quote Really? Every proposal comes down to "get tackle, wait for backup"? Friends, the hard counter to every situation! Ask goons!
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin 594	Posted - 2012.10.27 20:40:00 - [19] - Quote got i hate those damned cynabals bunch of no talent cowards http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg
Sigras Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N 238	Posted - 2012.10.27 21:16:00 - [20] - Quote Honestly I just use my loki [Loki, Cynabal Tackle] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Gyrostabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Armor Explosive Hardener II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Domination Warp Disruptor 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 It has a low engagability rating but if you catch them in a bait situation or a gate camp, theyll never get away.

Red Teufel Blackened Skies Nulli Secunda 83	Posted - 2012.10.27 23:31:00 - [21] - Quote brutix + web drones. :}
Lenny Snipes Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2012.10.28 02:23:00 - [22] - Quote Dread Pirate Pete wrote: Really? Every proposal comes down to "get tackle, wait for backup"? Friends, the hard counter to every situation! Ask goons! OP asks what to tackle with until help arrives... duh.
DIsposible Hero State War Academy Caldari State 30	Posted - 2012.10.29 02:22:00 - [23] - Quote Lenny Snipes wrote: Dread Pirate Pete wrote: Really? Every proposal comes down to "get tackle, wait for backup"? Friends, the hard counter to every situation! Ask goons! OP asks what to tackle with until help arrives... duh. Exactly. I don't care about getting the kill myself, I just want to disable the guy until help arrives (~30 seconds). We (kind of) successfully caught the guy today. A Wolf scrammed him and was able to keep him that way until an Azaru arrived, which was then able to hold him until the rest of the gang caught up. Not ideal though; we lost the Wolf and the Azaru was almost into structure. I think I might have to give the Rapier a try. Loki sounds ideal, but its also expensive. We had one in our gang and I noticed the Cyna would immediately warp off if the Loki appeared on grid.
Martin0 Maximum-Overload 87	Posted - 2012.10.29 07:30:00 - [24] - Quote Red Teufel wrote: brutix + web drones. :} Web drones are terribad, sorry (remember, they have stacking penalties).
Maeltstome the unified Negative Ten. 103	Posted - 2012.10.29 12:41:00 - [25] - Quote Darius Brinn wrote: Rapiers. The bane of all things Cynabal, Vagabond, frigates and, to an extent, Talos and Tengus when you've got friends. If i see a lone rapier in a vaga/cyna within web range, i will bum rush it. A rapier will not live more than 20-30 seconds if they overheat and crash into you. This is a throwback to the old 'nano' phase of eve. people where like "lawl, huginn > vaga, easy kills". ANy vagabond pilot who know they can't warp off will just overheat their top rack and cut the recon in half before backup arrive. The cynabal compound the issue since it has more EHP and damage. TH e stiletto is a better choice imo for baiting it into a fight and not dieing.
nahjustwarpin Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2012.10.29 13:20:00 - [26] - Quote [Arazu, ar] 3x 250mm Railgun II (Javelin M) Covert Ops Cloaking Device II 2x Large Shield Extender II 2x Remote Sensor Dampener II (Targeting Range Dampening Script) True Sansha Warp Scrambler Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 2x Power Diagnostic System II 2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I 4x Infiltrator II dampens cyna targeting range to 14193, while scramming to 22500
Donnerjack Wolfson Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2012.10.29 18:33:00 - [27] - Quote I used to say the Catalyst. But the last four cynabals I tried to engage in a catalyst ran away instead of shooting me. It's really, really scary, since if they're smart, they can kill me in a heartbeat.
Princess Nexxala Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly 154	Posted - 2012.10.29 19:14:00 - [28] - Quote For a cookie cutter cynabal pretty much any frig with AB , TD scram and nos can solo one. Condor works especially well nos+scram+ab+td Cyn cant neut you, cant hurt you once you kill drones, will take 10m to kill but the km is oh so sweet. Toughest part is getting tackle, however they are an arrogant bunch these cynabal pilots. Use FW plex gates to your advantage. Its not too hard to get him to land @ 0 on you. Its really easy if he is expecting an easy kill. Using rapiers, t3s , arazus, etc is ***** ****. Only cyn pilot you will catch with those is a ****** one. QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180
Earl Hazard Lightbringer's Sanctuary RAZOR Alliance 14	Posted - 2012.10.30 00:39:00 - [29] - Quote Just get yourself another Cynabal.
Maeltstome the unified Negative Ten. 104	Posted - 2012.10.30 12:18:00 - [30] - Quote Princess Nexxala wrote: For a cookie cutter cynabal pretty much any frig with AB , TD scram and nos can solo one. Condor works especially well nos+scram+ab+td Cyn cant neut you, cant hurt you once you kill drones, will take 10m to kill but the km is oh so sweet. Toughest part is getting tackle, however they are an arrogant bunch these cynabal pilots. Use FW plex gates to your advantage. Its not too hard to get him to land @ 0 on you. Its really easy if he is expecting an easy kill. Using rapiers, t3s , arazus, etc is ***** ****. Only cyn pilot you will catch with those is a ****** one. Talking absolute trash. You will never get into range with an AB. And he will neut you until your tackle turns off anyway, one blast of his MWD and you die to his guns. MWD, Nos, Web, Scram, local repairer. Only way you can survive long enough for backup to arrive.

Noisrevbus 268	Posted - 2012.10.30 13:07:00 - [31] - Quote I've never really understood these threads: there are so many scenarios and the presentation is always vague. If you are not alone you only really need one offensive tackle ship and one form of support. This could be a Rapier + Scimitar pair. It could also be something like a fire-support ship with high DPS to go with the offensive tackler. That lead us onto the next bit. The reason you want some kind of support is because a Rapier alone would see the Cynabal switch to offensive-mode and move in for a brawl (afterall, the Rapier will not out-dps or tank a Cynabal at standard point-range and down). Picking any other ship and the Cynabal is faced with similar concerns. This is where the logic in most of these threads begin to break down. There are plenty of options if you assume that the Cynabal actually engage you to begin with - that he actually come into your snap-range to apply effective tackle and damage - that he wants to catch you. There are very few miracle ships in the game that is better at both catching and brawling at a lower pricetag or an "engagable" outlook. Those ships don't exist because they're not meant to exist - it's called balance. It's not like Cynabals run around without concern for what they commit to. If the question is "can do" and not what "reliably do" the number of options are plentiful. You can beat a Cynabal with a lone Rapier or Huginn. You have the tools to catch him and if you play better than your opponent the difference in tank-spank is not so vast to make it impossible for you to win if he decides to go offensive. You could do something as simple as stick a faction-point plus LR weapons on a Huginn and you'd be able to kite him outside of his point-range similar to how he play defensively against other ships (assuming he is standard Tech II / AC fit). The further out from his point-range you push him, the more his damage will drop comparative yours and the disparity between your tanks. That too ofc. also assume that he is not better than you at execute the flying bit or recieve any other favourable factors (such as starting in brawl range; as you can twist and turn anything "prospective" in favour in EVE). Personally, i wouldn't do something odd like that - i'd just trap him with two offensive ships. In short: - Any combination that allow you to trap an opponent (eg., a Recon-support pair, or bait + cloaky Recon). - Any ship with high offensive tackle combined with fair tank-spank (eg., a Recon) - Any ship with fair mobility ontop of better tank-spank, provided the target engage, at all (eg., Tech III) - Any ship with similar features as the target based on the "execution principle" of the Recons (eg., a Vaga). If there is a super ship that is less expensive, look more engageable, is as fast and can both catch and brawl the Cynabal? No, those don't exist and would never be allowed to exist. They're not meant to exist. Trying to combine the element of "engageability" with "reliable win" is nonsensical. Ships become "engageable" when you give an advantage to the opponent (percieved or real).
Tru Love Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.10.30 13:17:00 - [32] - Quote Noisrevbus wrote: lot of sense. What you are saying is the truth. However, you might have missed that part of the OP where he mentions, allow me to digest, the following: - not after solo kill - go in and tackle until help arrives - not too expensive - nothing that would scare the Cyna [class ships] away But all-in-all nice post.
Noisrevbus 268	Posted - 2012.10.30 13:26:00 - [33] - Quote The same scenarios still apply though... Wether something survive or not is ultimately up to you, the choices you make and how you define terms of estimation. A Rapier is cheaper than a Cynabal, so comparatively it would be cheap and perform the tackle aspect with grace while retaining the tank to hold out until help arrives. If you want to further complicate things you need to ask yourself the question what the "help" entail. Will the help be able to apply secondary tackle, reach or catch up? There are alot of ships that can maintain point and survive for 1-2min against a Cynabal. However, even if help warps to a gang-mate (instead of a gate or w/e) they may end up 100km away from the fight if there is no secondary tackle applied. Assuming the help has 100km webbers + pointers and snipers, a simple Interceptor will be able to maintain point long enough to establish the 100km killzone. Assuming the Cynabal takes risk to burn a bait-ship down all you need to do is surprise him with a tank and tackle he doesn't expect. You could armor-tank a ship that normally shield-tanks and fill your mids with secondary tackle. That ultimately have to do with the choices the Cynabal-pilot makes though and you need to keep in mind that "expensive" is a variable in what makes you "engageable". Some people will simply not take bait that isn't worth any risk. An expensive ship becomes appealing to kill. He is afterall flying a 300m ship and may not be keen to go for small-fry even if he thinks he could win with relative ease, or not commit when engaging because he doesn't have to. There are just so many options and variables that even with the added requirements in that short list - it doesn't really establish any truth or fact. That's part of the charm of EVE.
Skelee VI Wraithguard. 14	Posted - 2012.10.30 14:57:00 - [34] - Quote Disposible Hero, I just saw your name. You after my Cyn? LOL A jag may be an option too with an ASB. what kind of distance in terms of warp may be a factor too. Have a cloaky rapier near by to get dual webs and curse to neut him.
Princess Nexxala Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly 158	Posted - 2012.10.31 14:54:00 - [35] - Quote Hey numpty, learn to read and you might just learn to play the game. 1. He cant turn off your tackle if you have a nos, or are you unclear as to what that is? I'm sure in your extensive pvp experience you have encountered them before right? Condor is especially good at that with its cap bonus (omg derp whats that, dribble dribble) 2. Tackle is really the only issue as I said, but unless you have the IQ of a pile of dog **...its not that hard to get a cynabal to follow you when you are in a T1 frig. He lands on you @ 0 and you have him. Now please go learn a few things about pvp you pathetic wannabe. And quit giving advice and insulting people who actually are trying to help and know what they are talking about. Maeltstome wrote: Princess Nexxala wrote: For a cookie cutter cynabal pretty much any frig with AB , TD scram and nos can solo one. Condor works especially well nos+scram+ab+td Cyn cant neut you, cant hurt you once you kill drones, will take 10m to kill but the km is oh so sweet. Toughest part is getting tackle, however they are an arrogant bunch these cynabal pilots. Use FW plex gates to your advantage. Its not too hard to get him to land @ 0 on you. Its really easy if he is expecting an easy kill. Using rapiers, t3s , arazus, etc is *** ****. Only cyn pilot you will catch with those is a ****** one. Talking absolute trash. You will never get into range with an AB. And he will neut you until your tackle turns off anyway, one blast of his MWD and you die to his guns. MWD, Nos, Web, Scram, local repairer. Only way you can survive long enough for backup to arrive. QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180
Maeltstome the unified Negative Ten. 104	Posted - 2012.10.31 15:37:00 - [36] - Quote Princess Nexxala wrote: Hey numpty, learn to read and you might just learn to play the game. 1. He cant turn off your tackle if you have a nos, or are you unclear as to what that is? I'm sure in your extensive pvp experience you have encountered them before right? Condor is especially good at that with its cap bonus (omg derp whats that, dribble dribble) 2. Tackle is really the only issue as I said, but unless you have the IQ of a pile of dog **...its not that hard to get a cynabal to follow you when you are in a T1 frig. He lands on you @ 0 and you have him. Now please go learn a few things about pvp you pathetic wannabe. And quit giving advice and insulting people who actually are trying to help and know what they are talking about. Maeltstome wrote: Princess Nexxala wrote: For a cookie cutter cynabal pretty much any frig with AB , TD scram and nos can solo one. Condor works especially well nos+scram+ab+td Cyn cant neut you, cant hurt you once you kill drones, will take 10m to kill but the km is oh so sweet. Toughest part is getting tackle, however they are an arrogant bunch these cynabal pilots. Use FW plex gates to your advantage. Its not too hard to get him to land @ 0 on you. Its really easy if he is expecting an easy kill. Using rapiers, t3s , arazus, etc is *** ****. Only cyn pilot you will catch with those is a ****** one. Talking absolute trash. You will never get into range with an AB. And he will neut you until your tackle turns off anyway, one blast of his MWD and you die to his guns. MWD, Nos, Web, Scram, local repairer. Only way you can survive long enough for backup to arrive. You recommended a an AB frigate to tackle a cynabal - your opinion is invalid. Anyone who has flown a Vaga/Cyna or flown against one knows they are frigate killers. An MWD to close range is the only option you have - a Cynabal will NOT land at 0 on you unless the pilot is a dribbling mess, so nothing you said holds any weight in the real world. And P.s. your tackle will turn off if you have a local repairer, if you dont have a local rep you die to his drones. The question is: How long can you hold him until that happens? With an MWD you can at least stay close to him once he tries to get range from you and his neuts go out of range. With the AB you get melted after one MWD cycle from him.
Princess Nexxala Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly 158	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:37:00 - [37] - Quote My opinion is invalid? LOL! Trust me big guy next to Loren I dont think there is a soul in the game with more experience then me in a Cynabal. 1. You can get him to land @ 0, and if you can't your just not even trying. Warp to a FW plex gate for example , he will follow at between 20-50. If you get the distance wrong warp off and try again. Use planets, belts, really doesn't matter. And its very simple. 2. Tackle will not turn off if you have a NOS, and you don't need an active tank. You can kill the 5 drones long before they become any threat and a TD stops damage from the guns completely. TBH this should all be common sense to anyone with at least a little pvp experience. I have something like 2000 kills in a Cynabal and the majority were idiots in frigs mwding toward me thinking they could tackle me. Here is the last one http://qcats.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14346851 Called in the second condor because it was taking ages to kill him. Never dropped below 90% shields btw. Once you have them caught there is quite literally nothing they can do about it... Maeltstome wrote: You recommended a an AB frigate to tackle a cynabal - your opinion is invalid. Anyone who has flown a Vaga/Cyna or flown against one knows they are frigate killers. An MWD to close range is the only option you have - a Cynabal will NOT land at 0 on you unless the pilot is a dribbling mess, so nothing you said holds any weight in the real world. And P.s. your tackle will turn off if you have a local repairer, if you dont have a local rep you die to his drones. The question is: How long can you hold him until that happens? With an MWD you can at least stay close to him once he tries to get range from you and his neuts go out of range. With the AB you get melted after one MWD cycle from him. QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180
God's Apples The Tuskers 25	Posted - 2012.11.01 02:06:00 - [38] - Quote Pretty much what Princess said. It's fully possible to solo a cynabal in an AB rail DD with a fed navy web. Hell, most t1 frigs will do if you get close to it.
Noisrevbus 269	Posted - 2012.11.01 02:34:00 - [39] - Quote Those are very specific examples though Princess as they involve both him warping to you and him being alone. The redundancy is low. I think it's a fair example, but it's one among many and you seem quite eager to discredit other people's advice. Obviously, anyone can do anything in this game. I've seen frigates take on multiple capitals, scored several kills on support and pressured the capitals to force escalation. It comes back to wether the question is "can do" or "reliably do" in a general scenario. It does however raise the question of what you two actually are arguing about, and what's with the attitude.
Mathrin Synthetic Solution Synthetic Systems 1	Posted - 2012.11.01 14:54:00 - [40] - Quote I've been thinking about putting together a curse to get a cynabal. Rough fit would have 3 neuts, nos, mwd, cap booster, couple TD to negate guns and a fed point. My idea is to shut him down and let drones eat him. Could also wait for friends.

Gibbo5771 AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 31	Posted - 2012.11.01 15:44:00 - [41] - Quote A Scram vaga with a nos and ECM drones. Also lol @ some of the fits in here, utter retards.
Maeltstome the unified Negative Ten. 106	Posted - 2012.11.01 16:06:00 - [42] - Quote Noisrevbus wrote: Those are very specific examples though Princess as they involve both him warping to you and him being alone. I think it's fair examples, but it's situational among many and you seem quite eager to discredit other people's advice. It raises the question of what you two actually are arguing about, and what's with the attitude. Obviously, anyone can do anything in this game. I've seen frigates take on multiple capitals, scored several kills on support and pressured the capitals to force escalation. It comes back to wether the question is "can do" or "reliably do" in a general scenario. Bingo. It's jsut buthurt responses cause they got called on a bad post. instead of correcting yourself, you start a flame based on a tunnel visioned/unrealistic/incredibly-rare scenario which makes you right. The bigger picture is more than just 1 situation.
Hatsumi Kobayashi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 215	Posted - 2012.11.01 21:31:00 - [43] - Quote Gibbo5771 wrote: A Scram vaga with a nos and ECM drones. Best suggestion ITT short of the classic tackle 'ceptor. CAUTION SNIGGS
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 768	Posted - 2012.11.02 03:10:00 - [44] - Quote Gibbo5771 wrote: A Scram vaga with a nos and ECM drones. Also lol @ some of the fits in here, utter retards. Vaga's also work well with the soon to be nerved XL-ASB. Abuse it while it lasts!


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