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Arnov Karsoth	Posted - 2005.04.01 08:58:00 - [31] im still waiting for a answer from you on my order. 2 days and no eve-mail yet i do want to buy a few sets.
Madri	Posted - 2005.04.01 09:20:00 - [32] Thats the kind of subpar service one would expect from and alt. We'll gladly handle your orders on our bookmarks if you really want them. TAINS Bookmarks -=Full Region Mapping=-
PusyGalore	Posted - 2005.04.01 09:40:00 - [33] Originally by: Arnov Karsoth im still waiting for a answer from you on my order. 2 days and no eve-mail yet i do want to buy a few sets. Apologies Arnov, we really have been snowed under with requests. We do not have the resources available that Madsi and co have, we have a couple of accounts and copying the bookmarks takes some time. Your order 'may' be able to be satisfied quicker with other BM providers, problem is you need to pay quite a hefty premium. Ive Eve Mailed you should you wish to continue with your order. Cheers, Pusy.
Yeux Gris	Posted - 2005.04.01 09:58:00 - [34] Originally by: PusyGalore Originally by: Morning Maniac I was wondering since CCP is working on a new world order, will the current bms still have their use? If the map is going to change, especially around chokepoints, where we really need those bms, will these actually be useful by the end of the year? Just wondering.... Its far from clear what will be happening in the new world order. My guess is that some of the bookmarks for the highways and entry into 0.0 may become unreliable, the vast majority (travel within the single region) will remain as reliable as they are today. As to when the new world order is going live...who knows? Anyways, good to see the responses to this thread, lets spread the BM's around and get them out of the hands of the mega millionaires! One way to solve all this would be for Madsi and co. to lower their prices so all can have a chance at owning these bookmarks, even better make them free! then charge a premium for any new regions you bookmark. Lets face it youve made plenty of ISK from them. P.S. - In response to the acusations of scamming:- 1 - These bookmarks are placed in individual escrows for each region. Buyers can check out the first region for little cost before commiting to buy the rest should they wish....they dont have to accept all the escrows at once. 2 - Im not purely into this for the ISK, I think the mega money makers have had their share of the ISK, its time to get these BM packs out there to your average joe! 3 - I'll say again, when I purchased these bookmarks I was not told they could not be sold on, if such an agreement had been made I would honour it, the fact is it wasn't. Pusy. What a load of ***** **! I have spoken to tains and they assured me that they WILL update all there regions free of charge after NWO. ANd they can charge what ever they want. they did the hard work not a two bit hoe like ya self! There is no way in hell if nowing if your bms are legit... I trust TAINS 100%. so much infact I brought every region they had. Now do some real work make your own bm's and sell them off! if anyone trust you. and i am sure we dont. Who let the cows out?! mOo. mOo. mOo.. mOo mOo...! WTB 8x 280mm Scout Howies. Will pay 20% more than Naga's current price
Sternburg Export	Posted - 2005.04.01 10:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Yeux Gris Originally by: PusyGalore Originally by: Morning Maniac I was wondering since CCP is working on a new world order, will the current bms still have their use? If the map is going to change, especially around chokepoints, where we really need those bms, will these actually be useful by the end of the year? Just wondering.... Its far from clear what will be happening in the new world order. My guess is that some of the bookmarks for the highways and entry into 0.0 may become unreliable, the vast majority (travel within the single region) will remain as reliable as they are today. As to when the new world order is going live...who knows? Anyways, good to see the responses to this thread, lets spread the BM's around and get them out of the hands of the mega millionaires! One way to solve all this would be for Madsi and co. to lower their prices so all can have a chance at owning these bookmarks, even better make them free! then charge a premium for any new regions you bookmark. Lets face it youve made plenty of ISK from them. P.S. - In response to the acusations of scamming:- 1 - These bookmarks are placed in individual escrows for each region. Buyers can check out the first region for little cost before commiting to buy the rest should they wish....they dont have to accept all the escrows at once. 2 - Im not purely into this for the ISK, I think the mega money makers have had their share of the ISK, its time to get these BM packs out there to your average joe! 3 - I'll say again, when I purchased these bookmarks I was not told they could not be sold on, if such an agreement had been made I would honour it, the fact is it wasn't. Pusy. What a load of ***** ! I have spoken to tains and they assured me that they WILL update all there regions free of charge after NWO. ANd they can charge what ever they want. they did the hard work not a two bit hoe like ya self! There is no way in hell if nowing if your bms are legit... I trust TAINS 100%. so much infact I brought every region they had. Now do some real work make your own bm's and sell them off! if anyone trust you. and i am sure we dont. amen ____________________________ [ 2005.03.31 20:53:50 ] (mining) Your Basic Miner perfectly strikes Veldspar Roid, wrecking for 20 Ore units.**
Hughesy	Posted - 2005.04.01 15:27:00 - [36] In my opinion i'm not too worried by these alts re-selling it was bound to happen sooner or later, this guy has probably made enough isk to buy himself something nice for no work. It is a bit strange when they say that they werent advised not to re-sell the reasons are as follows 1 Every customer i have sold bookmarks too i have told they can distribute freely amongst their corp members as i know that i would. Also this keeps most honest people from giving them to just anyone and stops one person fitting the whole bill. 2 Everyone is made aware not to re-sell to alliance members The previous statement shows that the person selling the bookmarks now is a liar! and that would suggest lack of morals, lack of dignity, untrustworthy etc, how would you ever know if the bookmarks he is copying are the full bundle, whether he is giving people a substandard copy. This kind of forces our hand a little we either completely stop selling bookmarks or make it more difficult for these people to buy, Our bookmarks are aimed Corp wide not really at the individual we price regions competetively due to size, overall time taken, amount of bookmarks in a set and difficulty of doing the job, The people who do resell will be found and their availability of bookmarks terminated therefore receiving no more regions. The worst thing about this guy is we are all friendly people and probably had a good conversation on friendly terms unaware of his plan to re-sell and try and put us out of business. However it is good to see support from our valued customers and we promise you our work will go on for the vast majority of you. With a promise of updates for free (Time varies with size of updates) Thanks
Larno	Posted - 2005.04.02 13:36:00 - [37] An idea for you hughesy... next region you do, wait until you have 'X' amount of preorders before you start distributing. Should help to stop scumbags like this! P.S. Interested in buying Domain, Tash, Derelik for my corp if you are making those regions soon. :D
PusyGalore	Posted - 2005.04.02 23:06:00 - [38] We will no longer be taking bookmark orders. Most current orders have been completed, any that are left will be setup within the next few days. We will however be providing these booomarks on Public Escrow. The prices will remain at 6mil per region, Regions available are: - Essence Genesis The Forge Khanid Querious Syndicate Verge Vendor Vale of the Silent Region We will try our best keep stock levels at an optimum, these prices should start appearing on Escrow in Yulai once currecnt orders have been satisfied. (3 Days or so) Cheers, Pusy
skilz	Posted - 2005.04.02 23:19:00 - [39] DONT BUY THESE. --
Disphforia	Posted - 2005.04.02 23:24:00 - [40] If someone needs the bookmark, and these are cheaper, who cares if it's someone else's work. It's like downloading mp3, it's stealing but you get to listen to the music. Same thing with the bookmark. Lack of respect? maybe, but who cares. Sue them ha ha ha.
Lagartija Nick	Posted - 2005.04.02 23:29:00 - [41] Originally by: Disphforia If someone needs the bookmark, and these are cheaper, who cares if it's someone else's work. It's like downloading mp3, it's stealing but you get to listen to the music. Same thing with the bookmark. Lack of respect? maybe, but who cares. Sue them ha ha ha. Well, your just a brilliant one aint ya? Basically, if you support this obvious alt character in their crime the people who are really doing the work here will stop. Think this idiot is going to head out and make some? Ha!
Disphforia	Posted - 2005.04.03 00:17:00 - [42] Originally by: Lagartija Nick Originally by: Disphforia If someone needs the bookmark, and these are cheaper, who cares if it's someone else's work. It's like downloading mp3, it's stealing but you get to listen to the music. Same thing with the bookmark. Lack of respect? maybe, but who cares. Sue them ha ha ha. Well, your just a brilliant one aint ya? Basically, if you support this obvious alt character in their crime the people who are really doing the work here will stop. Think this idiot is going to head out and make some? Ha! I'll have all the bookmarks by then.
Maneka Gaderu	Posted - 2005.04.03 01:02:00 - [43] Its crap like this that causes people to stop doing awesome services. TAINS has done an awesome job on their project, and it's more than a little upsetting that you think that it's alright for you to profit off of the work of others. I never really cared that people used alts for stuff before, but if you are going to hide behind it so that you may not be shamed, that is bull****. Wish CCP would make a stand on this. It's completely obvious (AND ADMITTED) that this is TAINS work here. At least name the main
Peko	Posted - 2005.04.03 01:11:00 - [44] Edited by: Peko on 03/04/2005 01:13:50 i dont give a **** - hughsey\tain did all the hard work and sold em for what 50mil a region, and this dudes selling them for 6mil a region. thats a huge reduction in price and im guna take advantage of that! aint playing this game to make friends its a dog eat dog world.... Pusy il take a copy of Genesis.
PusyGalore	Posted - 2005.04.03 01:23:00 - [45] Originally by: Maneka Gaderu Wish CCP would make a stand on this. It's completely obvious (AND ADMITTED) that this is TAINS work here. At least name the main A few facts you may not be aware of:- Firstly I did not purchase these BM's from TANIS. Did the guy I buy them off get them from TAINS? I have no idea. Are they TAINS BM's? I have no idea (Although from the response in this thread I would hazzard a guess that they are?) Have you checked Escrow lately? Non TAINS folk have been selling Region Packs for weeks now at 30m a pop, with no conditions of sale which is exactly where I purchased them from. I checked the CCP rulebook pretty carefully. The service and goods I am providing comply with the rules 100% as far as I can tell. Regards, Pusy.
Madri	Posted - 2005.04.03 01:56:00 - [46] Theres no guessing involved, they are our bookmarks. Justify it any way you want, the fact that your using an alt to hide your identity is proof enough that you know this is wrong. TAINS Bookmarks -=Full Region Mapping=-
Yeux Gris	Posted - 2005.04.03 11:09:00 - [47] sad sad sad... I know for sure i am getting the best deal off tains. Free updates when needed etc :) And being a valued customer I will get more discounts :) All u get is nadda from me. Who let the cows out?! mOo. mOo. mOo.. mOo mOo...! WTB 8x 280mm Scout Howies. Will pay 20% more than Naga's current price
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.04.03 15:17:00 - [48] Originally by: Crias Taylor Originally by: Madri Edited by: Madri on 31/03/2005 22:28:37 This would all be very different if it wasn't an alt doing it. But there is no in-game counter for this kind of action, and it's really kind of dumb. Lower your pricing and make yourself more avaibable for purchases? Its not like your BMs are not about to go out of date by the end of the year. Not sure if that's true, after a patch about a month ago I found alot of my, once perfect insta's had shifted between about 500m to 3000m from their original positions shrug
Ilmatar	Posted - 2005.04.06 00:46:00 - [49] FREEDOM! LET THESE BOOKMARKS SPREAD THROUGHOUT ALL OF EVE! GO PUSY GO! PUSY POWER! -=[ Pass me some slaves will ya ]=- -=[ Need Some Miners now dammit!]=-
Madri	Posted - 2005.04.06 01:34:00 - [50] If you really want them in the hands of everyone why don't you go do the work yourself and give them away instead of use ours and charging for them? TAINS Bookmarks -=Full Region Mapping=-
Daudur Munkur	Posted - 2005.04.06 01:49:00 - [51] Honestly, did it never cross your mind that this would happen ? Atleast 1 out of 30 players in every game is rude and doesnt give a **** about others (in game atleast). So this was only a matter of time. I convoed one from your corp to try to buy instas for one region, all my corp mates dont care really about empire and hardly go there so i couldnt get anyone to buy the instas with me so i offered him 30mil for lonetrek region and he said "only discount on package deals" or something. Was it really that hard to copy lonetrek, escrow it for 30mil and all set ? I even told him i didnt wanna go buy copies cus i liked your work :) So, i dont feel sorry for ya, really.
Madri	Posted - 2005.04.06 03:24:00 - [52] Edited by: Madri on 06/04/2005 03:24:21 Quote: Was it really that hard to copy lonetrek, escrow it for 30mil and all set? This is the easiest part of a solid bookmarking service. The hard part, and the part that your paying for, is the amount of time invested to make the pack, and then upkeep it. It's a fulltime job managing this many instas and insuring their accuracy. If you purchase from us, your purchasing updates and error corrections. You wont get that with a copy making alt and are actually not only supporting someone who is ripping off people who actually work for their ISK, but your ripping yourself off as well. TAINS Bookmarks -=Full Region Mapping=-
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.04.06 07:20:00 - [53] I see no problem with *** selling on the bookmarks. hell some people dont play this game to be nice. What I would say though is at least have the guts to post with your main ! Cant stand people hiding behind their ever recyclable alt to scam / flame etc. Typherin Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5** 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Commander Solo	Posted - 2005.04.06 08:04:00 - [54] well as a relative n00b to eve (<2 months) i thought it would be a good idea to buy the bookmarks and 6 mill seemed reasonable. So i try and start a convo with pusygalore to ask about the availability of the pack. 30 seconds later i recieve and eve-mail stating that he had added me to his block list, great service.. Dont bother with this joker, he maybe cheap, but dont do it. And to TAIN, i can respect that you put a lot of hard work into these bookmarks, but you are not doing yourself any favours with the pricing of the bookmarks. As i said ive been playing less than 2 months, the bookmarks would be of huge help to me, but i simply cant just blow 30 mill like that. Your biggest market should be the new players, who need the bookmarks, to avoid getting ganked, as we dont have the skills or experience to fight effectively. The more experienced players probably have the bms by now, if you lowered your price to say 10-15 mill per region you would open a whole new market, which should compensate for the loss of gross margin. Plus the lowering of your prices will only hurt the scummers who rip you off, reducing their margin, ensuring it isnt as profitable and making a less worthwhile business. Instead of complaining about people exploting a perfectly legal (if not moral) market, do something about it, price them OUT of the market, ensure it isnt profitable for them. Just my 2p
Captain blackadder	Posted - 2005.04.07 10:35:00 - [55] Hi, eve-mail me in game regarding purchasing/pickup of these BM's, notice my name is close to many other so check spelling is same Thank you
PusyGalore	Posted - 2005.04.07 10:48:00 - [56] Originally by: Commander Solo well as a relative n00b to eve (<2 months) i thought it would be a good idea to buy the bookmarks and 6 mill seemed reasonable. So i try and start a convo with pusygalore to ask about the availability of the pack. 30 seconds later i recieve and eve-mail stating that he had added me to his block list, great service.. Dont bother with this joker, he maybe cheap, but dont do it. And to TAIN, i can respect that you put a lot of hard work into these bookmarks, but you are not doing yourself any favours with the pricing of the bookmarks. As i said ive been playing less than 2 months, the bookmarks would be of huge help to me, but i simply cant just blow 30 mill like that. Your biggest market should be the new players, who need the bookmarks, to avoid getting ganked, as we dont have the skills or experience to fight effectively. The more experienced players probably have the bms by now, if you lowered your price to say 10-15 mill per region you would open a whole new market, which should compensate for the loss of gross margin. Plus the lowering of your prices will only hurt the scummers who rip you off, reducing their margin, ensuring it isnt as profitable and making a less worthwhile business. Instead of complaining about people exploting a perfectly legal (if not moral) market, do something about it, price them OUT of the market, ensure it isnt profitable for them. Just my 2p Commander, just which part of 'We will no longer be taking bookmark orders' do you not understand as I mentioned in the above thread?
Tristan	Posted - 2005.04.07 11:38:00 - [57] All I can say is get over it. Quit spamming the thread with all your whining, you are wasting your breath. Get a grip, you should have known your BMs were going to be resold. If not, you are nothing but fools. If you didn't want this to happen you should have never sold them, and only given them to your best of friends/corpmates. For some reason, to me, it is quite obvious that someone would resell these BMs... The eve world is full of shady happenings, noob ganking/podding, holding people up at gates, ore thievery, false escrows, and generally trying to get isk any way possible without the concern of other players. This guy is just continuing the tradition. Again, get over it, and be more careful who you sell to next time. If I buy bookmarks I want to pay whatever the lowest amount is that someone is willing to take for going through the time and effort to make copies. You are going to have to compete now that you have let your precious BMs out to anyone and everyone who wants to buy them. As far as I'm concerned this is your own fault that your BMs got into someone's hands that you didn't want them in.
Macel	Posted - 2005.04.07 12:50:00 - [58] I thought about creating BMs and selling them in the past, but decided not to for exactly this reason... Surely the people who originally created these must have taken into consideration that others would just turn around and resell them? You still made a decent profit off them didn't you?
Madri	Posted - 2005.04.07 13:41:00 - [59] Of course we thought that people would go ahead and try to resell them. However, what everyone who is purchasing off this person needs to realize is that this person will not be making any new products, so supporting them in their little "business" venture is going to do nothing for the community at all in the long run. TAINS is the only group that is making these packs. This means that if the community decides to support these alts rather then us, we will cease producing them, and your stuck with either having to do the work yourself or not have them at all. It's really that simple. Its not the reselling thats suprising, but rather the justification of the actions of this and other alts by so many people in this thread that is suprising. TAINS Bookmarks -=Full Region Mapping=-
Macel	Posted - 2005.04.07 16:14:00 - [60] Well Im sure that a lot of people would agree with you on the ethics of buying someone else's product and then going and reselling copies of it cheaper.. Including myself. I think what people are trying to argue is that there's no point in complaining about it because it was bound to happen. Im willing to wager about half the people ya sold them to are reselling them to others.. Pusygalore is just one of the bigger profile ones...

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