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PusyGalore
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Posted - 2005.03.31 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: PusyGalore on 07/04/2005 10:45:27
Edited by: PusyGalore on 31/03/2005 09:13:17
The following region insta gate to gate bookmarks are for sale: -
Essence
Genesis
The Forge
Khanid
Querious
Syndicate
Verge Vendor
Vale of the Silent Region
Each region pack contains insta bookmarks for EVERY gate to gate within a given region. Most regions contain in excess of over 600 bookmarks. The total package contains 1000's of bookmarks. These bookmarks make travel within these regions a piece of cake and cut down on a serious amount of game play.
Each region will be delivered in its own folder via Escrow in Yulai.
##THESE BOOKMARKS ARE ONLY AVAILABLE ON PUBLIC ESCROW IN YULAI - PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT ME FOR PERSONAL ORDERS##
Cheers,
Pusy.
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Princess Beefcurtains
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Posted - 2005.03.31 09:17:00 -
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 selling TAINS good work cheap with a noob alt not cool tbh. *snip*
Keep it game related (-Olympus Nemus)
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PusyGalore
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Posted - 2005.03.31 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: PusyGalore on 07/04/2005 10:45:43
This will be my only reply to the trolls who may wish to hijack this thead (and please post away, it keeps this thread in full view) 
I purchased these bookmarks with no conditions set for me selling them on. Last time I looked Eve was a capatalist system much like any other. The argument of 'stealing someone elses work' is a valid one, but if you live by that argument, and are truly not happy buying/selling other peoples work then I guess you should not purchase anything from the market, escrow or any other source ....I mean who knows that latest laser is being sold by the person that worked so hard to obtain it, who knows that tritanium you are buying was not stolen by an Ore Thief etc etc etc.
You should leave sentiment for real life, this is a game and like all of us I need ISK to enjoy my game to its full potential.
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Princess Beefcurtains
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Posted - 2005.03.31 09:35:00 -
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LOL. It's a matter of trust is all I just find it amusing how people are cowardly and lazy enough to hide behind alts and in one way or another scam those who attempt to play the game. I will say nothing more than that because you obviously know yourself that what you are doing is pretty spineless, if you didn't think this of yourself you would not have given such a long, thought out explanation for your actions  enjoy
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Aikudos En'Fellamen
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Posted - 2005.03.31 10:21:00 -
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...disgusting is my only word for it. All our buyers are told not to resell the regions, so either you're lying, or you're just a pathetic bastard.
I must stress to everyone not to buy these bookmarks, because this will just encourage him further, and no more regions will be mapped if this continues.
*Petitioned*
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Tumtiddilly
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Posted - 2005.03.31 10:24:00 -
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I agree with Princess, and seeing as this threads 1st page i'm not going to worry about the bump.
I don't have a such problem with you selling the empire bms, as anyone can go out and make them, but its the unsecure regions that i disagree with.
Why Do you think CCP actually put the gate activation to 2.5km and minimum warp 15km? Imo, bookmarks to insta jumps should be considered an expliot. Problem is we all use them, and i admit they make my life a lot easier. Selling Bms to 0.0 regions is simply increasing the difficulty in defending those regions. Shame on you.
If you are interested in buying from this character, I suggest you don't - and do the work yourself as these are most likely to be missing bms, or none of them will work.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.03.31 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Ra on 31/03/2005 10:57:15
This was bound to happen sooner or later. Perhaps a hug would make FoE feel more secure?
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Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health |
Rodge
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Posted - 2005.03.31 11:13:00 -
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Well, it's already high on page one anyway, so I'll chip in too.
You were certainly asked not to resell these for personal profit. Because of the actions of you, and other petty scumbags just like yourself, the people who make the effort to provide a very useful service don't bother mapping new areas anymore.
If anyone really wants these bookmarks, I'd encourage you to pay the extra bit and contact Hughesy or any of the other TAINS guys and get the official set.
Would you really trust getting bookmarks for 0.0 space from an alt anyway.....
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.03.31 11:18:00 -
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I'll pay 1isk for the lot, and you better deliver.
Maybe its because your an alt
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Tumtiddilly
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Posted - 2005.03.31 11:20:00 -
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Now now Shin, lets not get political :)
... but yes i think it would
*slaps MadGaz for buying off an alt...*
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Arnov Karsoth
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Posted - 2005.03.31 11:22:00 -
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im interested in all but essence and vale
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Celek
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Posted - 2005.03.31 11:30:00 -
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Oh c'mon mad, ill pay 1isk for each
Total of 8.00isk :)
Another +1.00isk for delivery =P
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Markie
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Posted - 2005.03.31 11:52:00 -
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IMHO, respect to people that make the BM and I love them for that, but, if they do it for a living then why don't they ask CCP to install a copy right or sumit?>? or have they?
If you sell something and expect people to not sell on you are foolish, why not only sell to the corps for a lot more. And name them in a special way so if they are sold on you can buy a set and then you know who to go to war with?
I will buy a set from the lowest buyer, however if there was an eliment of fade on the BM ie each time copied it was less close to gate, I would buy form the masters.
But not for me as I want a diffrent region, that said if there is a good Book mark maker around contact me for a 13 jump route that I would like makeing for the corp, if the BM are good we will have a lot more work for ya!
PS I know I can't spell so please feel free to bump this thread telling me so!
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:57:00 -
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A little off topic, but another great idea would be a corporation BM folder. where if a BM was in the folder, it was availible to everyone in the corp. You have have access levels for different ones too, such as safespots etc.
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Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health |
Tumtiddilly
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Posted - 2005.03.31 13:02:00 -
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Sort of like a Shared folder on a windows network... I like it. Might be a problem however, as sometimes when eve crashes the bms get all out of folders. This might suggest that a bookmarks' folder is client side, while the bm is server side? Just a guess...
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Archa
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Posted - 2005.03.31 15:06:00 -
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This is not a matter of reselling the bookmarks.
Sure I could resell my bookmarks to someone. That wouldnt' be a problem. As long as i sell my original blueprints and not a copy.
You are copying someone work and that is just wrong. Copying someone's work is not accepted anywhere not in real life and it should not be accepted in eve.
Pusygalore is a sad person hiding behind an alt and i regret that you are playing this game and abuse such a great service that TAINS delivered.
Not only have you ruined it for the people who worked so hard creating these bookmarks (and it took them a hell lot of time!!!!) you also ruined it for all people who wanted new regions like placid for instance.
Pusygalore you sad, sad, sad person. You took the easy way.
Only contempt is what you get.
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ashley mantis
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Posted - 2005.03.31 17:06:00 -
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ill take the whole set, thxs.
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Madri
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Posted - 2005.03.31 20:35:00 -
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In total, there is probably 6 months worth of work in the sets that are presented here by this alt. It's not the work of this alt, it's the work of the TAINS team.
Think about that before you purchase from them please. We spent 6 months of our lives making these. It goes beyond the game to steal that kind of effort, not to mention hinders our will to continue on with the project.
It's just deplorable and wrong.
TAINS Bookmarks -=Full Region Mapping=- |
Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.03.31 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Shadar Ishaan on 31/03/2005 21:09:09
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Item Trading Post
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Panzer Faust
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Posted - 2005.03.31 21:18:00 -
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Disgusting really, i hope ccp can do someting about that, stealing other's work is punished irl, so should it be irl imo.
TAINS and Hughesy 4tw
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Vernius
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Posted - 2005.03.31 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Vernius on 31/03/2005 21:42:33
Oh boohoo... like any of you naysayers have never downloaded an MP3 from the internet. You're starting to sound like the RIAA. If you want a solution, petition CCP to make Instas like BPCs, and have a maximum number of times you can use the insta before it disappears. So either the player will have to make a new insta himself for everyone of the instas he has, or will simply buy a new set, that way you guys can lower your price for them, so people (or a lot fewer of them) won't have to pirate.
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Crias Taylor
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Posted - 2005.03.31 22:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Panzer Faust
Disgusting really, i hope ccp can do someting about that, stealing other's work is punished irl, so should it be irl imo.
TAINS and Hughesy 4tw
Does CCP give you back you ship when you where ganked?
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Madri
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Posted - 2005.03.31 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: Madri on 31/03/2005 22:28:37
This would all be very different if it wasn't an alt doing it. But there is no in-game counter for this kind of action, and it's really kind of dumb.
TAINS Bookmarks -=Full Region Mapping=- |
Crias Taylor
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Posted - 2005.03.31 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Madri
Edited by: Madri on 31/03/2005 22:28:37
This would all be very different if it wasn't an alt doing it. But there is no in-game counter for this kind of action, and it's really kind of dumb.
Lower your pricing and make yourself more avaibable for purchases? Its not like your BMs are not about to go out of date by the end of the year.
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Madri
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Posted - 2005.03.31 22:40:00 -
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Experience has already taught me that even at lower prices (which I had with BROOM) that people will still resell these. ASS actually proved that to me the hard way.
TAINS Bookmarks -=Full Region Mapping=- |
Morning Maniac
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Posted - 2005.03.31 22:42:00 -
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I was wondering since CCP is working on a new world order, will the current bms still have their use? If the map is going to change, especially around chokepoints, where we really need those bms, will these actually be useful by the end of the year?
Just wondering....
MM
Channel "EVE University"
www.eve-university.cjb.net (ingame)
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Madri
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Posted - 2005.03.31 22:56:00 -
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Actually, funny you should ask, because this is where buying from this dumb alt will hurt you in the long run.
TAINS plans on revamping its already existing sets to adjust to the "new world order" where as this guy will be stuck with sets that can't be called reliable.
So there you have it. It's not that your really buying the bookmarks, its that your buying the service and support of the people that are making the sets to begin with.
TAINS Bookmarks -=Full Region Mapping=- |
Larno
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Posted - 2005.03.31 23:34:00 -
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Two words for you PusyGalore: YOU SUCK.
And buyers beware: this piece of **** doesn't have any reputation, he might scam you and there is nothing you can do about it. On the other hand if you buy from TAINS then they will obviously not be scamming you.
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PusyGalore
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Posted - 2005.03.31 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Morning Maniac
I was wondering since CCP is working on a new world order, will the current bms still have their use? If the map is going to change, especially around chokepoints, where we really need those bms, will these actually be useful by the end of the year?
Just wondering....
Its far from clear what will be happening in the new world order. My guess is that some of the bookmarks for the highways and entry into 0.0 may become unreliable, the vast majority (travel within the single region) will remain as reliable as they are today. As to when the new world order is going live...who knows? 
Anyways, good to see the responses to this thread, lets spread the BM's around and get them out of the hands of the mega millionaires!
One way to solve all this would be for Madsi and co. to lower their prices so all can have a chance at owning these bookmarks, even better make them free! then charge a premium for any new regions you bookmark. Lets face it youve made plenty of ISK from them.
P.S. - In response to the acusations of scamming:-
1 - These bookmarks are placed in individual escrows for each region. Buyers can check out the first region for little cost before commiting to buy the rest should they wish....they dont have to accept all the escrows at once.
2 - Im not purely into this for the ISK, I think the mega money makers have had their share of the ISK, its time to get these BM packs out there to your average joe!
3 - I'll say again, when I purchased these bookmarks I was not told they could not be sold on, if such an agreement had been made I would honour it, the fact is it wasn't. 
Pusy.
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Namarus
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Posted - 2005.04.01 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: PusyGalore
3 - I'll say again, when I purchased these bookmarks I was not told they could not be sold on, if such an agreement had been made I would honour it, the fact is it wasn't.
Pusy.
Fact is your a scumbag.
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Arnov Karsoth
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:58:00 -
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im still waiting for a answer from you on my order.
2 days and no eve-mail yet
i do want to buy a few sets.
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Madri
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Posted - 2005.04.01 09:20:00 -
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 Thats the kind of subpar service one would expect from and alt.
We'll gladly handle your orders on our bookmarks if you really want them.
TAINS Bookmarks -=Full Region Mapping=- |
PusyGalore
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Posted - 2005.04.01 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Arnov Karsoth
im still waiting for a answer from you on my order.
2 days and no eve-mail yet
i do want to buy a few sets.
Apologies Arnov, we really have been snowed under with requests. We do not have the resources available that Madsi and co have, we have a couple of accounts and copying the bookmarks takes some time.
Your order 'may' be able to be satisfied quicker with other BM providers, problem is you need to pay quite a hefty premium.
Ive Eve Mailed you should you wish to continue with your order.
Cheers,
Pusy.
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Yeux Gris
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Posted - 2005.04.01 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: PusyGalore
Originally by: Morning Maniac
I was wondering since CCP is working on a new world order, will the current bms still have their use? If the map is going to change, especially around chokepoints, where we really need those bms, will these actually be useful by the end of the year?
Just wondering....
Its far from clear what will be happening in the new world order. My guess is that some of the bookmarks for the highways and entry into 0.0 may become unreliable, the vast majority (travel within the single region) will remain as reliable as they are today. As to when the new world order is going live...who knows?
Anyways, good to see the responses to this thread, lets spread the BM's around and get them out of the hands of the mega millionaires!
One way to solve all this would be for Madsi and co. to lower their prices so all can have a chance at owning these bookmarks, even better make them free! then charge a premium for any new regions you bookmark. Lets face it youve made plenty of ISK from them.
P.S. - In response to the acusations of scamming:-
1 - These bookmarks are placed in individual escrows for each region. Buyers can check out the first region for little cost before commiting to buy the rest should they wish....they dont have to accept all the escrows at once.
2 - Im not purely into this for the ISK, I think the mega money makers have had their share of the ISK, its time to get these BM packs out there to your average joe!
3 - I'll say again, when I purchased these bookmarks I was not told they could not be sold on, if such an agreement had been made I would honour it, the fact is it wasn't.
Pusy.
What a load of ******* ****!
I have spoken to tains and they assured me that they WILL update all there regions free of charge after NWO.
ANd they can charge what ever they want. they did the hard work not a two bit hoe like ya self!
There is no way in hell if nowing if your bms are legit...
I trust TAINS 100%. so much infact I brought every region they had.
Now do some real work make your own bm's and sell them off! if anyone trust you. and i am sure we dont.
Who let the cows out?! mOo. mOo. mOo.. mOo mOo...!
WTB 8x 280mm Scout Howies. Will pay 20% more than Naga's current price |
Sternburg Export
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Posted - 2005.04.01 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Yeux Gris
Originally by: PusyGalore
Originally by: Morning Maniac
I was wondering since CCP is working on a new world order, will the current bms still have their use? If the map is going to change, especially around chokepoints, where we really need those bms, will these actually be useful by the end of the year?
Just wondering....
Its far from clear what will be happening in the new world order. My guess is that some of the bookmarks for the highways and entry into 0.0 may become unreliable, the vast majority (travel within the single region) will remain as reliable as they are today. As to when the new world order is going live...who knows?
Anyways, good to see the responses to this thread, lets spread the BM's around and get them out of the hands of the mega millionaires!
One way to solve all this would be for Madsi and co. to lower their prices so all can have a chance at owning these bookmarks, even better make them free! then charge a premium for any new regions you bookmark. Lets face it youve made plenty of ISK from them.
P.S. - In response to the acusations of scamming:-
1 - These bookmarks are placed in individual escrows for each region. Buyers can check out the first region for little cost before commiting to buy the rest should they wish....they dont have to accept all the escrows at once.
2 - Im not purely into this for the ISK, I think the mega money makers have had their share of the ISK, its time to get these BM packs out there to your average joe!
3 - I'll say again, when I purchased these bookmarks I was not told they could not be sold on, if such an agreement had been made I would honour it, the fact is it wasn't.
Pusy.
What a load of ******* ****!
I have spoken to tains and they assured me that they WILL update all there regions free of charge after NWO.
ANd they can charge what ever they want. they did the hard work not a two bit hoe like ya self!
There is no way in hell if nowing if your bms are legit...
I trust TAINS 100%. so much infact I brought every region they had.
Now do some real work make your own bm's and sell them off! if anyone trust you. and i am sure we dont.
amen
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Hughesy
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Posted - 2005.04.01 15:27:00 -
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In my opinion i'm not too worried by these alts re-selling it was bound to happen sooner or later, this guy has probably made enough isk to buy himself something nice for no work.
It is a bit strange when they say that they werent advised not to re-sell the reasons are as follows
1 Every customer i have sold bookmarks too i have told they can distribute freely amongst their corp members as i know that i would. Also this keeps most honest people from giving them to just anyone and stops one person fitting the whole bill.
2 Everyone is made aware not to re-sell to alliance members The previous statement shows that the person selling the bookmarks now is a liar! and that would suggest lack of morals, lack of dignity, untrustworthy etc, how would you ever know if the bookmarks he is copying are the full bundle, whether he is giving people a substandard copy.
This kind of forces our hand a little we either completely stop selling bookmarks or make it more difficult for these people to buy, Our bookmarks are aimed Corp wide not really at the individual we price regions competetively due to size, overall time taken, amount of bookmarks in a set and difficulty of doing the job, The people who do resell will be found and their availability of bookmarks terminated therefore receiving no more regions.
The worst thing about this guy is we are all friendly people and probably had a good conversation on friendly terms unaware of his plan to re-sell and try and put us out of business.
However it is good to see support from our valued customers and we promise you our work will go on for the vast majority of you. With a promise of updates for free (Time varies with size of updates)
Thanks
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Larno
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Posted - 2005.04.02 13:36:00 -
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An idea for you hughesy... next region you do, wait until you have 'X' amount of preorders before you start distributing. Should help to stop scumbags like this! P.S. Interested in buying Domain, Tash, Derelik for my corp if you are making those regions soon. :D
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PusyGalore
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Posted - 2005.04.02 23:06:00 -
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We will no longer be taking bookmark orders. Most current orders have been completed, any that are left will be setup within the next few days.
We will however be providing these booomarks on Public Escrow. The prices will remain at 6mil per region, Regions available are: -
Essence
Genesis
The Forge
Khanid
Querious
Syndicate
Verge Vendor
Vale of the Silent Region
We will try our best keep stock levels at an optimum, these prices should start appearing on Escrow in Yulai once currecnt orders have been satisfied. (3 Days or so)
Cheers,
Pusy
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skilz
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Posted - 2005.04.02 23:19:00 -
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DONT BUY THESE.
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Disphforia
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Posted - 2005.04.02 23:24:00 -
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If someone needs the bookmark, and these are cheaper, who cares if it's someone else's work. It's like downloading mp3, it's stealing but you get to listen to the music. Same thing with the bookmark.
Lack of respect? maybe, but who cares. Sue them ha ha ha. 
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Lagartija Nick
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Posted - 2005.04.02 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Disphforia
If someone needs the bookmark, and these are cheaper, who cares if it's someone else's work. It's like downloading mp3, it's stealing but you get to listen to the music. Same thing with the bookmark.
Lack of respect? maybe, but who cares. Sue them ha ha ha.
Well, your just a brilliant one aint ya? Basically, if you support this obvious alt character in their crime the people who are really doing the work here will stop. Think this idiot is going to head out and make some? Ha!
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Disphforia
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Posted - 2005.04.03 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lagartija Nick
Originally by: Disphforia
If someone needs the bookmark, and these are cheaper, who cares if it's someone else's work. It's like downloading mp3, it's stealing but you get to listen to the music. Same thing with the bookmark.
Lack of respect? maybe, but who cares. Sue them ha ha ha.
Well, your just a brilliant one aint ya? Basically, if you support this obvious alt character in their crime the people who are really doing the work here will stop. Think this idiot is going to head out and make some? Ha!
I'll have all the bookmarks by then.
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Maneka Gaderu
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Posted - 2005.04.03 01:02:00 -
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Its crap like this that causes people to stop doing awesome services. TAINS has done an awesome job on their project, and it's more than a little upsetting that you think that it's alright for you to profit off of the work of others.
I never really cared that people used alts for stuff before, but if you are going to hide behind it so that you may not be shamed, that is bull****.
Wish CCP would make a stand on this. It's completely obvious (AND ADMITTED) that this is TAINS work here. At least name the main |
Peko
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Posted - 2005.04.03 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: Peko on 03/04/2005 01:13:50
i dont give a **** - hughsey\tain did all the hard work and sold em for what 50mil a region, and this dudes selling them for 6mil a region.
thats a huge reduction in price and im guna take advantage of that!
aint playing this game to make friends
its a dog eat dog world....
Pusy il take a copy of Genesis. 
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PusyGalore
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Posted - 2005.04.03 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Maneka Gaderu
Wish CCP would make a stand on this. It's completely obvious (AND ADMITTED) that this is TAINS work here. At least name the main
A few facts you may not be aware of:-
Firstly I did not purchase these BM's from TANIS.
Did the guy I buy them off get them from TAINS?
I have no idea.
Are they TAINS BM's?
I have no idea (Although from the response in this thread I would hazzard a guess that they are?)
Have you checked Escrow lately?
Non TAINS folk have been selling Region Packs for weeks now at 30m a pop, with no conditions of sale which is exactly where I purchased them from.
I checked the CCP rulebook pretty carefully. The service and goods I am providing comply with the rules 100% as far as I can tell.
Regards,
Pusy.
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Madri
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Posted - 2005.04.03 01:56:00 -
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Theres no guessing involved, they are our bookmarks.
Justify it any way you want, the fact that your using an alt to hide your identity is proof enough that you know this is wrong.
TAINS Bookmarks -=Full Region Mapping=- |
Yeux Gris
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Posted - 2005.04.03 11:09:00 -
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sad sad sad...
I know for sure i am getting the best deal off tains.
Free updates when needed etc :)
And being a valued customer I will get more discounts :)
All u get is nadda from me.
Who let the cows out?! mOo. mOo. mOo.. mOo mOo...!
WTB 8x 280mm Scout Howies. Will pay 20% more than Naga's current price |
Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.04.03 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Crias Taylor
Originally by: Madri
Edited by: Madri on 31/03/2005 22:28:37
This would all be very different if it wasn't an alt doing it. But there is no in-game counter for this kind of action, and it's really kind of dumb.
Lower your pricing and make yourself more avaibable for purchases? Its not like your BMs are not about to go out of date by the end of the year.
Not sure if that's true, after a patch about a month ago I found alot of my, once perfect insta's had shifted between about 500m to 3000m from their original positions
*shrug*
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Ilmatar
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Posted - 2005.04.06 00:46:00 -
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FREEDOM! LET THESE BOOKMARKS SPREAD THROUGHOUT ALL OF EVE!
GO PUSY GO!
PUSY POWER!
-=[ Pass me some slaves will ya ]=-
-=[ Need Some Miners now dammit!]=- |
Madri
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Posted - 2005.04.06 01:34:00 -
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If you really want them in the hands of everyone why don't you go do the work yourself and give them away instead of use ours and charging for them?
TAINS Bookmarks -=Full Region Mapping=- |
Daudur Munkur
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Posted - 2005.04.06 01:49:00 -
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Honestly, did it never cross your mind that this would happen ? Atleast 1 out of 30 players in every game is rude and doesnt give a **** about others (in game atleast). So this was only a matter of time. I convoed one from your corp to try to buy instas for one region, all my corp mates dont care really about empire and hardly go there so i couldnt get anyone to buy the instas with me so i offered him 30mil for lonetrek region and he said "only discount on package deals" or something. Was it really that hard to copy lonetrek, escrow it for 30mil and all set ?
I even told him i didnt wanna go buy copies cus i liked your work :)
So, i dont feel sorry for ya, really.
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Madri
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Posted - 2005.04.06 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: Madri on 06/04/2005 03:24:21
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Was it really that hard to copy lonetrek, escrow it for 30mil and all set?
This is the easiest part of a solid bookmarking service. The hard part, and the part that your paying for, is the amount of time invested to make the pack, and then upkeep it.
It's a fulltime job managing this many instas and insuring their accuracy. If you purchase from us, your purchasing updates and error corrections.
You wont get that with a copy making alt and are actually not only supporting someone who is ripping off people who actually work for their ISK, but your ripping yourself off as well.
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.04.06 07:20:00 -
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I see no problem with ***** selling on the bookmarks.
hell some people dont play this game to be nice.
What I would say though is at least have the guts to post with your main ! Cant stand people hiding behind their ever recyclable alt to scam / flame etc.
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Commander Solo
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Posted - 2005.04.06 08:04:00 -
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well as a relative n00b to eve (<2 months) i thought it would be a good idea to buy the bookmarks and 6 mill seemed reasonable. So i try and start a convo with pusygalore to ask about the availability of the pack. 30 seconds later i recieve and eve-mail stating that he had added me to his block list, great service.. Dont bother with this joker, he maybe cheap, but dont do it.
And to TAIN, i can respect that you put a lot of hard work into these bookmarks, but you are not doing yourself any favours with the pricing of the bookmarks. As i said ive been playing less than 2 months, the bookmarks would be of huge help to me, but i simply cant just blow 30 mill like that.
Your biggest market should be the new players, who need the bookmarks, to avoid getting ganked, as we dont have the skills or experience to fight effectively. The more experienced players probably have the bms by now, if you lowered your price to say 10-15 mill per region you would open a whole new market, which should compensate for the loss of gross margin. Plus the lowering of your prices will only hurt the scummers who rip you off, reducing their margin, ensuring it isnt as profitable and making a less worthwhile business.
Instead of complaining about people exploting a perfectly legal (if not moral) market, do something about it, price them OUT of the market, ensure it isnt profitable for them.
Just my 2p
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Captain blackadder
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Posted - 2005.04.07 10:35:00 -
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Hi,
eve-mail me in game regarding purchasing/pickup of these BM's, notice my name is close to many other so check spelling is same
Thank you
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PusyGalore
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Posted - 2005.04.07 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Solo
well as a relative n00b to eve (<2 months) i thought it would be a good idea to buy the bookmarks and 6 mill seemed reasonable. So i try and start a convo with pusygalore to ask about the availability of the pack. 30 seconds later i recieve and eve-mail stating that he had added me to his block list, great service.. Dont bother with this joker, he maybe cheap, but dont do it.
And to TAIN, i can respect that you put a lot of hard work into these bookmarks, but you are not doing yourself any favours with the pricing of the bookmarks. As i said ive been playing less than 2 months, the bookmarks would be of huge help to me, but i simply cant just blow 30 mill like that.
Your biggest market should be the new players, who need the bookmarks, to avoid getting ganked, as we dont have the skills or experience to fight effectively. The more experienced players probably have the bms by now, if you lowered your price to say 10-15 mill per region you would open a whole new market, which should compensate for the loss of gross margin. Plus the lowering of your prices will only hurt the scummers who rip you off, reducing their margin, ensuring it isnt as profitable and making a less worthwhile business.
Instead of complaining about people exploting a perfectly legal (if not moral) market, do something about it, price them OUT of the market, ensure it isnt profitable for them.
Just my 2p
Commander, just which part of 'We will no longer be taking bookmark orders' do you not understand as I mentioned in the above thread?
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Tristan
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Posted - 2005.04.07 11:38:00 -
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All I can say is get over it. Quit spamming the thread with all your whining, you are wasting your breath. Get a grip, you should have known your BMs were going to be resold. If not, you are nothing but fools. If you didn't want this to happen you should have never sold them, and only given them to your best of friends/corpmates. For some reason, to me, it is quite obvious that someone would resell these BMs... The eve world is full of shady happenings, noob ganking/podding, holding people up at gates, ore thievery, false escrows, and generally trying to get isk any way possible without the concern of other players. This guy is just continuing the tradition. Again, get over it, and be more careful who you sell to next time.
If I buy bookmarks I want to pay whatever the lowest amount is that someone is willing to take for going through the time and effort to make copies. You are going to have to compete now that you have let your precious BMs out to anyone and everyone who wants to buy them. As far as I'm concerned this is your own fault that your BMs got into someone's hands that you didn't want them in.
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Macel
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Posted - 2005.04.07 12:50:00 -
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I thought about creating BMs and selling them in the past, but decided not to for exactly this reason... Surely the people who originally created these must have taken into consideration that others would just turn around and resell them? You still made a decent profit off them didn't you?
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Madri
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Posted - 2005.04.07 13:41:00 -
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Of course we thought that people would go ahead and try to resell them.
However, what everyone who is purchasing off this person needs to realize is that this person will not be making any new products, so supporting them in their little "business" venture is going to do nothing for the community at all in the long run.
TAINS is the only group that is making these packs. This means that if the community decides to support these alts rather then us, we will cease producing them, and your stuck with either having to do the work yourself or not have them at all. It's really that simple.
Its not the reselling thats suprising, but rather the justification of the actions of this and other alts by so many people in this thread that is suprising.
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Macel
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Posted - 2005.04.07 16:14:00 -
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Well Im sure that a lot of people would agree with you on the ethics of buying someone else's product and then going and reselling copies of it cheaper.. Including myself.
I think what people are trying to argue is that there's no point in complaining about it because it was bound to happen. Im willing to wager about half the people ya sold them to are reselling them to others.. Pusygalore is just one of the bigger profile ones...
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