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Morke
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Posted - 2005.03.31 16:08:00 -
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Hello
A friend of mine was recently killed.
He could not escape because he was warp scrambled.
I have seen through items and found warp scramblers
with strength 3, but only stabilizers with strength 1.
First of all, I find this unfair and sent a petition.
Secondly, I would like to know what I have to assume
from a pk? How large might his warp scramble strength
likely be?
If I have just one stabilizer and he has strength 3
i'm done for anyway. But if I fit too many i'm
out of low slots.
How would you prepare for such pk tactics?
Thanx in advance
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.03.31 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 31/03/2005 16:27:37
Don't worry, the fix is in the next patch.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.03.31 16:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 31/03/2005 16:27:37
Don't worry, the fix is in the next patch.
If you're refering to the propulsion jamming chances, they were (thankfully) canned.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.03.31 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 31/03/2005 16:33:54
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 31/03/2005 16:27:37
Don't worry, the fix is in the next patch.
If you're refering to the propulsion jamming chances, they were (thankfully) canned.
 So worry on.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.03.31 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Bad''Boy on 31/03/2005 16:35:42
Edited by: Bad''Boy on 31/03/2005 16:35:26
Originally by: Morke
I find this unfair and sent a petition.
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Shamad Conde
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Posted - 2005.03.31 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Morke
Hello
A friend of mine was recently killed.
He could not escape because he was warp scrambled.
I have seen through items and found warp scramblers
with strength 3, but only stabilizers with strength 1.
First of all, I find this unfair and sent a petition.
Secondly, I would like to know what I have to assume
from a pk? How large might his warp scramble strength
likely be?
If I have just one stabilizer and he has strength 3
i'm done for anyway. But if I fit too many i'm
out of low slots.
How would you prepare for such pk tactics?
Thanx in advance
The warp scrambling range depends on the module one uses to prevent another from warping away. You can see the range in the module details section.
To counter someone warp scrambling, you would try:
1: Kill him.
2: Disable his ship.
3. Fit warp core stabilizers.
I am not exactly sure what you found unfair in this situation that lead you to petition the loss of the ship?
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Soren
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Posted - 2005.03.31 16:38:00 -
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Eve is a game where you stay out of bad situations.. and if you get in them, then your either set-up to run (lows of wcs) or set-up to fight (no wcs).
How can you expect to have every chance to run with +3 wcs while still having perfect fighting abilites, it's a trade off..
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.03.31 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 31/03/2005 16:27:37
Don't worry, the fix is in the next patch.
If you're refering to the propulsion jamming chances, they were (thankfully) canned.
WTF?! Is CCP turning this to another counter-strike online fest?! Goddamit! Why every patch has to help pvp gate camper *****s and not those who wants to play this game on their own pace and peace?! 
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.03.31 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 31/03/2005 16:27:37
Don't worry, the fix is in the next patch.
If you're refering to the propulsion jamming chances, they were (thankfully) canned.
WTF?! Is CCP turning this to another counter-strike online fest?! Goddamit! Why every patch has to help pvp gate camper *****s and not those who wants to play this game on their own pace and peace?!
cry me a river?
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.03.31 16:57:00 -
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To the original poster:
EVE is a non-consentual PvP game that allows for real-world mentality to permeate an online roleplaying atmosphere. That said, you are always at risk, though sometimes at much less risk than others.
Your petition won't get you anywhere, because the Devs intentionally designed WCS to only cover 1 point at a time. Otherwise the PvP would be 100% consentual and we'd be playing FFXI in space.
Now, obviously you aren't the type to go on a murdering spree when you get ganked, or even send a message to the ganker and congratulate them on a good kill. You're wanting to stay out of combat until you're damn good and ready.
THe only real way is to stay in 1.0 at all times. That's what it was designed to be. If you insist on leaving safe space, here's how the WCS actually work
There are two primary types of Warp Scrambler. The first, the Warp Disruptor, is lowest strength, but longest range: It scrambles for 1 point and operates at 20km. The second is only effective around 7.5km, but gets 2 "scramble points". This second one is the most common on Frigates and called a Warp Scrambler.
There are tech2s or named hardware that scrambles for 3 at the short range, but that's just a rumor to my knowledge.
A cruiser or BS will likely have one or two Warp Disruptors fitted. This is because the slower ships are easy to get away from before you get within 7.5km of them. This gives them a scramble score of 2, and likely they won't have MWDs. If you see one using MWDs to get to you, it's probably using a single Warp Scrambler so you're still looking at a score of 2.
A frigate will be a mean lil bastard. It will usually fit one warp scrambler and one warp disruptor, or two scramblers, or a scrambler an a target jammer. Some may also carry stasis webs. The strength of the frigate is its speed: it can be easier to pirate in a frigate than in a BS in some situations, and is much lower risk. If the pirate is an interceptor, expect a warp disruptor and a scrambler because people like to deck these with weapons and MWDs.
You'll notice that the common denominator is that the enemy has a warp scram score of 2 in most situations, and indeed these are the most common. Fitting one WCS is a waste of a WCS, because 90% of people trying to scramble you will either use one 2 point module or two 1 point modules, and each WCS has a score of only 1. If someone with a score of two tries to scramble you and you have TWO WCS, that means the scramble score is 0, so you get away.
Moral of the story: fit two WCS and run, or fit to the gills with tank and weapon mods and fight back. If they've got a scramble of 4, you're going to be screwed no matter what you do, because there just aren't enough low slots on most craft to accomidate. If in an indie, have at least two WCS, plus one for every slot not packed with a cargo expander.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.03.31 17:00:00 -
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Notice how only alts whine about this.
Next thing we know we'll have +10 warp core stabs because of all the carebear miners whining that they cant mine in 0.0 by themselfes.
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2005.03.31 17:09:00 -
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There is a ganker crying because you can use more then one WCS at a time and wants them nerfed in "General Disscussion" So whats the big deal..???
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.03.31 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Notice how only alts whine about this.
Next thing we know we'll have +10 warp core stabs because of all the carebear miners whining that they cant mine in 0.0 by themselfes.
Indeed! I hate alt pie-rats who whines about carebears having it too easy because they cannot kill 'em while they are docked
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.03.31 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
WTF?! Is CCP turning this to another counter-strike online fest?! Goddamit! Why every patch has to help pvp gate camper *****s and not those who wants to play this game on their own pace and peace?!
buhu2u?
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.03.31 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
buhu2u?
Want a cup of stfu? :D
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.03.31 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: MadGaz
Notice how only alts whine about this.
Next thing we know we'll have +10 warp core stabs because of all the carebear miners whining that they cant mine in 0.0 by themselfes.
Indeed! I hate alt pie-rats who whines about carebears having it too easy because they cannot kill 'em while they are docked
Stop whining for goodness sake, you've got lvl4 agents in 1.0 where you can happily spend your whole game time by yourself.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.03.31 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Stop whining for goodness sake, you've got lvl4 agents in 1.0 where you can happily spend your whole game time by yourself.
Ermh, I do lvl4's in 0.3
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.03.31 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: MadGaz
Stop whining for goodness sake, you've got lvl4 agents in 1.0 where you can happily spend your whole game time by yourself.
Ermh, I do lvl4's in 0.3
Then why are you in here??? Nobody with half a clue needs to use wcs in 0.4-0.1
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.03.31 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove
There are tech2s or named hardware that scrambles for 3 at the short range, but that's just a rumor to my knowledge.
There is an officer drops that do 3 scramble and 24.8K range. I believe Nik from DNA has one that he likes to use on his Armargeddeon.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.03.31 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
There is an officer drops that do 3 scramble and 24.8K range. I believe Nik from DNA has one that he likes to use on his Armargeddeon.
They use so much grid and cap that they might as well be called amarr-only scramblers.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.03.31 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot
There is a ganker crying because you can use more then one WCS at a time and wants them nerfed in "General Disscussion" So whats the big deal..???
A good ganker doesn't even need a scrambler :) He put enough surprise into his attack coupled with enough damage on target to do the job before they can warp 
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.03.31 19:49:00 -
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Is the OP for real? I think he's just having a laugh at everyone who's stupid enough to take his post seriously.
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2005.03.31 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Is the OP for real? I think he's just having a laugh at everyone who's stupid enough to take his post seriously.
I'd just post a "/signed", but after a few of those I'm dangerously close to a banning (or so I understand).
Therefore...
/signed 
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Mr Jay
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Posted - 2005.03.31 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
buhu2u?
Want a cup of stfu? :D
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2005.04.01 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 31/03/2005 16:27:37
Don't worry, the fix is in the next patch.
If you're refering to the propulsion jamming chances, they were (thankfully) canned.
WTF?! Is CCP turning this to another counter-strike online fest?! Goddamit! Why every patch has to help pvp gate camper *****s and not those who wants to play this game on their own pace and peace?!
wot the hell u on... how do ccp favor the pvp gate gankers they killed the dual mwd ravens or dual mwd cruisers then they gave u guys pos... if anything the favortism is the other way thank god the propulsion changes were dropped it was rediculasly bad to have to need 4 warp disrutptors to have someone eheld down and still need to be in ganka ships before he warps.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn666
wot the hell u on... how do ccp favor the pvp gate gankers they killed the dual mwd ravens or dual mwd cruisers then they gave u guys pos... if anything the favortism is the other way thank god the propulsion changes were dropped it was rediculasly bad to have to need 4 warp disrutptors to have someone eheld down and still need to be in ganka ships before he warps.
What the .. you say that only carebears can use POS because you pie-rats don't have skills for it?! Yeah right. How about you go back to live under your troll-bridge where you came from!
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Retri' Bution
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:40:00 -
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Edited by: Retri'' Bution on 01/04/2005 08:46:37
<--- ALT KILLAHS FTW! I feel like ganking you
I have more skills than you know
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Maule
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Hellspawn666
wot the hell u on... how do ccp favor the pvp gate gankers they killed the dual mwd ravens or dual mwd cruisers then they gave u guys pos... if anything the favortism is the other way thank god the propulsion changes were dropped it was rediculasly bad to have to need 4 warp disrutptors to have someone eheld down and still need to be in ganka ships before he warps.
What the .. you say that only carebears can use POS because you pie-rats don't have skills for it?! Yeah right. How about you go back to live under your troll-bridge where you came from!
pvp¦ers dont need or mostly dont want them becurse it require alot of ice mining.
Carebears mine anyway so they use them as a "safespot". just go look up in fade and deklein. Its pos city up there. every system have 1 or 2 pos¦ses, And evertime you enter local they will run like cattle to the pos¦s forcefield.
Its lame and need to be dealt whit...
oh and btw. he didn¦t say anything about skills so what are you on about ?
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Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.04.01 09:02:00 -
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Why do you think that PvP'ers don't have many skills ???
Most that I know and that I fly alongside have in excess of 10 million SP each, and CAN MINE if they really get depressed or something...
Wanna come to a 0.4 system ? :)
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.04.01 09:07:00 -
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Whoa, ain't you people touchy today. I don't see anything wrong to have opposite ideas here and I love to poke ant's nest with sticks. Anyway, all I say that why don't pirates use POS'es too? Personally I don't have anything against honest pirates that goes along and lurks in asteroid fields but gatecampers and blobbers and whiners (those who whines that CCP should remove agents and carebears) I really have problem with.
If you cannot state anything wise to posts, don't just say "I WILL GANK j00 ALT!!!!11" or similar, whatever you pie-rats speak.
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Kelene
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Posted - 2005.04.01 09:09:00 -
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I want whatever ceptor Corvus Dove is talking about that can use a disruptor, scrambler and mwd at the same time while firing guns! you definatly cant do it with the malediction thats for sure.
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Morke
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Posted - 2005.04.01 11:33:00 -
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Hi again.
@Corvus Dove:
I am well aware that I am always at risk in Eve, and i'm ok with that.
I agree that if I want to be really save i have to stay in 1.0 (or for the sake of pk's, above 0.4 i guess).
But if I go further I want to prepare myself for what's out there, because I won't give my
hard-earned ship away too easily. I guess you do that too.
Some wondered about my petition..
What I petitioned for is balance, not security or a change of the way the game runs.
I found that as it is now gives the bad guys (pk's) more of the cake then the good guys.
At least that's how it looks to me currently. You can convince me otherwise with good arguments.
I heared of that patch but could not yet find out the details of how it is now (calculactions and rules) and how it is going to be then.
Can you give me a link for details on this?
Thanx
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2005.04.01 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 31/03/2005 16:27:37
Don't worry, the fix is in the next patch.
If you're refering to the propulsion jamming chances, they were (thankfully) canned.
WTF?! Is CCP turning this to another counter-strike online fest?! Goddamit! Why every patch has to help pvp gate camper *****s and not those who wants to play this game on their own pace and peace?!
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.04.01 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Baconjoe
You know nothing of eve. Go play WOW
 Wow ... I tried that and found it was carebear game. No thanks!
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.04.01 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Morke
Hi again.
@Corvus Dove:
I am well aware that I am always at risk in Eve, and i'm ok with that.
I agree that if I want to be really save i have to stay in 1.0 (or for the sake of pk's, above 0.4 i guess).
But if I go further I want to prepare myself for what's out there, because I won't give my
hard-earned ship away too easily. I guess you do that too.
Some wondered about my petition..
What I petitioned for is balance, not security or a change of the way the game runs.
I found that as it is now gives the bad guys (pk's) more of the cake then the good guys.
At least that's how it looks to me currently. You can convince me otherwise with good arguments.
I heared of that patch but could not yet find out the details of how it is now (calculactions and rules) and how it is going to be then.
Can you give me a link for details on this?
Thanx
On that ceptor, MWD to the target, turn it off, and coast past your target in an oblique line. It'll give you some of the MWD speed while providing the cap to fire the scrams. Then drop one scram and keep using the other; you can kick the MWD back on then: as long as your other, lower cap scram is running your enemy will likely give up even trying to warp because he's too busy screaming for help in his corp chan. I've seen it work.
As for balance, I'd say it's fair the way it is, and if anything the fitting requirements for the scram should be nerfed lower to allow you to fit as many scrams as your enemy can comfortably fit WCS.
Here's the balance: 1 warp dis = 1 wcs. 1 warp scram = 2 wcs, etc. The pirates are about as happy giving up midslots for tanking or MWD to fit the scrams as you are giving up expander space for the WCS. This is one of those cases that the best sign a module has reached balance is that both sides are *****ing about the same about it.
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