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ALTNAME
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Posted - 2005.04.01 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: ALTNAME on 01/04/2005 08:06:19 Edited by: ALTNAME on 01/04/2005 08:05:38 Jeez I just cant wait until these are in game(not)
20 Sensor strength(same and higher than some battleships)
Low sig radius
When the cruise changes go through ta da! you have a ship that can do full cruise missile damage against a bs, Wheras the battleships damage is reduced sometimes to 10%. LMAO. DPS calculation time.
So they have no hit points, you dont need them, 70 km targeting range, sinces its 'not fair' frigs can be hit by large weapons, and missile damage from bs versus frigs will be screwed.
I just know what direction this game is headed
No matter how much you try ccp, im not getting into a little ship. It completely ruins any semblance of realism.
Ok I will post one of the stats since it seems only 50 of 20,000 actually use test center
Amarr Purifier(Inquisitor) 19.65% reduction in cruise launcher powergrid needs/level +10% reduction in small energy weapon cap usage/level 5% bonus to missile em damage, 25% velocity while cloaked/level
s- 275 a- 275 s- 150
Armor Resists- 60 0 35 35 Shield Resists- 0 70 48 20
Capacitor- 250 Targeting Range-60km Scan Resolution- 450 Sig Rad- 45 Sensor Strength- 17 Velocity- 215 Mass- 2800 Kg
Skills Required- Frigate V, Electronics Upgrades V, Covert Ops I
The bomber stats are virtually identical, however, as the only Bomber with 3 missile slots, the Caldari Manticore is the winner over the Gallente Nemesis, Or Minmatar Hound(lol)
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2005.04.01 07:54:00 -
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Aahhahahahahahaahaha cry me a river.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:00:00 -
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ô20 Sensor strength(same and higher than some battleships)ö ItÆs a Covert Op ship it should be hard to lock and jam. ItÆs built around stealth. Which normally covers Anti EW systems being inbuilt just like in real life.
ôLow sig radius, high resistsö DonÆt you think itÆs odd for a Stealth Ship to have a high Sig Radius? I donÆt agree on high resists they are hardly better then the basic frigate the ship is based on and some of the worst out of T2 frigates. Basically they had there resistance bumped up by 10 to 15% here and there while having there shield and amour hitpoints lowered.
Pretty much you shoot at a Large ship and its Drones automatically shoot back and kill you unless you run. Missile ships without drones also will find them easy to kill. The key is to not let your self get locked and to run when you do. If your close smart bombs would also pretty much kill you in 1 volley.
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ALTNAME
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:07:00 -
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Yah the resists arent that high, still wont hit them, lol
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Kathulu
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kathulu on 01/04/2005 08:17:38
Quote: Hmm I look for these on the test server did they already take em off
NM I found em
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:15:00 -
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Easy fix: don't fly your BS alone. 
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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ALTNAME
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:16:00 -
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So you are saying your strategy for future inty vs bs warfare is use drones or run
hahaha
well thats a good one, your lucky and rather perceptive too, cuz that is ccps suggestion also.
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ALTNAME
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:17:00 -
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Dont fly your intys in groups under 10
10 equals battleship cost
Then it will be fair
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Vicious Vic
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: ALTNAME Edited by: ALTNAME on 01/04/2005 08:06:19 Edited by: ALTNAME on 01/04/2005 08:05:38 Jeez I just cant wait until these are in game(not)
20 Sensor strength(same and higher than some battleships)
Low sig radius
When the cruise changes go through ta da! you have a ship that can do full cruise missile damage against a bs, Wheras the battleships damage is reduced sometimes to 10%. LMAO. DPS calculation time.
So they have no hit points, you dont need them, 70 km targeting range, sinces its 'not fair' frigs can be hit by large weapons, and missile damage from bs versus frigs will be screwed.
I just know what direction this game is headed
No matter how much you try ccp, im not getting into a little ship. It completely ruins any semblance of realism.
Ok I will post one of the stats since it seems only 50 of 20,000 actually use test center
Amarr Purifier(Inquisitor) 19.65% reduction in cruise launcher powergrid needs/level +10% reduction in small energy weapon cap usage/level 5% bonus to missile em damage, 25% velocity while cloaked/level
s- 275 a- 275 s- 150
Armor Resists- 60 0 35 35 Shield Resists- 0 70 48 20
Capacitor- 250 Targeting Range-60km Scan Resolution- 450 Sig Rad- 45 Sensor Strength- 17 Velocity- 215 Mass- 2800 Kg
Skills Required- Frigate V, Electronics Upgrades V, Covert Ops I
The bomber stats are virtually identical, however, as the only Bomber with 3 missile slots, the Caldari Manticore is the winner over the Gallente Nemesis, Or Minmatar Hound(lol)
It is a very cool ship I look forward to flying one.
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Arimas Talasko
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: ALTNAME Dont fly your intys in groups under 10
10 equals battleship cost
Then it will be fair
Wow, that's the dumbest thing I've ever read. Ten interceptors fully fitted probably cost more than a normal fitted BS, and if you lose em, you'll get a cool 10M or so insurance payout. Cry me a bloody river. Hahahah. Hahah. Hah. Laf.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:31:00 -
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ôSo you are saying your strategy for future inty vs bs warfare is use drones or runö Pretty much but I am a Domi pilot that relays on Drones and Drone skills. Other options would be Large Blasters with Tracking modules, missiles, smart bombs, webber. 1 or 2 small Turrets among other things. 1 large Cap Neutraliser will kill the frigate.
The Bomber is weak and as soon as anything locks it then it has to warp out. A Battleship would kill it in 1 volly.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:36:00 -
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X-wing > Deathstar
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ALTNAME
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:40:00 -
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Hmmm
Ill show you the lak you can go jump in
Take a gander dears, and remember it well....logging on(for the 20th time today......
Arbalest Rocket 825k Arbalest Cruise- 6.5 Million 150 Railgun II- 1.5 Million 625 Railgun II- 6.5 Million
Small Shield Booster- 30k X Large Shield Booster- 600k
Yawn
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ALTNAME
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:42:00 -
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How about tractor beams, I guess that wouldnt be realistic. hunh.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: ALTNAME No matter how much you try ccp, im not getting into a little ship. It completely ruins any semblance of realism.
Yeah right, I suppose the smaller airplanes that escorts the big bomb planes are just there to look cool, right? And I suppose the Infantry that runs alongside with Tanks are just cowards that doesn't wanna rush in alone? And what is with having 20 Squad cars trying to stop a stolen bus? Why don't they equip soldiers with bazookas only, why do they have to give rifles to most of the guys? Whoever heard the expression "The Achilles Heel" anyhow?
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 01/04/2005 08:48:24 ** Ack for some reason I triple-posted ** ------------------------------------------------------- "Do you really think that's air you're breathing?" |

Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 01/04/2005 08:49:14 ** Plz let us delete posts in the future... ** ------------------------------------------------------- "Do you really think that's air you're breathing?" |

Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:46:00 -
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If you were paying attention, you'd see a couple of glaring weaknesses to compensate for the fact that they can shoot cruise missiles.
1) Without the cpu bonus for Cov Ops cloaks, its forced to use a Prototype cloak, crippling its locking speed. Or you can just use no cloak, but then it's still a frigate, meaning it dies to anti-frigate much like every other frigate out there. They are also slow. Even with the speed bonus when cloaked, they won't go faster than 250 m/s when cloaked. Cleaning up Bombers will be Assault frigate work, which is good, giving them a role apart from looking good. 2) Could you look at the other ships sensor strengths before you complain? All ships have their sensors massively increased with the upcoming EW changes. I believe the Raven goes all the way up to 32. 3) Fitting cruise launchers, even with the grid reduction is still taking HEAVY toll on the Bombers small powergrid, leaving no room for any form of defense. Especially the Caldari one, which can theoretically fit 3 of these struggles to even fit 2. They are still 17,5 grid each with the 98,5% reduction. Quite a bit for a frig with 30 base grid. 4) Cruise Launcher have a RoF of 28 seconds. Since you need missile ops 5 to shoot cruise, we're looking at a RoF of 21 seconds. Not something to write home about to be honest. With Cruise missile 4 and Cov Ops 4, you're looking at 41,1 damage per second (61,7 for the Manticore). Woohooo. Actually, my Taranis does more than that...
I'm not too impressed with their stats actually. FoF's need someone to aggro on you and with their nonexistant defense and slow speed that's something you don't want. Nothing they can do can't be done 10 times better by a Raven and that one is easier to train and probably way more available as well. ------------------------------------------------------- "Do you really think that's air you're breathing?" |

Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:48:00 -
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You keep going on about how unrealistic it is. But its pretty realistic like real Stealth Bombers itÆs hard to hit but when its hit it blows up. Anti Aircraft weapons donÆt exactly find real Stealth bombers easy to see or hit and just like Eve when the Stealth Bomber is hit it usually goes down due to lack of amour.
Anyway there is a thing as to much realism in space games. Not enough realism it just as bad as to much realism.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.04.01 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: ALTNAME Dont fly your intys in groups under 10
10 equals battleship cost
Then it will be fair
You forget one thing in this calculation:
Player = Unlimited value
A single player can't use 10 intys at once instead of a battleship, and because of that the calculation doesn't add up.
Money value can never be used to balance two things in a game where you can't use multiple cheaper items at once...
If this was a strategy game where you can get either a battleship or 50 frigs it would work, but since you can only either use one battleship or one frig it doesn't work that way...
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.04.01 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey ôSo you are saying your strategy for future inty vs bs warfare is use drones or runö Pretty much but I am a Domi pilot that relays on Drones and Drone skills. Other options would be Large Blasters with Tracking modules, missiles, smart bombs, webber. 1 or 2 small Turrets among other things. 1 large Cap Neutraliser will kill the frigate.
The Bomber is weak and as soon as anything locks it then it has to warp out. A Battleship would kill it in 1 volly.
That's why you cackle with glee as you launch your first volley of missiles and re-cloak.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2005.04.01 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: 4 LOM on 01/04/2005 09:06:03 ROFL, the stealth bombers are slow and very weak... they may be able to fire cruise missiles but 2 or 3 cruise launchers are easily outdamaged bye an interceptor or assault frig, and these stealth bombers are bye far easier to kill (untested but looking at the stats hell ya). there only feature is they unclock hit you hard once they basically they are done either you kill em off or they recloack at most they get 2 volley's off against a bs. are you telling me you are such a brutal bs pilot you cant handle 2(3) or even 4(6) cruise missile hits rofl.
WOW this is what happens when stupid people open post.
the best part of yout post was you dont need hp if you can lock a target at 70km rofl... omg wow. i can fit my harpy to have a range of 70km np so i should just orbit your bs and kill you cause at 70km there is nothing you can do.
lol ok i feel better just dont be an idiot next time you post
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Alyth
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Posted - 2005.04.01 09:20:00 -
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I motion to have this thread locked as the thread starter does not know what he is talking about. AGAIN.
ALTNAME if you don't want to fly small ships, go ahead but however much you whine CCP aren't going to give you an I'M IN A BATTLESHIP SO I WIN button.
Is there any way to block people on this forum?
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.04.01 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: ALTNAME
No matter how much you try ccp, im not getting into a little ship. It completely ruins any semblance of realism.
You fly battleships, for the realism? And to fly anything smaller would "ruin" that realism? Pal, it's a game set in space in the far, far, future?! how much more un-real can you get? And if you truly believed what you were saying in the rest of your post, why use an alt to post it? Is it because you yourself realise how exaggereated and false what you say is?
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Lagar
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Posted - 2005.04.01 09:36:00 -
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oh it's not hard to se why the bombers have so low HP... a destroyer is suposed to wtfpwn them.. plain and simple.. more hp and the bombers would become almost godly..
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Arimas Talasko
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Posted - 2005.04.01 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Angelus X
Originally by: ALTNAME
No matter how much you try ccp, im not getting into a little ship. It completely ruins any semblance of realism.
You fly battleships, for the realism? And to fly anything smaller would "ruin" that realism? Pal, it's a game set in space in the far, far, future?! how much more un-real can you get? And if you truly believed what you were saying in the rest of your post, why use an alt to post it? Is it because you yourself realise how exaggereated and false what you say is?
I think the reason why he keeps posting is to annoy people, and it works pretty well. Well, it is 3:42 AM here, so that is why I am so annoyed. But give nthe numbers he quoted... the 10 inties will still out-cost the single battleship. So I don't know what the point of that was. Most likely. Whatever.
Supremacy Keepin it Real |

Arte
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Posted - 2005.04.01 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: Arte on 01/04/2005 09:49:22 Edited by: Arte on 01/04/2005 09:48:06 Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux ...Especially the Caldari one, which can theoretically fit 3 of these struggles to even fit 2. They are still 17,5 grid each with the 98,5% reduction. Quite a bit for a frig with 30 base grid
It has a grid use bonus per covert-ops skill level as well, 5% cap reduction to cruise launchers per covert ops skill per level. EDIT: Also with engineering at lvl 5, that's 37.5mw grid. There are also MAPC (it has 2 lows iirc). Try to read all the info before posting.
What is it lately with BS pilots saying that they're being nerfed to hell and back. You're the biggest most powerful ship class, but even David was able to find a way past Goliath. Not saying that frig sized ships should be able to pwn a BS, but cause it problems... yes definately. Lets stop having this pi$$ing contest, wait for the ships to come out and see how they work in practise instead of whining about the theory.
EDIT: Lorth hits the nail on the head. People dont look at the bigger picture when staring at the stats. They just see what they want to see and dont listen to the facts because that would make them wrong. Why let the facts get in the way of a good rant
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.04.01 09:43:00 -
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Ok I learned the hard way...
Step away from the post. Walk backwards slowly, don't advert your eyes. Talk to it in a calm cool voice, and don't make any sudden movements.
Let this thread die. Like the rest of ALTNAMES posts, this one is full of missinformation, and a tottal disregard for balance. In fact, the sheer ignorance of what he says is frankly a diservace to the community.
Argue with him enough, use real numbers which dissagree with what he says, and he'll do nothing but spam the thread with "No one has refuted my arguments," in a vain attempt to keep the thread on the first page, to further the spread of ignorance.
Back him into a corner, and you'll find that he will begin the make a thinly vailed comparision of him self to Aristotle, claiming that even though he's right, we're persicuting him in an attempt to protect our dogma. The whole time spamming the thread with personal insults directed at anyone who dissagrees with the shear lunacy he types.
Eris, is there any wa we can get a premtive lock?
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Lomong
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Posted - 2005.04.01 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lomong on 01/04/2005 10:39:12 To Altname:
What the... You claim it ruins realism?!? Get some frigging clue!
Do you know why battleships are almost extinct? And why aircraft carriers has a horde of frigates, destroyers and some cruisers for defense?
It's because of small aircraft armed with bombs and missiles. And the defense against them is aircraft of your own, small missiles that accelerate quickly and can turn easily, as well as 40mm and 57mm anti-air turrets. Not 155mm guns, that's for sure. You won't see cruise missiles used for that kind of job either, due to their slow speed(around 800km/h....)
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.04.01 10:53:00 -
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If you you believe that Stealth bombers are VASTLY over powered and TOTALLY umbalanced, then fly one.
If your pint sized ego wouldn't let you fly a "small" ship dry your eyes and pukker up 'cause no doubt your day is just gonna keep gettin worse.
Ten of anything attacking one Battle Ship is called respect. "The object of war is not to die for your corp, but to make the other b@##@#d die for his" |
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