Originally by: Sorja

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Seems like some people are talking out of their... bottom here.
What a surprize...

Dont jump to conclusions just yet

Raven is fine against NPCs. Some say it's the best, so be it, Caldari may have some 'best' of something too, don't they ?

It is the best at NPCs but hold on thats not all

Raven is fine at very close range. Not overpowered at all, it is possible to beat a Raven 1 on 1 with other ships at close range, and not only in a Megathron.

1 on 1 close range a raven WILL beat most of its opponents. Most being about everyone bar someone specifically fitted to kill your specific raven...even then with the right mods kitted a raven is probably the most feared ship on its own

Raven is totally useless in fleet battles. In the north we don't fight that many lag... er fleet fights, but the most common ships are Amarr BSs. That may change after megapulse balance and megathrons/tempests will be king of fleet fights.

A raven will bbq anything smaller than it...without smaller ships a fleet fight is one sided to those which do have smaller ships. Even at range a raven is effective, warp out? well there you go, you just made the enemy withdraw removing their firepower. you dont NEED a killmail to win

Caldari have to train BOTH gunnery and missiles. Not necessarily large turrets, but small and medium for sure, for ships like Merlin, Raptor, Harpy, Hawk, Moa, Ferox or Eagle.

minmatar gotta train both for most of their ships in particularly their large ships. Gallente have mixed ships too such as the megaT...now your not gonna fly a mega at max effectiveness on JUST rails. Amarr? maybe not the same thing but a apoc will get max effectiveness with its missiles as well

Many other ships have missile hardpoints, so missiles are not a Caldari only weapon, unlike lasers, or projectiles.

haven't seen anything which stops caldari fitting lasers or projectiles. Caldari obviously have turret hardpoints. Now i even have a friend who has lasers on his raven. Projectiles aren't far from. Only problem is that caldari ships dont have proj or laser bonuses....but amarr minmatar and gallente dont have missile bonuses either...hold on that sounds like a bonus to caldari...where they can have variety in both a turret weapon AND missiles, that means they have full potential of their fleet. Unlike the others which are restricted to instant hit weapons and cannot diversify.

Light and heavy missiles are a joke so Calari are eagerly waiting for the missile overhaul.

hey, all weapon classes were pretty much a joke at one point...only difference here is where caldari weapon class is that half of it is effective wheras for the others, the whole classes suffer. Look at blasters which you cant fit, projectiles that didn't hit etc

Cruise missiles are completely unbalanced. They are no threat to what they are supposed to hit and they hit what they should not.

Cruises are suppose to hit frigates...i do fear them as a frig pilot

After next patch, Caldari will have to train missiles (probably new skills too, how fun...), gunnery and EW (since CCP seems to want Caldari to be EW masters for some reason).

...Caldari have been complaining about not enough skills for missiles to bolster them...now they're coming i wouldn't complain. Gunnery skills are still likely to be ALOT more larger pool.

Ok about the EW...what? caldari are being given an extra edge and your complaining? I dont see why thats somethin to be moanin about. Also the fact remains is that all races will have to train EW and already do train gunnery

Caldari are the only race without a viable battleship class gunship. Besides the Harpy, they don't have great gunships anyways.

Every other race do not have viable battleship class missile boats. Besides the....nothing actually no race has a missile boat. Actually other races have no ships which are able to dabble about in another races works. Other than minmatar in which case their ships are practically all half half so they cannot maximise effectiveness at one such as the caldari who have specific gun boats and specific rail boats.

Anyways, some have their idea and won't admit Caldari pilots face some real problems in PvP, even when people post killboards stats showing how poor ravens are
u said they were the best at NPCing...let them be best at something.
There ya go, you wouldn't want them to be best at everything now would ya? actually hold on they do threaten all smaller ships and other larger ships too one on one.

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