If the people of the game can insight the makers CCP to add or remove a feature with forum requests here is my possible fix for cloaks.
Make a SOV structure similar to jump bridges and cyno jammers that can be activated only a few times an hour 1-4 that turns cloaks off in the whole system this will allow SOV holders to deal with AFK cloakers without having CCP to ban there accounts after repeated abuse.
Cloaks are the only thing in game with no counter.
If there a more effective way for all to deal with this issue feel free to add on constructively.

If the people of the game can insight the makers CCP to add or remove a feature with forum requests here is my possible fix for cloaks.
Make a SOV structure similar to jump bridges and cyno jammers that can be activated only a few times an hour 1-4 that turns cloaks off in the whole system this will allow SOV holders to deal with AFK cloakers without having CCP to ban there accounts after repeated abuse.
Cloaks are the only thing in game with no counter.
If there a more effective way for all to deal with this issue feel free to add on constructively.

I would think people that hold SOV would like the ability to remove players from there space for safety reasons
anyone can look at the map and see what systems in 0.0 are being used as mining systems or combat its fairly easy to place a cloaked ship in those systems preventing them from being fully utilized.

and there is nothing in game that can stop them,

The thing is afk cloaking is being used effectively to reduce alliances from working the systems they pay the SOV bills for
be it an enemy alliance or merc group hired for this task or just a few people getting others to rage for there own amusement

the shear fact that the cloak has no counter is sickening and such a crazy oversite on CCP's behalf.

having CCP to ban there accounts after repeated abuse.

Cloaks are the only thing in game with no counter.

If the people of the game can insight the makers CCP to add or remove a feature with forum requests here is my possible fix for cloaks.
Make a SOV structure similar to jump bridges and cyno jammers that can be activated only a few times an hour 1-4 that turns cloaks off in the whole system this will allow SOV holders to deal with AFK cloakers without having CCP to ban there accounts after repeated abuse.
Cloaks are the only thing in game with no counter.
If there a more effective way for all to deal with this issue feel free to add on constructively.

I would think people that hold SOV would like the ability to remove players from there space for safety reasons...

Going back to what i originally said is why ban people for being afk cloaker hot droppers why not let us decloak people in systems we pay for if there not truely afk they can simply recloak no harm but if they are afk we can kill them.

New idea then also if afk and cloaked for more then say 1 hour with no user input auto log off the clients no one dies no one gets banned for being afk for to long simple easy fix

Only problem about AFK cloakers is, it is completly risk free. If you are afk cloaked in space, you dont have to play the game. Still your character is online and he is in ship in space. Players should be able to detect it one way or another. Even if it takes hour or two.

If the people of the game can insight the makers CCP to add or remove a feature with forum requests here is my possible fix for cloaks.
Make a SOV structure similar to jump bridges and cyno jammers that can be activated only a few times an hour 1-4 that turns cloaks off in the whole system this will allow SOV holders to deal with AFK cloakers without having CCP to ban there accounts after repeated abuse.
Cloaks are the only thing in game with no counter.
If there a more effective way for all to deal with this issue feel free to add on constructively.

Only problem about AFK cloakers is, it is completly risk free. If you are afk cloaked in space, you dont have to play the game. Still your character is online and he is in ship in space. Players should be able to detect it one way or another. Even if it takes hour or two.

The thing is afk cloaking is being used effectively to reduce alliances from working the systems they pay the SOV bills for
be it an enemy alliance or merc group hired for this task or just a few people getting others to rage for there own amusement

the shear fact that the cloak has no counter is sickening and such a crazy oversite on CCP's behalf.

[...] why not let us decloak people in systems we pay for if there not truely afk they can simply recloak no harm but if they are afk we can kill them.

[...]

the shear fact that the cloak has no counter is sickening.

Only problem about AFK cloakers is, it is completly risk free. If you are afk cloaked in space, you dont have to play the game. Still your character is online and he is in ship in space. Players should be able to detect it one way or another. Even if it takes hour or two.

That being said, it would be cool though if there was an anti cloak sov upgrade. Just like there is a cyno jammer preventing jump drive access. An Anti cloak sov upgrade could send out an automated pulse at a preset interval that would decloak any cloaked ships in the system. This should hit all ships friendly or not. Getting hit by this pulse should put your cloak into a 5 minute cool down before it can be reactivated. A claoky spy just needs to avoid getting scanned down until they can reactivate their cloak. An AFK cloaker would be free to be scanned down, but in reality this would simply deter AFK cloakers from targeting systems with the anti cloak upgrade, just as you can not target cyno jammed systems for a hot drop.

Cloaks are the only thing in game with no counter.
If there a more effective way for all to deal with this issue feel free to add on constructively.

Speaking as a covert ops person:

The act of cloaking is it's own counter. Aside from Covert Ops, you can't warp and you certainly cannot fire weapons.
There are other "concerns" but nerfing cloaks won't really remove them.

The main issue with Cloaks is the FUD factor.

EVE plays well with FUD.

The best 'nerf' to covert ops would not be to negatively impact cloaking but improve other mechanics in the game. If you think of EVE as an evolving universe the following should make sense:
An improvement to probes has been discovered allowing cloaked vessels to be approximately pinpointed. Uppon warping to the approximate location (within 5-10KM of the last pinpoint), the probing ship can further enhance their search using the directions scanner to ping the location of the cloaked vessel.

An AFK cloaked ship standing still would be easily discovered and killed.
An AFK cloaked ship moving would still be discovered and killed.
A non AFK and aware pilot of a cloaked ship would see the scan probes and move - which then reveals to the scanner that the person is not AFK.

With a mechanic like this the cloak feature is not nerfed directly but indirectly by improving technology. It does not become an anti-cloaking iWin button and at the same time it will lead to the tears of AFK cloakers. In the end, it fixes a mechanic in the game without breaking the existing mechanics.

I would think people that hold SOV would like the ability to remove players from there space for safety reasons
anyone can look at the map and see what systems in 0.0 are being used as mining systems or combat its fairly easy to place a cloaked ship in those systems preventing them from being fully utilized.

and there is nothing in game that can stop them,

It is like people who whinge about ECM, Yes ECM is annoying - But you can fit implants, modules, etc that can reduce its effect drastically. (Get neuted? Cant fire guns? Cant tank? Same thing really)

Except that mechanic destroys wormhole space.

I would think people that hold SOV would like the ability to remove players from there space for safety reasons
anyone can look at the map and see what systems in 0.0 are being used as mining systems or combat its fairly easy to place a cloaked ship in those systems preventing them from being fully utilized.

and there is nothing in game that can stop them,

Can you elaborate more?

however i think afk cloakies needs to have some kind of nerf, no profession should be completly safe in eve, if you afk on a freighter or a mining barge you risk your self to be ganked, if you autopilot in even in your pod you risk to be ganked, but if you log and cloak all the day and all the night you keep your self safe, thats kinda unbalanced if you ask me.

options to balance the game: the need of some kind of fuel to cloak that gets consumed every minute and a fuel bay on the cloakies with a limmited cargo size.

cyno jammed systems should work against cyno cov ops drops

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b) How about people who aren't cloaked need fuel to run their ships, and if they run out they cant move or AB or MWD about, and they have to hitch a solar sail and sail home to station or call their mate in a hauler to bring them some fuel to put it in the tank. Boy, how fun would that be! idiot.

First of all there are only two things more annoying than AFK cloaky whining threads:

1 Cretins from WH space saying to remove local in 0.0 as it works in WH space
2 Cretins from WH spaces satyng that a AFK cloaker is not a risk and using WH space as an example

Lets try to shut them up once and for all, CYNO's and BLOPS CYNO's, while you merry chaps can control what comes into your hole as CYNO's and BLOPS CYNO's do not work in WH space, us null sec chaps cannot due to CYNO's and BLOPS CYNO's, a cloaky Anathema in WH space is no threat, but arm that blighter with a CYNO or BLOPS CYNO in 0.0 and its a massive threat.

Now please stop making yourselves look like class 1 retards! or is that class 5 retards and go black to sleeper sites please.

Actually you make yourself look equally idiotic, for missing the main points of the WH no local crowd. So let's elaborate.

CYNO's. No you can't use a cyno in WH space. But most of WH space cant even fit caps, so it is largely a non issue. Your ratting cap may get cyno dropped. In WH space your ratting T3 will get jumped by a cloaky T3 gang.

BLOPS CYNO. Simply not needed in WH space. With local, a blops cyno is necessary as there is no way to sneak your gang as local gives you away. In a WH you can get your entire covert ops fleet in system often completely undetected. So no a WH fleet can't BLOPS in. But they don't need to, they can just sneak up into range and decloak.

The main point is that without local covert ops is truly covert. You can have an entire fleet cloaked up in your system and never know it until it is too late. Yet WH dwellers still manage to leave their POS shields.

a) If you stay cloaked all day, you are completely safe, and so is everyone else not within 2,000m of you.

b) How about people who aren't cloaked need fuel to run their ships, and if they run out they cant move or AB or MWD about, and they have to hitch a solar sail and sail home to station or call their mate in a hauler to bring them some fuel to put it in the tank. Boy, how fun would that be! idiot.

c) Bawhahahaw.

Hmm one of these afk cloaker whine threads again.... Number 5466893 i believe..


Cloak is counter to probes and directional scanner. As others has sayd, if hes really afk, then hes no danger... If he is not afk, then hes actually playing the game...

And since 0.0 people always whine about highsec with reason: risk vs. reward. I would say stop complaining about afk cloakers, theyre part of risk in 0.0 to justify those isk sources there that are better then highsec things... Besides if your corporation/alliance cant handle single afk clokaer, get your sorry ass back to highsec... Critical systems can be cynojammed, jumpbridges exists, etc...