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Mr Crowley
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Posted - 2005.04.04 14:42:00 -
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All i see on the forums in crime and punishment is how pirating is not profitable anymore. Nore is bounty hunting, pirates are to slippery, then you gotta get thier pod to. So i have a few suggestions for how we can both be made happy.
Remove local from 0.0. Idea not mine but its very cool, with the new patch and the map not spamming exactly how many people are in a system nobody, pirates or bounty hunters, will know exactly what is at the next jump/warp.
Remove Bookmarks that are not to a specific spot. So much for instajumping to safty. Or hiding in a safespot untill your buddys show up.
Increase the amount of 0.0 space and spread empire around a bit more.
Make it where if you blow up a pirats ship you get the bounty. No more of this chasing a pod bull, currently somone needs only warp after being destroyed and immidiatly log off and he is scott free to log on after a few hours and pod to a station.
This idea will also weaken the alliances and thier, NOBODY BUT US CAN ENTER 0.0 hogwash. Unless they camp thier gates 24/7, and then with them not being able to see what is coming, nor being able to insta out corps that want to go into 0.0 can simply fight past that point and "disapear"
Both bounty hunting and pirating will become profitable again, and with it being so easy to fight perhaps people will think twice about risk vs gain because you never know when you will be at the recieving end of the same treatment.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.04.04 14:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Mr Crowley
This idea will also weaken the alliances and thier, NOBODY BUT US CAN ENTER 0.0 hogwash. Unless they camp thier gates 24/7, and then with them not being able to see what is coming, nor being able to insta out corps that want to go into 0.0 can simply fight past that point and "disapear"
Thats the thing altie, ANYBODY can go to 0.0, you can get past blockades easy, you can easily find a quiet spot for yourself to npc in, you just need a BRAIN CELL to do it.
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betty brainless
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Posted - 2005.04.04 14:50:00 -
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this is a alt
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Mr Crowley
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Posted - 2005.04.04 14:50:00 -
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My god, I AM NOT A ALT.
Stop showing everyone that your 5 years old namecalling.
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Longdong Silver
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Posted - 2005.04.04 14:51:00 -
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and this is a alt
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Mr Crowley
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Posted - 2005.04.04 14:51:00 -
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C the Difference?
I used to have a nice sig but it keeps getting removed by somone with no explanation. Typical isnt it. |
Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.04.04 14:53:00 -
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and this is alt too!
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Static Ga'lraith
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Posted - 2005.04.04 15:02:00 -
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Alt-tastic!
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.04.04 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Crowley
Remove Bookmarks that are not to a specific spot. So much for instajumping to safty. Or hiding in a safespot untill your buddys show up.
They do warp to a specific spot.
Their safespot 
What's needed is a boost to probes (which is coming), not a nerf to safespots.
Originally by: Mr Crowley
Increase the amount of 0.0 space and spread empire around a bit more.
Look at the map at any one time. Ever notice just how much of 0.0 is actually totally empty? And adding more Empire systems isn't the answer either, CCP are trying to encourage people to leave Empire, not giving them more Empire systems to move into.
0.0 is going to be opened up soon with more entries into 0.0 and shortcuts around it.
Originally by: Mr Crowley
Make it where if you blow up a pirats ship you get the bounty. No more of this chasing a pod bull, currently somone needs only warp after being destroyed and immidiatly log off and he is scott free to log on after a few hours and pod to a station.
Totally exploitable.
Any good pirate worth his salt probably has implants fitted. Due to this, he can't get an alt to pod him as the amount of his bounty doesn't cover the price of implants.
If bounties came from killing ships, all he needs to do is jump into a shuttle and have his alt kill him. Hey presto, 10mil bounty collected from killing a 10k shuttle.
Originally by: Mr Crowley
This idea will also weaken the alliances and thier, NOBODY BUT US CAN ENTER 0.0 hogwash. Unless they camp thier gates 24/7, and then with them not being able to see what is coming, nor being able to insta out corps that want to go into 0.0 can simply fight past that point and "disapear"
Eh? Gates are never camped 23/7. In fact, some entries to 0.0 are practically never camped.
You want to get into 0.0, fine. It's relatively easy to do (just don't go in by the easiest route, everyone else will use that route too, you know). But you also want to be totally invisible when you're there? Not likely, it's hard enough finding people in 0.0. The proposed 30 minute timer should help people hide a bit though.
Originally by: Mr Crowley
Both bounty hunting and pirating will become profitable again, and with it being so easy to fight perhaps people will think twice about risk vs gain because you never know when you will be at the recieving end of the same treatment.
But your idea above is to make you invisible when you get into 0.0, so how will any pirates ever find you? This will lead to the situation where all they'll do is double their efforts in camping the entrances, since that's the only place they'll ever be able to find anyone.
0.0 isn't meant to be easy, you know.....
It's cool that you've had a few ideas on the subject, it's just some aren't very practical. Some of your other points are being dealt with in a fashion, in upcoming patches.
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.04.04 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 04/04/2005 17:08:26
Only people complaining "Pirating" isn't profitable anymore must be a part of FoE or something where there is more "Friends" than "Victims". That or they have no clue wtf there talking about.
Eve has trade, people move millions of isk from one point to another point. I find it hard to believe that somewhere in that route it's not moving anything from "Low Security" space to "High Security" space (Or Opposite). Trade is a really good way of making money. I see it daily in my system and I see it done daily in other low security systems. In making this post, I saw 3 haulers jump in and warp pass my frig in essence 0.4 system.
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.04.04 17:37:00 -
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I'm an alt, and so is my wife.
COME AND SOCIALISE WITH US NASTY SNIGG BASTARDS AT : WWW.SNIGG.CJB.NET |
Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:33:00 -
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The big problem for pirates is that the haulers full of junk are only ever vulnerable at gates.
There are three basic types of piracy, and something interfering with each:
1. Gate Ganking: Totally on the pirate's side. Any ship coming through that hasn't been in the system before and set instas is ganked, not ransomed, and whatever is left is looted. This leads to carebear *****ing about gate camps. it's really not much fun for either side, but the best way to turn a profit and still beats mining.
2. Belt Piracy: I think this is loads of fun for the pirate and has an element of fun for the victim, because there's a good chance for either side to win the day in small skirmishes. Unfortunately, the only people that show up to those belts are set up for skirmishes, so this is very expensive for the pirate. Miners can fit WCS and get away so easily that there's just not much ISK in general piracy, or even ransoming.
3. Ransoms: Instead of taking stuff, you have to pay a toll to keep your ship/pod. This is entirely dependant on carebear willingness to pay, which is waning, and this is yet again a failing form of piracy.
If you want us to stop camping gates, give us a reason to move away from the gates. That's the only way it'll happen.
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EVENFLOW
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove
If you want us to stop camping gates, give us a reason to move away from the gates. That's the only way it'll happen.
You could always mine
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.04.04 20:01:00 -
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Screw mining, it's boring plus you have ore thieves you can't kill. Could NPC but for some reason all the good NPC's are in 0.0.
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2005.04.04 20:10:00 -
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This is just a.....joke?
1. 0.0 local needed not for smacking also for communication didnt you knew it?
2. rofl? i wanna see you in hostile territory with 10 pppl hunt you and you cant ss or insta-jump from system.
3. Your suggestions not about to make piracy more proftable, its about to make piracy "newb friendly", so anyone can hop into Ibis and go chase people.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2005.04.04 21:56:00 -
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pirates been asking carebears to cooporate since Eve was launched...carebears just don't wanna lay down and die easy like the pie-rats want, so we still ahve the conflict...
carebears mine and make stuff
pir-rats blow stuff up and steal
when there are no carebears making and mining, the pie-rats quit because they have nobody to kill or steal from...
can you see where the griefing will take this game ??
carebear or pirate, but quit if all you want to do is grief...
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.04.04 23:26:00 -
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the way to fix local chat in 0.0 is to only display the name of the persons in the system if they post if someone is being quite then nobody will who they are or even if they are there at all.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.04.04 23:30:00 -
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Don't forget that carebears are the master of the blob in reaction to an ebil pirate presence. You got two tempests? They'll bring 6 apocs and 6 geddons and roleplay in local whilst celebrating their victory over "terrorists" activities. 
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.04.05 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lygos on 05/04/2005 01:19:53
You know, Zorro never complained when he had to go up against an entire army. He escaped to fight another day.
Oh wait. Zorro wasn't a pirate. Masked men 1; Pirates 0.
Actually, to defeat blobs you have to make otherwise apathetic and peaceful people envious of one another. That's trickier than screwing around with bookmarks. That is in the game owner's court though. The only way to beat the system, and States while you're at it, is to insert a paradox at a structural level.
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Mr Crowley
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Posted - 2005.04.05 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Hunter
This is just a.....joke?
1. 0.0 local needed not for smacking also for communication didnt you knew it?
2. rofl? i wanna see you in hostile territory with 10 pppl hunt you and you cant ss or insta-jump from system.
3. Your suggestions not about to make piracy more proftable, its about to make piracy "newb friendly", so anyone can hop into Ibis and go chase people.
1.I believe people smack talk out of frustration of not being able to do what they really want to do. Shouldnt be doing that much smack talk anyway, talk is cheap.
2. I can escape hostile territory easily, simply activate boosters and tacts, begin warp to safe and log off. Big wast of time for those ten people. Or I can insta dock. Or I can insta jump. All of course assuming i have bm to these locations.
Problem is the everyday player hualin in a indy, or passin through doesnt have those bm. Its the locals who are "protecting" thier space that have them, and the pirates who frequent the area.
3.Actually this post was not made in favor of piracy. If you have ever attempted to hunt them then you would share my idea's. Sure it would make piracy alot easier to do, no question there. Would a noob in a frig be able to take a indy, quite possable.
On the flipside though-would you or you corp be able to retaliate? Yes, just as easily as they get you, you will be able to get them. Will bounty hunting be profitable, for the first time in eve, Yes it would. Would the PvPers finally balance out and have somone to fight other then every noob coming around, Yes.(although I am quite sure some will continue to pop everyone they see, MOO, DNA, M3G4, to name a few) However i would like to see how long they last at it when the common player actually has a shot of hurting them back.
I used to have a nice sig but it keeps getting removed by somone with no explanation. Typical isnt it. |
kwoodward
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Posted - 2005.04.05 14:40:00 -
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removing the names from the system for a specified period of time has been sujested before and IMO is a damb good thing.
there's always the scanner if u wanna know whats there.
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2005.04.05 15:11:00 -
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well all those suggestion only help pirates. im for the idea to make piracy profitable but HARD like its now. So only expirienced and skilled players can pirate.
Or we get every < 0.4 swarmed with pirate wannabes
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Mid Night
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Posted - 2005.04.05 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Mid Night on 05/04/2005 16:18:55
Originally by: Mr Crowley
My god, I AM NOT A ALT.
Stop showing everyone that your 5 years old namecalling.
LOL...you calling someone 5 years old while you use those as Alt names
Glad to see they changed em on ya as well 
Tut tut...don't want to lose that account...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=168180
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.04.05 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mid Night
LOL...you calling someone 5 years old while you use those as Alt names
Hah! I'm alt and I have balls to say that you can bend over and suck .. your lollipop.
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Mid Night
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Posted - 2005.04.05 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Hah! I'm alt and I have balls to say that you can bend over and suck .. your lollipop.
You've been peeking at my Lollipop to know that I am able to do just that....I mean if I ever wanted to that is...
Keep you eyes on your scanners and not down in my*****pit checking out my Big ole Lollipop
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Vargrh
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Posted - 2005.04.05 21:39:00 -
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The best way to recruit carebears into pirate corps is to kill them. I have found that several kills have resulted in an interest in pirating.. and those that have made the cross over have turned out to be great pirates and good mates in game.
If you are sick of being prey, become a predator :D
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Amicus
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Posted - 2005.04.06 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rodge
Originally by: Mr Crowley
Make it where if you blow up a pirats ship you get the bounty. No more of this chasing a pod bull, currently somone needs only warp after being destroyed and immidiatly log off and he is scott free to log on after a few hours and pod to a station.
Totally exploitable.
Any good pirate worth his salt probably has implants fitted. Due to this, he can't get an alt to pod him as the amount of his bounty doesn't cover the price of implants.
If bounties came from killing ships, all he needs to do is jump into a shuttle and have his alt kill him. Hey presto, 10mil bounty collected from killing a 10k shuttle.
Therefore, you limit the amount of the payout on any bounty to the fair market value of the property destroyed. Thus, if all that is destroyed is a shuttle, all that is paid out is c. 8,500 isk (assuming that is the FMV of the shuttle and that the shuttle was uninsured). Whatever is not paid out on one kill is left for the next hunter to collect. See discussion  Bounty Reform Chapt. 3 - Solutions and/or Bounty Reform - Consensus?.)
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Mr Crowley
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Posted - 2005.04.06 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Amicus
Originally by: Rodge
Originally by: Mr Crowley
Make it where if you blow up a pirats ship you get the bounty. No more of this chasing a pod bull, currently somone needs only warp after being destroyed and immidiatly log off and he is scott free to log on after a few hours and pod to a station.
Totally exploitable.
Any good pirate worth his salt probably has implants fitted. Due to this, he can't get an alt to pod him as the amount of his bounty doesn't cover the price of implants.
If bounties came from killing ships, all he needs to do is jump into a shuttle and have his alt kill him. Hey presto, 10mil bounty collected from killing a 10k shuttle.
Therefore, you limit the amount of the payout on any bounty to the fair market value of the property destroyed. Thus, if all that is destroyed is a shuttle, all that is paid out is c. 8,500 isk (assuming that is the FMV of the shuttle and that the shuttle was uninsured). Whatever is not paid out on one kill is left for the next hunter to collect. See discussion Bounty Reform Chapt. 3 - Solutions and/or Bounty Reform - Consensus?.)
There is always going to be a way to exploit this part of the game. Personally if I get a pirate and he is in a shuttle i will be a bit miffed at not getting the whole payout.
Its better to have it exploitable then to have no bountys being gotten atall, I mean seriously, when was the last time somone actually got a bounty off of concords most wanted?
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.04.06 14:02:00 -
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I've picked up quite a few bounty payments. Though I must admit, I didn't even know the people in question even had bounties. I just podded them because they were in enemy alliances/corps. Sometimes, just because they were there
Never got any of the really big bounty guys, best I've got is about 10mil. Anyone with a really big bounty usually just logs off so you can't pod him
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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