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Viktor Fel
Dred Nots
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Posted - 2012.10.30 18:20:00 -
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I don;t hate miners, they are as much a part of the EVE universe as pirates. I find miners quite profitable too.
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Random Majere
Epsilon Lyr
Nulli Secunda
22
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Posted - 2012.10.30 18:25:00 -
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The best part in mining is when you kill the guy that flipped your can. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
117
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Posted - 2012.10.30 19:05:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:Arduemont wrote:Some Rando wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:What I would really like to know is why is there such frothing, swivel-eyed hate for miners in general? The more you mine, the more you want to be "left alone" to AFK, because mining is literally the most boring **** anyone ever coded into a game. Because people want to be AFk while "playing" the game they turn into entitled, sniveling little whiners who eschew any interaction whatsoever from other players, self-victimize, and generally whine at the game developers to change PvP mechanics to suit their "needs". Bottom line: Don't mine. Ever. As you can see, the anti-miners are significantly worse whiners than any miner. More true words have never been posted in these forums ever!!
Indeed. So many of the replies here lament how the miners whine so much that CCP gave them some love. BUT all of the whining on here these days is by the gankers/griefers. Do a survey of the threads in GD and you will see that most of them are targeted at whining about how miners have it too easy and that gankers are doing the right thing for being dicks to them so CCP should make ganking easier.
The whining is all theirs, because they are too chicken **** to go to null for a real challenge. They just want broad access to easy targets that wont fight back. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
219
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Posted - 2012.10.30 19:19:00 -
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It's the only element of the industrial chain that is required to undock.
It's sort of hard to hate a ship builder when most of them haven't seen the outside of a station in 4 years.
R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Serf of Hurlbat
Fueling War Effort
2
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Posted - 2012.10.30 19:22:00 -
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There's also a food-chain element to it also. The miners are the ones shooting lasers at rocks all day ---> the industrials use the mined rocks to build ships ---> The PVPers have fun and blow stuff up ---> The industrialists have to build more to rebuild stuff blown up ---> the miners have to mine more to facilitate the industrialists building ships ---> repeat
I am Prencleeve Grothsmore and I seek retribution. |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries
Epsilon Fleet
193
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Posted - 2012.10.30 19:22:00 -
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People hate miners because they lack the stoic patience to blast rocks.
It might be low risk, but its also low fun.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Serf of Hurlbat
Fueling War Effort
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Posted - 2012.10.30 19:24:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:People hate miners because they lack the stoic patience to blast rocks.
It might be low risk, but its also low fun.
The actual gameplay involved with mining is not what makes it fun. What makes it fun is the meta-game and role-play element to mining asteroids - I certainly get all excited when I remind myself that these rocks I'm mining are supplying some massive war in null sec. There's also nothing like the feeling when you've just completed a corp mining operation and you're handing over the rocks to the industrialists. Miners will understand what I mean.
I am Prencleeve Grothsmore and I seek retribution. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
607
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Posted - 2012.10.30 19:25:00 -
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Ioci wrote:It's the only element of the industrial chain that is required to undock.
It's sort of hard to hate a ship builder when most of them haven't seen the outside of a station in 4 years.
If the arguments put forward to justify hating miners are really true, they'd hate ship builders even more for that reason.
"It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2012.10.30 19:27:00 -
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Serf of Hurlbat wrote:Kult Altol wrote:People hate miners because they lack the stoic patience to blast rocks.
It might be low risk, but its also low fun. The actual gameplay involved with mining is not what makes it fun. What makes it fun is the meta-game and role-play element to mining asteroids - I certainly get all excited when I remind myself that these rocks I'm mining are supplying some massive war in null sec. There's also nothing like the feeling when you've just completed a corp mining operation and you're handing over the rocks to the industrialists. Miners will understand what I mean.
That's an interesting way of looking at it, but why don't you just join a nullsec corp and actually fight in the war?
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
476
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Posted - 2012.10.30 19:28:00 -
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Serf of Hurlbat wrote:Kult Altol wrote:People hate miners because they lack the stoic patience to blast rocks.
It might be low risk, but its also low fun. The actual gameplay involved with mining is not what makes it fun. What makes it fun is the meta-game and role-play element to mining asteroids - I certainly get all excited when I remind myself that these rocks I'm mining are supplying some massive war in null sec. There's also nothing like the feeling when you've just completed a corp mining operation and you're handing over the rocks to the industrialists. Miners will understand what I mean.
no the fun bit is watching your wallet tick higher and higher as your orders are filled when you fly out of jita having just dumped a load of minerals on the market at 0.01 isk below every one else.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
476
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Posted - 2012.10.30 19:29:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Serf of Hurlbat wrote:Kult Altol wrote:People hate miners because they lack the stoic patience to blast rocks.
It might be low risk, but its also low fun. The actual gameplay involved with mining is not what makes it fun. What makes it fun is the meta-game and role-play element to mining asteroids - I certainly get all excited when I remind myself that these rocks I'm mining are supplying some massive war in null sec. There's also nothing like the feeling when you've just completed a corp mining operation and you're handing over the rocks to the industrialists. Miners will understand what I mean. That's an interesting way of looking at it, but why don't you just join a nullsec corp and actually fight in the war?
because look at what happened when test/goons started fighting in the south in the summer, **** all happened during eu timezone aside from a few drake fleets. being an eu player i rapidly lost interest in jump cloning for 1 fleet that did almost nothing and then being stuck there unable to do anything useful so i went back to high sec.
null is vastly overrated.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Serf of Hurlbat
Fueling War Effort
4
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Posted - 2012.10.30 19:30:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Serf of Hurlbat wrote:Kult Altol wrote:People hate miners because they lack the stoic patience to blast rocks.
It might be low risk, but its also low fun. The actual gameplay involved with mining is not what makes it fun. What makes it fun is the meta-game and role-play element to mining asteroids - I certainly get all excited when I remind myself that these rocks I'm mining are supplying some massive war in null sec. There's also nothing like the feeling when you've just completed a corp mining operation and you're handing over the rocks to the industrialists. Miners will understand what I mean. That's an interesting way of looking at it, but why don't you just join a nullsec corp and actually fight in the war?
PVP isn't enjoyed by everybody, also some people like to "have a place" in New Eden. For me, being able to build the machines of war sounds much more powerful and sexy than being able to just to "kill and be killed".
I am Prencleeve Grothsmore and I seek retribution. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
342
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Posted - 2012.10.30 19:33:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:I'm a new player.
I mine a bit, I have a mining barge but find it incredibly boring and only do it when I am not really concentrating on the PC. I prefer exploration. But the impression I am getting from reading these forums a bit, is that I detect a certain amount of hostility towards miners.
What I would really like to know is why is there such frothing, swivel-eyed hate for miners?
You're wrong. No one hates "miners". Like I told someone else, I could hardly dislike people who imaginary laser imaginary rocks when one of my favorite pass-times in game is Imaginary Autocannoning imaginary sanshas lol.
What we hate is the small vocal minority of miners (and other types, mostly high sec dwellers but also a variety of "null-bearS" who complain about things like AFK Cloaking lol) who somehow feel entitled to take actions that negatively affect other people in the multiplayer game (such as mining, every mineral they mine lowers the value of everything everyone else has mined), but feel slighted, abused and insulted when anyone so much as dares do anything negative to them (like ganking them or bumping them).
Even worse, they have tools at their disposal to prevent/lessen/mitigate the actions other people can take against them (tanking their ship giving up a small amount of yeild, cooperative play with others such as getting friend with logistics ships, or even simple thing like actually being at their computer and orbiting/moving...) but rather than do those things, they come to the forums and claim they will unsub their14,000 accounts if CCP doesn't DO SOMETHING.
If you look in a dictionary for the phrase "have your cake and eat it too", their is probably a picture of a Hulk from EVE shooting lasers at rocks....
It's the insane and illogical attitude we dislike, not the actual space.... |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
397
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Posted - 2012.10.30 19:46:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:Just jealousy because they're rich and somewhat safe.
For some it has more to do with that safety allowing miners to get rich by being able to mine pretty much nonstop with no kind of interuption, and what that CAUSES. Namely, mineral prices not rising with inflation, keeping high sec MASS production costs low; which in turn actually hurts null sec economies.
It is a MUST that people, high sec through null sec, be able to impact the mineral output of high sec. Over the years CCP has made it harder and harder to actually do this; hopefully the new bounty system will be the solution.
Also, there's a lot of whiny bitches that cry about any little thing a player does in game because they think sandbox means that they shouldn't be impacted by other players. Some people are incredibly confused about the game they play, and refuse to listen to the masses of people, high sec players through null players, that keep trying to explain to them that they're playing a sandbox game that is designed |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
63
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Posted - 2012.10.30 19:53:00 -
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I only hate bad miners. |
Serf of Hurlbat
Fueling War Effort
5
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Posted - 2012.10.30 20:17:00 -
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Hypercake Mix wrote:I only hate bad miners.
I think that "miners" can be replaced with virtually any profession in EVE. There will always be people you don't like in life, however the e-bigotry that is surrounding miners is very strange and unnecessary.
I am Prencleeve Grothsmore and I seek retribution. |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
63
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Posted - 2012.10.30 20:32:00 -
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Serf of Hurlbat wrote:Hypercake Mix wrote:I only hate bad miners. I think that "miners" can be replaced with virtually any profession in EVE. There will always be people you don't like in life, however the e-bigotry that is surrounding miners is very strange and unnecessary.
The kind miner that thinks AFK mining in an Orca with mining drones is a good mining. The kind of miner that complains about not being able to get his standings up because he's having problems doing level 2 missions in a Rail Rokh.
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BAD
I'm glad his two Hulks and Raven exploded. |
Broomhilde
Brooklyn Sisters Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.10.30 20:38:00 -
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Serf of Hurlbat wrote:Hypercake Mix wrote:I only hate bad miners. I think that "miners" can be replaced with virtually any profession in EVE. There will always be people you don't like in life, however the e-bigotry that is surrounding miners is very strange and unnecessary.
I have read every post in this thread and it does appear strange indeed. Other than the afker, I cant see the reasons provided substantiating such dislike of miners. I for one actually like mining. I may check the market as I mine but have never afked. High-sec here and staying there. |
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
543
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Posted - 2012.10.30 20:53:00 -
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There once was sandpit.
Heaps of children played, grade 3's to grade 7. Ocassionally fights broke out over buckets and spades but it was not much to worry about. Sometimes the grade 7's would get silly and push over sandcastles and break the buckets but it was all good fun.
Then one day a group from the local high school turned up. A very large group. They got into the sandpit and beat the children, sparing no-one. They broke their spades. They broke their buckets. The children howled. They cried.
Because the children had no other sandpit to play in they came back next day, battered but alive and started to play. The gang arrived and the children were beaten again, each time more vicious. If the children howled they were beaten harder and harder still. This went on for weeks. The children were distraught. They were told to make their buckets stronger, to use smaller spades and they would be spared. Some tried and were beaten anyway.
The police were finally called. They arrived with batons and guns. The leader of the high school gang was taken away for being particularly nasty. He spent 30 days in jail.
While in jail he hatched a plan. He was angry. His life was a mess, his high school was a mess. Everything he touched broke. But it was not his fault. The children in the sandpit were to blame.
When he got out of jail, he and his gang went back to the sandpit. The police were still there. He and his gang won't beat or shout at the policemen because they are armed. They will take them to jail. They will hurt them.
They tried to get in the sandpit, they hurt a few more children but the children did not howl as loud. Some even laughed at the high school gang. They had new buckets and better spades. Even the policemen laughed at the gang.
Today, the high school students, less in number now, still stand outside the sandpit shouting at the children. Some of the grade 7's know they will be high school soon and have joined the high school gang. They need friends. They don't know the gang leader or why he is angry. They just shout at the small children because they think it is funny.
They are all in fact shouting at the policemen, trying to tell them their high school is broken. The policemen are trying to listen but they don't know what to do. All the high school children are yelling all at once. Blaming the children in the sand pit and yelling about their high school, all at the same time.
The children stand, not sure what to do. They just want their sandpit back. But they have been told if they get back in the sandpit that they will be beaten.
They are asking why they have to be beaten just to play in the sandpit. It's called whining. Or so the high school gang says anyway.
..oo00oo..
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
23
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Posted - 2012.10.30 20:54:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:The general sentiment amongst the saner people here is that if you decide to put yourself at risk by being afk or not tanking your ship, you should have at least enough spine to accept the possible consequences and not cry like a little female dog.
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usrevenge
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
11
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:03:00 -
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the vast majority of people have nothing against mining.
For the longest time mining ships were expensive and very easy to suicide gank in highec for almost no money, CCP fixed this and people Q_Q about it now, it was a change long needed and coming.
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in itself, the only real fault with mining is that it is boring, many things were suggested to fix it but most ruin 1 or 2 things about the task. If you make it harder, mineral prices rise, if you add silly mini games, then they cannot watch for their own safety, remove afk mining and ice products and owning a POS will be much more expensive. CCP mentioning "ring mining" feature for a future expansion, but this might have nothing to do with mining itself, but mining for moon minerals... |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:04:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:somewhat safe.
That's mostly because PvPers refuse to gank my Skiff. |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
24
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:25:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:There once was sandpit.
Heaps of children played, grade 3's to grade 7. Ocassionally fights broke out over buckets and spades but it was not much to worry about. Sometimes the grade 7's would get silly and push over sandcastles and break the buckets but it was all good fun.
:words:
They are asking why they have to be beaten just to play in the sandpit. It's called whining. Or so the high school gang says anyway.
..oo00oo..
That's an interesting analogy. However, the problem with it is that EVE isn't actually a literal sandbox. You're not supposed to just build stuff. Knocking castles down and smashing the other players is a part of the game, and that's why people complain when the 'police' prevent it from happening.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1657
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Posted - 2012.10.30 21:40:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:There once was sandpit.
Heaps of children played, grade 3's to grade 7. Ocassionally fights broke out over buckets and spades but it was not much to worry about. Sometimes the grade 7's would get silly and push over sandcastles and break the buckets but it was all good fun.
:words:
They are asking why they have to be beaten just to play in the sandpit. It's called whining. Or so the high school gang says anyway.
..oo00oo..
That's an interesting analogy. However, the problem with it is that EVE isn't actually a literal sandbox. You're not supposed to just build stuff. Knocking castles down and smashing the other players is a part of the game, and that's why people complain when the 'police' prevent it from happening.
Maybe in the expansion after the next, the "police" will take such depraved individuals away and lock them somewhere so the only "entertainment" they have is Jita Local.
It would certainly make highsec a much safer and more prosperous place, all the better for the growth of EVE Online, an internet mining barge game.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
26
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Posted - 2012.10.30 22:02:00 -
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Because miners have an infinite number of targets to shoot, that never shoot back, and always give loot.
This enrages those who fail to properly worship the loot gods and make movements to bring in prey.
OR
It is all very Freudian what with the miners drilling into asteroids and pulling out large amounts of ISK.
This enrages the PVPers who being of a conservative mindset believe such matters should not be done on such a large scale. |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
302
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Posted - 2012.10.30 23:53:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:I'm a new player.
...
What I would really like to know is why is there such frothing, swivel-eyed hate for miners?
People hate other people when they refuse to play with them the way they want. It's that simple. Think back to the sandbox in your kindergarten. Remember kids not being happy when you want to just build a big castle in the corner of the sandbox, and them trying to kick it over? That's because YOU'RE having fun, your way, without interacting with them. Makes them feel abandoned and unwanted. But when they kick down your sandcastle, you begin to interact with them, and all is well again, as far as they're concerned.
Same principle applies to every other game out there. PvEers hate PvPers, because PvP nerfs hurt PvE. PvPers hate PvEers, because they prefer the company of the artificial intelligence to the companionship of human stupidity. And so on, and so forth. It is unavoidable and inescapable. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
218
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:31:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:people who ***** about miners are ******* retards with nothing better to do. Seriously. They get mad at you for mining just because you are mining.
James315 makes his living bumping miners in highsec.
Pussies hate miners.
Schoolyard bullies are always able to pick out the weakest from the herd. Really funny that they're only big and tough on the schoolyard. |
Ranzabar
Vertical Ventures Unlimited Corp
9
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Posted - 2012.10.31 01:43:00 -
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I don't always mine, but when I do, I listen to Royksopp
Keep your expectations tiny and you won't be so winey |
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
545
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Posted - 2012.10.31 02:01:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:There once was sandpit.
Heaps of children played, grade 3's to grade 7. Ocassionally fights broke out over buckets and spades but it was not much to worry about. Sometimes the grade 7's would get silly and push over sandcastles and break the buckets but it was all good fun.
:words:
They are asking why they have to be beaten just to play in the sandpit. It's called whining. Or so the high school gang says anyway.
..oo00oo..
That's an interesting analogy. However, the problem with it is that EVE isn't actually a literal sandbox. You're not supposed to just build stuff. Knocking castles down and smashing the other players is a part of the game, and that's why people complain when the 'police' prevent it from happening.
Quietly deposited within that analogy is why the high school gang isn't beating up the kids in the sandpit at the high school? Perhaps if the highschool had "a better sandpit" then the gang have no need for the one where the little tackers are.
So much of the angst and supposed "Eve is dying" is built around an idealogy that may/may not have the relevance it once had.
Can there in fact be 2 sandpits? (someone even posted using the term "2 tier system" in another thread). Do we need to start considering that as a possibility - stepping back from the beliigerent IT MUST BE doctrine we get so used to hearing.
Is CCP already doing this inadvertently/deliberately?
Good to see an CFC poster using their brains. Refreshing. 
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
545
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Posted - 2012.10.31 02:02:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:There once was sandpit.
Heaps of children played, grade 3's to grade 7. Ocassionally fights broke out over buckets and spades but it was not much to worry about. Sometimes the grade 7's would get silly and push over sandcastles and break the buckets but it was all good fun.
:words:
They are asking why they have to be beaten just to play in the sandpit. It's called whining. Or so the high school gang says anyway.
..oo00oo..
That's an interesting analogy. However, the problem with it is that EVE isn't actually a literal sandbox. You're not supposed to just build stuff. Knocking castles down and smashing the other players is a part of the game, and that's why people complain when the 'police' prevent it from happening. Maybe in the expansion after the next, the "police" will take such depraved individuals away and lock them somewhere so the only "entertainment" they have is Jita Local. It would certainly make highsec a much safer and more prosperous place, all the better for the growth of EVE Online, an internet mining barge game.
YOU could always you know, go play something else?
Graduate?
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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