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Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:58:00 -
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CCP:
please give aggression to non-FW players who enter FW plexes.
aggression should be to the ENTIRE militia whose plex was entered.
for real....make 15 min aggression timer for non-militia entering plexes in FW.
they aren't there to sing kum-ba-ya.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
571
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Posted - 2012.10.31 21:39:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:CCP:please give aggression to ALL players who enter FW plexes.
Fixed. May be easier to implement as well. |
Julius Foederatus
Hyper-Nova
140
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Posted - 2012.10.31 22:02:00 -
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They're changing crimewatch completely when Dec 4th patch hits, just ride it out til then. Also I'm pretty sure you won't get a criminal flag by engaging a neutral in low sec, though everyone may still be able to shoot at you. |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
169
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Posted - 2012.11.06 16:48:00 -
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Upon entering a FW plex, a neutral pilot should get a 15 minute aggression timer for everyone who's in a militia. This will add a bit more risk to all the neutral alt faggotry that goes on. Everyone vs Everyone Xuixien - Space Cat, Queen of Rens |
Sheynan
Lighting the blight
111
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Posted - 2012.11.06 20:36:00 -
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Suspect flag for neutrals in a plex.
There, I solved it. |
Nayl Mkoll
Godless Horizon. WHY so Seri0Us
12
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Posted - 2012.11.06 20:43:00 -
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how about... its lowsec... shoot them |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
395
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Posted - 2012.11.06 20:57:00 -
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Nayl Mkoll wrote:how about... its lowsec... shoot them
The problem is sec status. Many FW players base out of hi sec. They do not want to lose this option because of shooting neutrals. They play for FW, not to go pirate.
In all honesty, it's a slight flaw in FW... You can shoot opposing militia, but kill too many neutrals in a warzone and concord wants to have a word with you. Plus, I don't believe FW missions and plexes improve your sec status. In the least, sec status should not be impacted by actions in FW low sec. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
283
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Posted - 2012.11.06 22:56:00 -
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no one should be with his main in fw after next expansion, just keep your alts in 2 opposing militia for getting lp and kill everyone and rats with your main. |
senior moment
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
0
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Posted - 2012.11.06 23:28:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote:CCP:please give aggression to ALL players who enter FW plexes.
Fixed. May be easier to implement as well.
+1 I support this, but would include players entering LS mission area's.
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Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
87
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Posted - 2012.11.06 23:29:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Nayl Mkoll wrote:how about... its lowsec... shoot them The problem is sec status. Many FW players base out of hi sec. They do not want to lose this option because of shooting neutrals. They play for FW, not to go pirate. In all honesty, it's a slight flaw in FW... You can shoot opposing militia, but kill too many neutrals in a warzone and concord wants to have a word with you. Plus, I don't believe FW missions and plexes improve your sec status. In the least, sec status should not be impacted by actions in FW low sec.
It's far from a "flaw" but rather the greatest aspect of FW...'free' wardec. It's lo-sec. Deal with it like everyone else. Don't want to take the sec hit? Then either do not engage or let them aggress first...
FW is the best PvP 'tool" in the game....I can go 'pie' if I want (yarrr!!!!)....I can go to dull-sec if I want (LOL!!!!!)....I can run missions if I want (snore...but hey...I like ISK too...)....I can do all that AND still shoot a crap ton of other targets without having to go GCC anywhere at anytime in all of Eve (WIN!). |
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Kazim Scumling
Judge Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2012.11.06 23:44:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:It's far from a "flaw" but rather the greatest aspect of FW...'free' wardec. It's lo-sec. Deal with it like everyone else. Don't want to take the sec hit? Then either do not engage or let them aggress first...
FW is the best PvP 'tool" in the game....I can go 'pie' if I want (yarrr!!!!)....I can go to dull-sec if I want (LOL!!!!!)....I can run missions if I want (snore...but hey...I like ISK too...)....I can do all that AND still shoot a crap ton of other targets without having to go GCC anywhere at anytime in all of Eve (WIN!).
However having aggression timer on non-FW pilots entering plexes wouldn't change these facts, would it? If you're an FW pilot you shouldn't be against such a change favoring FW pilots against pirates, I guess. |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
31
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Posted - 2012.11.06 23:48:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Many FW pubbies base out of hi sec.
fixed that for you.
Grownups live in lowsec.
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Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
87
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Posted - 2012.11.07 02:26:00 -
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Kazim Scumling wrote:Cromwell Savage wrote:It's far from a "flaw" but rather the greatest aspect of FW...'free' wardec. It's lo-sec. Deal with it like everyone else. Don't want to take the sec hit? Then either do not engage or let them aggress first...
FW is the best PvP 'tool" in the game....I can go 'pie' if I want (yarrr!!!!)....I can go to dull-sec if I want (LOL!!!!!)....I can run missions if I want (snore...but hey...I like ISK too...)....I can do all that AND still shoot a crap ton of other targets without having to go GCC anywhere at anytime in all of Eve (WIN!). However having aggression timer on non-FW pilots entering plexes wouldn't change these facts, would it? If you're an FW pilot you shouldn't be against such a change favoring FW pilots against pirates, I guess.
I am against it.
Why are FW plexes any different from any other mission/plex? What makes "us" so special that we should be granted the "easy button" and avoid having to risk GCC at any time, even in lo-sec? Why, because we are "militia" and they are "not"? Not good enough for me. Again, it is lo-sec. The "nuetral" has to go GCC to aggro you if you are not -5. Same rules apply for "you". That's how lo-sec works and that is the "risk" you take by flying in lo-sec - regardless of FW.
I fall back to my original statement. If you fly in lo-sec, you accept the "risk" of having to go GCC/being aggressed by "pirates" (obviously a -5 or greater does not induce GCC). You have two choices - engage or not to engage. If your sec status means that much to you, then you either stay in hi-sec, or you take the hit (as waiting to be shot at first is usually not wise...) and grind your sec back up. That's life in lo-sec. I see no need to change it regardless of FW. |
Dan Carter Murray
206
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Posted - 2012.11.07 05:43:00 -
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entering a plex in FW is an act of agression kind of like taking from a can outside some station in highsec is an act of aggression.
anyone who says "oh let them tackle you then you can shoot them" is delusional or only flies brawl fits with optimals in tackle range.
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Dan Carter Murray
206
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Posted - 2012.11.07 05:44:00 -
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also, who cares if the person that enteres is pirate. fight them.
it's the non-pirate faggots that enter and you shoot them and they leave that is annoying as ****.
or they enter, you tackle, they are stabbed and leave. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
340
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Posted - 2012.11.07 06:21:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:CCP:
please give aggression to non-FW players who enter FW plexes.
aggression should be to the ENTIRE militia whose plex was entered.
for real....make 15 min aggression timer for non-militia entering plexes in FW.
they aren't there to sing kum-ba-ya.
HTFU and go -5 already :D |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
1087
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Posted - 2012.11.07 07:05:00 -
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Let the neutrals shoot first. Shoot back. Kill them. Problem solved. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
63
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Posted - 2012.11.07 08:11:00 -
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I mentioned this problem previously where it apparently mattered and was basically told - 'This is Faction Warfare - not Pirate Warfare'
Big problem with that response was - I was not a pirate.
There is a constant wave of wanna be pirates who come into plexes hoping for an easy kill. FW players should not have to become pirates by default because of these spazzos.
Why not have status gain on killing the plex rats?
Concerned for newer players - I'm over worrying about sec status.
Oh yeah - why I am posting: **** ********** Dans ****** idea is really ****** sensible and *** ****** ***** would do the ************* trick ****** perfectly - I ******* think CC ******* P should do this ****.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
360
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Posted - 2012.11.07 08:14:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Let the neutrals shoot first. Shoot back. Kill them. Problem solved.
Better yet. Stop plexing. Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance
230
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Posted - 2012.11.07 13:57:00 -
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THIS.
I have been juggling my sec status. Although I live in lowsec and usually hover closely to 'pirate' status I assure you it is not due to me partcipating in blowing up neuteral people for the fun of it.
When someone enters my plex I am not going to wait for him to agress me untill I react to defend myself. Especially if I have to wait for him to scram me for example when I am in a kiting fit ship.
My philosophy is if your in my plex your their for pvp and I will initiate pvp if you are inside or even near the acceleration ate to my plex.
Sadly though the agression and GCC flag mechanics is so broad it means I take a sec status hit every time. Not that I mind but i prefer not to be full pirate sec status wise because some actions needed for fleet (for example flying logi chains) gets to be a pain when you are below -5.0
So yah CCP. This should change.
Thanks DCM We fly outgunned, We fly outnumbered. It's what we do. http://www.youtube.com/user/Flyinghotpocket/videos |
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
285
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:12:00 -
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i've been several years in militia and i have never been problems with my security status, it has never been below 0.0.
Civilians are not a problem in FW, you can avoid them if you want. Personally i use some bait alts to make them take global flag and then i kill them. |
Kazim Scumling
Judge Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:43:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:i've been several years in militia and i have never been problems with my security status, it has never been below 0.0.
Civilians are not a problem in FW, you can avoid them if you want. Personally i use some bait alts to make them take global flag and then i kill them.
Smart players always come up with workarounds, when a game mechanic does work against them. Actually those workarounds are the best proofs for that mechanic should require an improvement or a revision.
In Eve Online. Factional Warfare is the tool for relatively new players to PvP, without facing heavy consequences of other PvP options (like piracy or null-sec). I believe if we Google it out, we'll find several occasions for developers or designers to claim the same. Security Status loss is one of those heavy consequences. From my perspective, giving combat initiation dis-advantage to a FW pilot who doesn't want to loose his security status, is working against that claim.
What new FW pilots can/should do is avoid such combat within plexes by warping away immediately. And unfortunately it's working against FW. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
369
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Posted - 2012.11.07 17:30:00 -
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Sheynan wrote:Suspect flag for neutrals in a plex.
There, I solved it. Sweet and simple. Militia's are unaffected (provided CCP can sort the ally militia thing!) as we are already at war, pirates are unaffected as they already have their trenchcoats wide open .. so all live-ins are unaffected. Sweet and Simple indeed.
Nayl Mkoll wrote:how about... its lowsec... shoot them As already said, we FW monkeys are lowsec only (few high+low and even fewer null+low) while the people that are the topic of this thread primarily hail from null and have high-sec sec status from all the carebearing in NAP land .. not only that but they can reclaim any lost sec in a heartbeat whereas FW folk do not have that option .. why should people living in a given space be forced to take the sec hit or major tactical disadvantage (firing only when fired upon) to get rid of joy riders who'll be back, doing Goddess knows what null sheep do, 'home' a few hours later?
Make everyone suspect. It is already the way they are regarded so make it official! |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
360
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Posted - 2012.11.07 19:47:00 -
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Oh look. Another thread where FW people think special consideration should be given to them.
I suppose the next thing that people will suggest is incentivization of kills and plexing activities by offering monetary rewards.... Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
158
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Posted - 2012.11.07 19:58:00 -
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-10 or gtfo
Besides its loads more fun QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
42
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Posted - 2012.11.08 08:05:00 -
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More 7th Fleet tears. |
Dan Carter Murray
209
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Posted - 2012.11.08 10:00:00 -
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marketjacker wrote:More 7th Fleet tears.
Can you please make a character on one of your many accounts and call it "THE PEANUT GALLERY" and post with that please?
You can try to make your portrait identical to your current one on marketjacker if you'd like.
Another option, if "THE PEANUT GALLERY" is taken, is to make a character called "DUMBASS HIGHSCHOOLER WHO LISTENS TO DUBSTEP AND CRIES ABOUT LOSING A TENGU, BUT RARELY LOSES THEM BECAUSE HE EJECTS FROM THEM INSTEAD SINCE HE THINKS A TENGU LOSSMAIL IS THE END OF REAL LIFE AS HE KNOWS IT".
Unfortunately, I think there is a String restriction on first names and last names for characters, so you can make some variation of the above. Below are some examples:
- ILUVNANOFAGDRAKE BUTCRYWHENIGETDAMPED
- OHNOESSHIELDGONE MUSTEJECTFROMTENGU
- WAITUNTILIGRAB MYBOOSTERALTS
- YOUWILLREGRET OWNINGME
- IAMBADATSMACK TALKBUTITRYHARD
- ILOVEDUBSTEP ANDAMINHIGHSCHOOL
- IAMNOTAVIRGIN IFYOUCOUNTANAL
- RUSRUSRUSRUSRUS RUSRUSRUSRUS
- PLEASEDONOTBLOCK MEIHAVENOFRIENDS
- IHAVENOTHINGORIGINAL TOSAYUMADQQTEARSBRO
- FWISFORSCRUBS BUTIWASINFWWHENISAIDTHAT
- INEVERLOSTATENGU BUTIHAVEGIVENMANYAWAY
- IUSEMYPARENTS CREDITCARDTOBUYPLEXFORISK
- IHAVEABSOLUTELY NOIDEAWHATIAMDOING
- BASEMENTDWELLING NECKBEARD
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Corporate Management
Ghosts of Black Rise
2
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Posted - 2012.11.08 11:19:00 -
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Cromwell Savage wrote:
I am against it.
Why are FW plexes any different from any other mission/plex? What makes "us" so special that we should be granted the "easy button" and avoid having to risk GCC at any time, even in lo-sec? Why, because we are "militia" and they are "not"? Not good enough for me. Again, it is lo-sec. The "nuetral" has to go GCC to aggro you if you are not -5. Same rules apply for "you". That's how lo-sec works and that is the "risk" you take by flying in lo-sec - regardless of FW.
I fall back to my original statement. If you fly in lo-sec, you accept the "risk" of having to go GCC/being aggressed by "pirates" (obviously a -5 or greater does not induce GCC). You have two choices - engage or not to engage. If your sec status means that much to you, then you either stay in hi-sec, or you take the hit (as waiting to be shot at first is usually not wise...) and grind your sec back up. That's life in lo-sec. I see no need to change it regardless of FW.
If that is the way you feel about it, then what do you think of making it so that neutrals have to use probes to scan down a FW plex. Just like they have to do with "any other mission/plex".
I feel that if you are a neutral or an enemy to the faction that owns the plex, then you should be legally allowed to get shot at. Army posts don't just let anyone and everyone onto their posts to wander around. Why should neutral pilots be allowed into the plex with no repercussions? |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
42
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Posted - 2012.11.08 11:46:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:marketjacker wrote:More 7th Fleet tears. Can you please make a character on one of your many accounts and call it "THE PEANUT GALLERY" and post with that please? You can try to make your portrait identical to your current one on marketjacker if you'd like. Another option, if "THE PEANUT GALLERY" is taken, is to make a character called "DUMBASS HIGHSCHOOLER WHO LISTENS TO DUBSTEP AND CRIES ABOUT LOSING A TENGU, BUT RARELY LOSES THEM BECAUSE HE EJECTS FROM THEM INSTEAD SINCE HE THINKS A TENGU LOSSMAIL IS THE END OF REAL LIFE AS HE KNOWS IT". Unfortunately, I think there is a String restriction on first names and last names for characters, so you can make some variation of the above. Below are some examples:
- ILUVNANOFAGDRAKE BUTCRYWHENIGETDAMPED
- OHNOESSHIELDGONE MUSTEJECTFROMTENGU
- WAITUNTILIGRAB MYBOOSTERALTS
- YOUWILLREGRET OWNINGME
- IAMBADATSMACK TALKBUTITRYHARD
- ILOVEDUBSTEP ANDAMINHIGHSCHOOL
- IAMNOTAVIRGIN IFYOUCOUNTANAL
- RUSRUSRUSRUSRUS RUSRUSRUSRUS
- PLEASEDONOTBLOCK MEIHAVENOFRIENDS
- IHAVENOTHINGORIGINAL TOSAYUMADQQTEARSBRO
- FWISFORSCRUBS BUTIWASINFWWHENISAIDTHAT
- INEVERLOSTATENGU BUTIHAVEGIVENMANYAWAY
- IUSEMYPARENTS CREDITCARDTOBUYPLEXFORISK
- IHAVEABSOLUTELY NOIDEAWHATIAMDOING
- BASEMENTDWELLING NECKBEARD
Hahahaha tears granted.
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Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
88
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Posted - 2012.11.08 12:05:00 -
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A suspect flag does seem warranted with expansion instead of aggression flag in my opinion. Aggression flag the way I have read it is only good vs logoffskis. |
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