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Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 2001	Posted - 2012.11.01 08:28:00 - [31] - Quote The better FCs that I have flown with weren't necessarily skilled at EVE, but they were pretty darned good at entertaining the fleet and encouraging people to take stupid risks with expensive ships and clones while simultaneously keeping everyone informed and making it sound like everything was under control (nothing is ever under control). Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5427	Posted - 2012.11.01 08:31:00 - [32] - Quote Mars Theran wrote: Well, that hardly makes what I said less than generalizing does it. I mean 10 guys out of 400'000... I've been in command channels during huge stratops involving multiple subcap fleets and supercaps operating simultaneously. Each fleet has its own FC, of course, but somebody has to coordinate everything on the fly, often while running a fleet themselves. It's stressful, it requires a lot of multitasking and it requires quite a bit of skill. There are very few people in the game who can do that. ~a-áproud belligerent undesirable~
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2012.11.01 08:33:00 - [33] - Quote Hm... Comparing Sansha with pvp activity... I'm not sure what to say. Maybe one day when Sansha will learn to warp and move arond constellation, use non-beaconed safespots, utilize interdiction, abuse aggro mechanics, perform grid manipulation, recieve additional EWAR on top of neuts and ECM... Well, maybe then it'll make sense.
Rordan D'Kherr Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 138	Posted - 2012.11.01 08:53:00 - [34] - Quote Torvin Yulus wrote: people keep talking about "THE GREAT FCS" like Montolio, Malaku, and Shadew why is being able to boss around people your alliance has enslaved so special? i do incursions and the incursion fcs get the job done without yelling at people. nullsec FCs are mean arrogant crybabies who somehow got elevated to their jobs. i contend that if you can fc an incursion fcing some stupid drake blob is easy. Do some relevant nullsec FCing and come back then.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5001	Posted - 2012.11.01 08:55:00 - [35] - Quote Torvin Yulus wrote: people keep talking about "THE GREAT FCS" like Montolio, Malaku, and Shadew why is being able to boss around people your alliance has enslaved so special? i do incursions and the incursion fcs get the job done without yelling at people. nullsec FCs are mean arrogant crybabies who somehow got elevated to their jobs. i contend that if you can fc an incursion fcing some stupid drake blob is easy. You seem to have made you mind up without even getting any answers to your question. I'm honestly impressed. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5001	Posted - 2012.11.01 08:58:00 - [36] - Quote Silk daShocka wrote: Arduemont wrote: People often say I am one of the calmest FCs they'll ever fly with, but sometimes you need to get a little bitchy with people, because sometimes one persons mistakes can kill the whole fleet. Usually the FCs mistake. Kind of hard to get bitchy with them though, ego and all. If there's one thing that will get fleet members killed quicker than any FC error, it's when the fleet members start backbiting and backseat driving.. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Liafcipe9000 Smeghead Empire 82	Posted - 2012.11.01 09:23:00 - [37] - Quote Gussarde en Welle wrote: trolltacular c-c-c-combo breaker!!
Silk daShocka Greasy Hair Club 52	Posted - 2012.11.01 09:33:00 - [38] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Silk daShocka wrote: Arduemont wrote: People often say I am one of the calmest FCs they'll ever fly with, but sometimes you need to get a little bitchy with people, because sometimes one persons mistakes can kill the whole fleet. Usually the FCs mistake. Kind of hard to get bitchy with them though, ego and all. If there's one thing that will get fleet members killed quicker than any FC error, it's when the fleet members start backbiting and backseat driving.. Backseat driving = telling the FC what he's doing wrong? Sounds like an ego issue, i'm the driver not you! Either way pretty much all the fleets I've been in people have followed orders rather well. My point was that with these FCs that think getting bitchy with people is a solution to the problems which they are presented with, are usually the same people that don't take criticism very well.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance 182	Posted - 2012.11.01 09:33:00 - [39] - Quote Torvin Yulus wrote: people keep talking about "THE GREAT FCS" like Montolio, Malaku, and Shadew why is being able to boss around people your alliance has enslaved so special? i do incursions and the incursion fcs get the job done without yelling at people. nullsec FCs are mean arrogant crybabies who somehow got elevated to their jobs. i contend that if you can fc an incursion fcing some stupid drake blob is easy. I'm looking forward to shoot at fleets led by you, since FCing is so easy for you and NPC shooting is the same as shooting real players.
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy 1070	Posted - 2012.11.01 09:37:00 - [40] - Quote Torvin Yulus wrote: people keep talking about "THE GREAT FCS" like Montolio, Malaku, and Shadew why is being able to boss around people your alliance has enslaved so special? i do incursions and the incursion fcs get the job done without yelling at people. nullsec FCs are mean arrogant crybabies who somehow got elevated to their jobs. i contend that if you can fc an incursion fcing some stupid drake blob is easy. Your right, FCing against a few dozen predictable NPC with bad AI as far FAR harder than FCing 250 people against another 250 (or more people) in varied fleet compositions, unknown variables and with your very sovereign space at stake. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 329	Posted - 2012.11.01 10:08:00 - [41] - Quote Terajima Kazumi wrote: This is the first I've heard 'Makalu' and 'good FC' in the same sentence. What about "Makalu is not a good FC"? I've heard that a lot from you guys. On topic even though OP is a massive troll, and not even an interesting one at that, he is sort of right about the drama queen element. A lot of FCs tend to have this big outgoing personality, and across Null Sec it is most often these alliance level FCs that end up doing something or throwing a fit which leads to wars because of Falcon. Though I have to say I did "LOL" when I saw Montolio being mentioned as a good FC. You need to log into EVE for that, whereas he just controls the HBC like a puppet master over the forums and Jabber. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Gibbo5771 AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 30	Posted - 2012.11.01 10:26:00 - [42] - Quote Mars Theran wrote: You guys shouldn't knock PVE FCs so much. It takes a great deal of skill to do that as well, when it comes to Sleeper AI in particular. Remembering every spawn, which ships do what, and which to take down first in every potential site and class of wormhole is no small thing. Sleeper AI is also a lot less predictable than NPC AI atm; though that difference may not be so great in the near future. [/i] Are you fkin serious? Tag, web, primary, repeat. There is NOTHING hard about "FC'in" a pve fleet, NOTHING. Also there is a massive difference when FC'in 10-50 people opposed to 500-800 people. Small gangs require skills and coordination, much large gangs just require a good scout and warp in while some guy shouts shoot that, then this, then this guy next, everyone align, warp we are dieing, regorup, retry, fail again. Dont even need tackle half the time since the primary instapops.
Dave stark Black Nova Corp. R O G U E 505	Posted - 2012.11.01 10:29:00 - [43] - Quote i would try and explain what a good FC is, but i've never seen one. when i was in the south of null fleets were "dock up and wait for the bad men to get bored and go away" when i was in the west it was "jump clone to the south and see if they undock", which, of course they didn't so then you're stuck in hostile territory with **** all to do until your jump clone cooldown ends so generally i didn't even bother trying to join fleets. i genuinely have no idea what people enjoy about fleet fights in null, there's absolutely nothing interesting about them. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Rordan D'Kherr Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 139	Posted - 2012.11.01 10:33:00 - [44] - Quote Dave stark wrote: i would try and explain what a good FC is, but i've never seen one. when i was in the south of null fleets were "dock up and wait for the bad men to get bored and go away" when i was in the west it was "jump clone to the south and see if they undock", which, of course they didn't so then you're stuck in hostile territory with **** all to do until your jump clone cooldown ends so generally i didn't even bother trying to join fleets. i genuinely have no idea what people enjoy about fleet fights in null, there's absolutely nothing interesting about them. Try North, I hear there are good fights...
Dave stark Black Nova Corp. R O G U E 505	Posted - 2012.11.01 10:37:00 - [45] - Quote Rordan D'Kherr wrote: Dave stark wrote: i would try and explain what a good FC is, but i've never seen one. when i was in the south of null fleets were "dock up and wait for the bad men to get bored and go away" when i was in the west it was "jump clone to the south and see if they undock", which, of course they didn't so then you're stuck in hostile territory with **** all to do until your jump clone cooldown ends so generally i didn't even bother trying to join fleets. i genuinely have no idea what people enjoy about fleet fights in null, there's absolutely nothing interesting about them. Try North, I hear there are good fights... moving to null, buying new ships, having cloaky campers in the system all the time etc... i really doubt it's worth the effort. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 129	Posted - 2012.11.01 10:45:00 - [46] - Quote Deleted a post for personal attacks. You can keep this thread clean and about discussing the difficulties and challenges of being an FC without resorting to name calling. CCP Eterne \| Community Representative @CCP_Eterne

Rordan D'Kherr Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 139	Posted - 2012.11.01 10:46:00 - [47] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Rordan D'Kherr wrote: Dave stark wrote: i would try and explain what a good FC is, but i've never seen one. when i was in the south of null fleets were "dock up and wait for the bad men to get bored and go away" when i was in the west it was "jump clone to the south and see if they undock", which, of course they didn't so then you're stuck in hostile territory with **** all to do until your jump clone cooldown ends so generally i didn't even bother trying to join fleets. i genuinely have no idea what people enjoy about fleet fights in null, there's absolutely nothing interesting about them. Try North, I hear there are good fights... moving to null, buying new ships, having cloaky campers in the system all the time etc... i really doubt it's worth the effort. Just read the latest battle reports, dude.
Dave stark Black Nova Corp. R O G U E 505	Posted - 2012.11.01 11:00:00 - [48] - Quote Rordan D'Kherr wrote: Dave stark wrote: Rordan D'Kherr wrote: Dave stark wrote: i would try and explain what a good FC is, but i've never seen one. when i was in the south of null fleets were "dock up and wait for the bad men to get bored and go away" when i was in the west it was "jump clone to the south and see if they undock", which, of course they didn't so then you're stuck in hostile territory with **** all to do until your jump clone cooldown ends so generally i didn't even bother trying to join fleets. i genuinely have no idea what people enjoy about fleet fights in null, there's absolutely nothing interesting about them. Try North, I hear there are good fights... moving to null, buying new ships, having cloaky campers in the system all the time etc... i really doubt it's worth the effort. Just read the latest battle reports, dude. so nc. and friend lost a lot of ships, and cfc re-enforced another tower. sounds terribly dull and nobody really achieved anything there. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 611	Posted - 2012.11.01 11:21:00 - [49] - Quote So Torvin, did you get bored of trolling with the communist thing, or what?
Schalac Apocalypse Reign 111	Posted - 2012.11.01 11:22:00 - [50] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: Look at all the people who have never been in a large 0.0 fleet, much less FCed one, talking crap about FCs. "Why are army generals so special, they sit in an office and order people around all day, while the soldiers do all the dirty work." After being in the army for many years I can say without a doubt that a great portion of officers are semi-********. This includes generals. I would say that what people are talking about though is not actually fleet commanding. I'm am thinking they are talking about target calling, which is a skill that will make or break your fleet and some of the best FCs don't even do that. They have others call the targets.

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1682	Posted - 2012.11.01 12:16:00 - [51] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Rordan D'Kherr wrote: Just read the latest battle reports, dude. so nc. and friend lost a lot of ships, and cfc re-enforced another tower. sounds terribly dull and nobody really achieved anything there. It was pretty fun, and we're going to have some more fun with them before it's all over. Always good to see that threatening a CSAA gets all the reds out to fight. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji 671	Posted - 2012.11.01 12:26:00 - [52] - Quote Torvin Yulus wrote: nullsec FCs are mean arrogant crybabies who somehow got elevated to their jobs. i contend that if you can fc an incursion fcing some stupid drake blob is easy. So do it. And when you get your fleet whelped, then you'll understand.
Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 333	Posted - 2012.11.01 12:33:00 - [53] - Quote Gibbo5771 wrote: Also there is a massive difference when FC'in 10-50 people opposed to 500-800 people. Small gangs can rely on members to take the initiative a bit, FCs can ask gang members for opinions etc. In a 256 man drake fleet you don't want your guys thinking for themselves, you want them to do what you tell them to. For this reason I've always felt in bigger fights the onus is a lot more on the FC to perform well. In a small gang a poor FC can be made up for by really good pilots knowing what they need to do. In a big fleet scenario the rest of the fleet is pretty much an extension of the FC's own ship. There's a lot more pressure on that FC then in a small gang imo. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
forestwho Foonfleet Investment Banking 32	Posted - 2012.11.01 12:37:00 - [54] - Quote Fc+¡ng is herding sheeps. But problem is that the human sheeps can think and anticipate. This requires leadership and great social skills combined with calmness ect. The personal skill set is completely differant than fc+¡ng incursions. Add entire game knowlage and risk that 1 mistake can whelp the entire fleet. So 0.0 fc's are special cupcakes. Being special and knowing your are gives you power whitch makes you arrogant. Its not easy, completly differant and takes lots of hours and selfreflection to be concidered 'avargae to good"
Dasola Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire 73	Posted - 2012.11.01 12:44:00 - [55] - Quote Well things go to yelling usually when it starts to crumble.. IE. something totally unexpected happens and people stop listening in all chaos that ensues. Some fc-¦s responce to this is more volume, ie. Yelling... Personally i believe most people can learn how to be good FC. But only few actually has interest to pursue that path. [Insert something funny or smart here]
Dave stark Black Nova Corp. R O G U E 505	Posted - 2012.11.01 12:51:00 - [56] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Dave stark wrote: Rordan D'Kherr wrote: Just read the latest battle reports, dude. so nc. and friend lost a lot of ships, and cfc re-enforced another tower. sounds terribly dull and nobody really achieved anything there. It was pretty fun, and we're going to have some more fun with them before it's all over. Always good to see that threatening a CSAA gets all the reds out to fight. i think i have a jump clone in the area, i really should jump down and see what all the fuss is about i guess. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 961	Posted - 2012.11.01 13:18:00 - [57] - Quote Torvin Yulus wrote: "THE GREAT FCS" like Malaku Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5002	Posted - 2012.11.01 13:55:00 - [58] - Quote Silk daShocka wrote: Malcanis wrote: Silk daShocka wrote: Arduemont wrote: People often say I am one of the calmest FCs they'll ever fly with, but sometimes you need to get a little bitchy with people, because sometimes one persons mistakes can kill the whole fleet. Usually the FCs mistake. Kind of hard to get bitchy with them though, ego and all. If there's one thing that will get fleet members killed quicker than any FC error, it's when the fleet members start backbiting and backseat driving.. Backseat driving = telling the FC what he's doing wrong? Sounds like an ego issue, i'm the driver not you! Either way pretty much all the fleets I've been in people have followed orders rather well. My point was that with these FCs that think getting bitchy with people is a solution to the problems which they are presented with, are usually the same people that don't take criticism very well. I bet it's a real treat having you as a passenger. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Ginger Barbarella State War Academy Caldari State 221	Posted - 2012.11.01 13:58:00 - [59] - Quote Torvin Yulus wrote: people keep talking about "THE GREAT FCS" like Montolio, Malaku, and Shadew why is being able to boss around people your alliance has enslaved so special? i do incursions and the incursion fcs get the job done without yelling at people. nullsec FCs are mean arrogant crybabies who somehow got elevated to their jobs. i contend that if you can fc an incursion fcing some stupid drake blob is easy. Until you've flown with a truly good FC you'll never know how remarkably bad most are. Best FCs I've ever flown under were in Minnie FW, and the worst I've ever flown with (with one exception) were in Minnie FW.
Ginger Barbarella State War Academy Caldari State 221	Posted - 2012.11.01 13:59:00 - [60] - Quote Gibbo5771 wrote: Are you fkin serious? Tag, web, primary, repeat. There is NOTHING hard about "FC'in" a pve fleet, NOTHING. Also there is a massive difference when FC'in 10-50 people opposed to 500-800 people. Small gangs require skills and coordination, much large gangs just require a good scout and warp in while some guy shouts shoot that, then this, then this guy next, everyone align, warp we are dieing, regorup, retry, fail again. Dont even need tackle half the time since the primary instapops. This.



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