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Tiberius StarGazer
Caldari Gallente Concordance
8
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:13:00 -
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I was watching Sir Livingstones latest installment of his null sec tour and he mentions a station in nullsec which is classed as a null sec trade hub and that people should ship there and make bundles of profit...
At first this revelation was music to my ears, I do a lot of low sec running as it is for my current corp and trade activities... but then I started thinking more and more about it about how can a trade hub even exsist in null sec?
And while this one is on the over side of the galaxy to where I normally operate it got me wondering, are there any other trade hubs? and even if there was, how profitable can such a place be when, with no doubt there is probably little to no trade possible.
I would like to be proven wrong, and I have no qualms about running a bit of risk to make the extra ISK, but somehow I can't help but feel that nullsec trading is like walking into the worst part of town with your rolex watch on and your wallet stuffed with money sticking out of your back pocket while waving a 50 at the teller of the local macdonalds when there is probably little reason for you to be buying a meal from there in the first place. |

Alice Saki
16037
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:14:00 -
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Sort of.... You won't find everything... oh and we're talking NPC Null GD or Bust.
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Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
55
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:14:00 -
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VFK
There are others as well.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1015
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:14:00 -
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There are lots. At least one is bigger than most hisec hubs. And you don't think we all fly to Jita every time we need a ship do you? Tons of ISK to be made. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
122
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:16:00 -
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Alliances that are co-ordinated and wealthy enough can build an Outpost
That then atleast enables trading to occur between those with docking rights
Check DOTLAN for OP construction values, should give you a rough idea of the base level trade available. |

Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
55
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:16:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:There are lots. At least one is bigger than most hisec hubs. And you don't think we all fly to Jita every time we need a ship do you? Tons of ISK to be made.
The biggest one is the smaller than hek, so no none are bigger than most hisec hubs, unless you mean the hi sec hubs that no one uses. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2574
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:16:00 -
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K6 is so well stocked I am frequently shocked when I find modules no one really uses on the market. Many prices beat Jita as well.
Oh, and when TEST is not deployed, K6 tends to have a larger population (and better prices) than Dodixie. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
755
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:16:00 -
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VFK is a very well stocked trade hub, about the only thing you can't get locally is Marauders, and we generally don't use those anyways.
Generally whatever location we are staging out of becomes a temporary trade hub as well. I know I was able to completely fit out several hulls from the local market.
But will you be able to access this hub in any meaningful form? No. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1015
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:18:00 -
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Silk daShocka wrote:KrakizBad wrote:There are lots. At least one is bigger than most hisec hubs. And you don't think we all fly to Jita every time we need a ship do you? Tons of ISK to be made. The biggest one is the smaller than hek, so no none are bigger than most hisec hubs, unless you mean the hi sec hubs that no one uses. That is precisely what I meant. They seem to call 'hubs' systems with less in them than VFK, idk, crazy hiseccers. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Beckie DeLey
Living From Scraps
137
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:20:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:I was watching Sir Livingstones latest installment of his null sec tour and he mentions a station in nullsec which is classed as a null sec trade hub and that people should ship there and make bundles of profit...
At first this revelation was music to my ears, I do a lot of low sec running as it is for my current corp and trade activities... but then I started thinking more and more about it about how can a trade hub even exsist in null sec?
And while this one is on the over side of the galaxy to where I normally operate it got me wondering, are there any other trade hubs? and even if there was, how profitable can such a place be when, with no doubt there is probably little to no trade possible.
I would like to be proven wrong, and I have no qualms about running a bit of risk to make the extra ISK, but somehow I can't help but feel that nullsec trading is like walking into the worst part of town with your rolex watch on and your wallet stuffed with money sticking out of your back pocket while waving a 50 at the teller of the local macdonalds when there is probably little reason for you to be buying a meal from there in the first place.
Your general perception of nullsec seems to be wrong. It's really not much of a wild west out there, no matter what people like to tell you. Plenty of Iterons making their tours, for example. Well, those of the locals, at least.
Basically, trade happens between allies and if you are on the 'inside', your job is actually pretty safe. It's The Legendary Extraordinary Me |
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
329
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:26:00 -
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All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub.
The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita.
Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2576
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Posted - 2012.11.02 00:41:00 -
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Skydell wrote:All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub.
The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita.
Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming.
Tell that to TEST, you lose ISK on most modules when importing. Many TEST prices are below Jita. The reason for this is because TEST has been well stocked for ages, and there are huge stockpiles of goods competing with each other on their own market. Also, Nullsec PI results in PI goods going for nearly 25-30% below Jita prices. The reason you don't see tons of people abusing this and just shipping everything to highsec is because A) not everyone has a JF and B) hiring a JF cuts into profit margins. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5003
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:00:00 -
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The G-0/HLW area in Curse is generally pretty well stocked. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5430
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:30:00 -
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Skydell wrote:All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub.
The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita.
Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming.
you're really showing your market acumen here, thanks for pointing out that moving things via jump freighter is free ~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~ |

Cherry Delight
14th Legion Eternal Evocations
0
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:43:00 -
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>>HED-GP |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
448
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:47:00 -
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Andski wrote:Skydell wrote:All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub.
The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita.
Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming. you're really showing your market acumen here, thanks for pointing out that moving things via jump freighter is free son of *****, I've been paying to ship full freighters every couple days.
**** goon scams. |

Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
332
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:48:00 -
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Andski wrote:Skydell wrote:All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub.
The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita.
Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming. you're really showing your market acumen here, thanks for pointing out that moving things via jump freighter is free
Twist it some more.
Twist it how ever you want.
Now do us all a favor and go choke on your own vomit |

usrevenge
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
27
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:13:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:K6 is so well stocked I am frequently shocked when I find modules no one really uses on the market. Many prices beat Jita as well.
Oh, and when TEST is not deployed, K6 tends to have a larger population (and better prices) than Dodixie.
this, when I joined test I was surprised at how simple it was to fit a ship... though, there were no noctis for salvaging for a while.. but a few days later there were like 5. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5455
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:56:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Twist it some more.
Twist it how ever you want.
Now do us all a favor and go choke on your own vomit
Twisting the knife is always fun, yes. ~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~ |

Ammzi
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
1060
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:09:00 -
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Skydell wrote:All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub.
The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita.
Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming.
Neutrals and hostiles can easily buy from a market remotely and sell without needing to dock. That pretty much voids your statement on everything else in this entire thread. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1378
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:18:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Skydell wrote:All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub.
The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita.
Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming. Tell that to TEST, you lose ISK on most modules when importing. Many TEST prices are below Jita. The reason for this is because TEST has been well stocked for ages, and there are huge stockpiles of goods competing with each other on their own market. Also, Nullsec PI results in PI goods going for nearly 25-30% below Jita prices. The reason you don't see tons of people abusing this and just shipping everything to highsec is because A) not everyone has a JF and B) hiring a JF cuts into profit margins. That was informative. I always wondered how the markets worked in those null stations where they have like 10,000 med shield boosters at just below Jita prices (I check many fairly regularly). They don't work. But I totally understand why they do it... keeps PvPing for members cheap and easy. I just wondered how members could get into the local market around their stations and build/sell stuff. I guess they can't. 20-35% though??? I'd JF that in a heartbeat... but you would need an alt to go to that null sec station and remote buy all that stuff, then the guy who can dock would have to JF it out, give it back to the alt for sale, and then jump back so no one noticed his JF just happened to go missing when the market got cleared. That's a lot of hoops to jump through, and if you get caught it would probably be frowned upon since it's against the organizational interest, so it may not be worth it. I guess it just depends on what kind of volume you're talking about.
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Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
153
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:16:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:I was watching Sir Livingstones latest installment of his null sec tour and he mentions a station in nullsec which is classed as a null sec trade hub and that people should ship there and make bundles of profit...
At first this revelation was music to my ears, I do a lot of low sec running as it is for my current corp and trade activities... but then I started thinking more and more about it about how can a trade hub even exsist in null sec?
And while this one is on the over side of the galaxy to where I normally operate it got me wondering, are there any other trade hubs? and even if there was, how profitable can such a place be when, with no doubt there is probably little to no trade possible.
I would like to be proven wrong, and I have no qualms about running a bit of risk to make the extra ISK, but somehow I can't help but feel that nullsec trading is like walking into the worst part of town with your rolex watch on and your wallet stuffed with money sticking out of your back pocket while waving a 50 at the teller of the local macdonalds when there is probably little reason for you to be buying a meal from there in the first place. You won't really be able to do any importing into player-owned outposts, they almost always have docking rights restricted to corps/alliances with +5 standings, and in some cases, even +10.
As a neutral flying into null in a freighter, jump freighter, or hauler, you can be guaranteed you'll light up the intel channels and a gang will come after you. Never mind "waving a 50" at the cashier at the "local macdonalds"... even if you make it to a player owned outpost in null, the door will be locked per say on account of you not having the standings to dock.
Your best bet really is to join an industrial corp in a null-sec alliance (or a corp that just has decent industrial policy). Alternatively you can join a renter corp who usually have wide access to other outposts where you can sell your product. Solar Citizens for example can freely access nearly all outposts in the Drone Regions.
One of the most utterly crappy downsides for null-sec manufacturing is the hard limit one outpost per system, unlike high-sec where there are 4-5 per system. So, null-sec is hugely and in my opinion unfairly disadvantaged in this regard. Yeah, you can put manufacturing arrays on moons, but then there's the whole issue of keeping the POSes fueled. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1697
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Posted - 2012.11.02 06:35:00 -
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We already know to avoid manufacturing things besides supercapitals and the like in nullsec.
Jump Freighter services are really a wonderful thing. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
53
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Posted - 2012.11.02 07:45:00 -
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You could make NPC space trade hubs for people living close by. There is also Providence which is NRDS NullSec where you could choose a station and stock it as a hub, there is a lot of money to be made in Provi for people willing to stock the stations there. 3KB has a nice selection of stuff but is far from being a hub. "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |

Akrasjel Lanate
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
799
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:15:00 -
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Yea, to some extend. |

Oaiso
21
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:22:00 -
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The best and most interesting thing when it comes to trade in 0.0 is to go to alliance hubs in a cloaky (you can't dock but with trade skill you don't have to) you buy up all the cheap goods which they often stock for their members. Then you resell them at huge mark-ups.
You can make a huge amount of profit.
It makes them incredibly buttmad, it's great. I've been on Jabber in their industry rooms, all they seem to talk about is how buttmad they are at people who do this. It is honestly, maximum market griefing.
Warning:
They'll continue to try to restock, so you just have to buy those up to. Luckily you'll have help in taking the cheap stuff off the market by other people doing the same as you. |

Oaiso
21
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:24:00 -
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VFK it would be harder to do it at, 6VDT slightly easier
It depends on the size of the alliance. Small ones you can cripple by doing this. Just explore around in your cloaky until you find the right one |

Kaylyis
Line Ark Security Armaments LockJaw Inc.
39
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:25:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
Alternatively you can join a renter corp
I think I threw up in my mouth a little. |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
153
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Posted - 2012.11.02 09:34:00 -
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Kaylyis wrote:Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
Alternatively you can join a renter corp
I think I threw up in my mouth a little. If the guy's an industrialist, it could accommodate his playstyle. No demands for CTAs, or day-to-day drama and political bullsh-t. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
403
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Posted - 2012.11.02 09:39:00 -
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Null-sec trade hubs don't exist, null-sec retail outlets do. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
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Terminal Insanity
Suicides-R-Us BricK sQuAD.
687
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Posted - 2012.11.02 09:40:00 -
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Each alliance usually has a 0.0 system they 'base' out of. Some corps have their own mini-hubs as well.
Usually these are not open to the general public. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |

Lord Zim
1924
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Posted - 2012.11.02 09:55:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Andski wrote:Skydell wrote:All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub.
The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita.
Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming. you're really showing your market acumen here, thanks for pointing out that moving things via jump freighter is free Twist it some more. Twist it how ever you want. "Telling the truth" is "twisting it"?
I'll never understand the logic of some people.
Skydell wrote:Now do us all a favor and go choke on your own vomit Now, now, I know you see the word "goon" and your eyes glaze over in a fit of rage, but that's no reason to demand that someone kill themselves with their own vomit. For shame. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |

Kaylyis
Line Ark Security Armaments LockJaw Inc.
39
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:56:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:[ If the guy's an industrialist, it could accommodate his playstyle. No demands for CTAs, or day-to-day drama and political bullsh-t.
True. I was just having a knee-jerk reaction to the whole "renting" thing. I have a powerful aversion to turning my internet spaceships I do for fun into a farming, grinding job to pay for the privilege of playing the game
Its why I've decided to actually pay for my accounts rather than grinding ISK for PLEX |

Kaylyis
Line Ark Security Armaments LockJaw Inc.
39
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:57:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: Now, now, I know you see the word "goon" and your eyes glaze over in a fit of rage, but that's no reason to demand that someone kill themselves with their own vomit. For shame.
Quit making me agree with the goon. we're supposed to hate these guys with all the venom and bile we can muster, remember?
Part of the forum social contract or something like that.  |

Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
399
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:03:00 -
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all the staging systems in 00 are in great demand of:
- ships of all relevant doctrines the alliance uses - modules to fit said ships - ammunition for said ships - all kinds of ammunition for ratting ships - fuel - cynoships - popular solo/smallscale ships - popular modules
all other systems in 00 are in demand of (notice the missing "great") - all kinds of ammunition for popular ratting ships - cynoships - fuel
you need a man inside to stock the market though.
90%+ of this stuff is produced and/or bought in highsec and then shipped there via JFs. sad but true |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1035
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:07:00 -
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Oaiso wrote:The best and most interesting thing when it comes to trade in 0.0 is to go to alliance hubs in a cloaky (you can't dock but with trade skill you don't have to) you buy up all the cheap goods which they often stock for their members. Then you resell them at huge mark-ups.
You can make a huge amount of profit.
It makes them incredibly buttmad, it's great. I've been on Jabber in their industry rooms, all they seem to talk about is how buttmad they are at people who do this. It is honestly, maximum market griefing.
Warning:
They'll continue to try to restock, so you just have to buy those up to. Luckily you'll have help in taking the cheap stuff off the market by other people doing the same as you. FYI, only the line members get mad at this. Those of us who actually stock the market count our profits and reseed. So, thanks I guess. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Kaylyis
Line Ark Security Armaments LockJaw Inc.
39
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:21:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote: FYI, only the line members get mad at this. Those of us who actually stock the market count our profits and reseed. So, thanks I guess.
Thats freaking hilarious. has it ever occurred to the line members to send an EVEmail to their favorite indy with specific requests for items they want at the good prices that said indy makes?
I mean yeah it takes a little more effort to set up a contract, but guaranteed customers is guaranteed customers.
Edit: And it leaves the would-be market-warriors holding a bag of junk they probably only wanted for tear harvesting. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1035
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:27:00 -
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Kaylyis wrote:KrakizBad wrote: FYI, only the line members get mad at this. Those of us who actually stock the market count our profits and reseed. So, thanks I guess.
Thats freaking hilarious. has it ever occurred to the line members to send an EVEmail to their favorite indy with specific requests for items they want at the good prices that said indy makes? I mean yeah it takes a little more effort to set up a contract, but guaranteed customers is guaranteed customers. Edit: And it leaves the would-be market-warriors holding a bag of junk they probably only wanted for tear harvesting. Yeah, it's done. Usually at corp level though, not alliance or coalition wide. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Kaylyis
Line Ark Security Armaments LockJaw Inc.
39
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:29:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote: Yeah, it's done. Usually at corp level though, not alliance or coalition wide.
sucks if you're in a corp that doesn't accept Indys then, innit? |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
496
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:30:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Yeah, it's done. Usually at corp level though, not alliance or coalition wide.
This. Alliance/Coalition wide indys are kind of rare for the purpose proposed. Corps will usually have someone who does a Jita run once in a while for stuff. Alliances, if well enough established and trusting, will do that as well. I had an indy in my nul alliance who got ridiculously good prices on command ships.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1035
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:31:00 -
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Kaylyis wrote:KrakizBad wrote: Yeah, it's done. Usually at corp level though, not alliance or coalition wide.
sucks if you're in a corp that doesn't accept Indys then, innit? I'm not sure what you mean. Every corp in null needs markets seeded somehow, so pretty much every corp has a few guys who do it. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Kaylyis
Line Ark Security Armaments LockJaw Inc.
39
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:33:00 -
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Anslo wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Yeah, it's done. Usually at corp level though, not alliance or coalition wide. This. Alliance/Coalition wide indys are kind of rare for the purpose proposed. Corps will usually have someone who does a Jita run once in a while for stuff. Alliances, if well enough established and trusting, will do that as well. I had an indy in my nul alliance who got ridiculously good prices on command ships.
and if I had regular enough customers I'd do more with industrial.
But right now it's more of a hobby. Build ammo and sell when I want a chill day, or build a freighter when I want to be antisocial. but mostly building my own ships to pad my loss mail counts. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
489
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:40:00 -
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Kaylyis wrote:KrakizBad wrote: FYI, only the line members get mad at this. Those of us who actually stock the market count our profits and reseed. So, thanks I guess.
Thats freaking hilarious. has it ever occurred to the line members to send an EVEmail to their favorite indy with specific requests for items they want at the good prices that said indy makes? I mean yeah it takes a little more effort to set up a contract, but guaranteed customers is guaranteed customers. Edit: And it leaves the would-be market-warriors holding a bag of junk they probably only wanted for tear harvesting. Because the indy guy gets good prices on the market.
If you want to come to VFK and buyout the stuff I have on the market to repost, that's fine. If I wasn't making a profit at the price it's listed for, then I wouldn't have listed it. It's not hard to prevent someone from exploiting your market if they're buying up stuff to resell, if you put it up the first time and made a profit, just put more up.
If someone asks me to make them something, or if I have backstock of something that I could sell to them for less than it's going for on the market because they want it in bulk, I'd be happy to do that for a fellow goon. However, if that request is consuming a production line, and all of my stock; while making me less profit then the quantity would have to be scaled back.
I do what I do to make ISK afterall, and that isk gets redistributed back into the local economy through the purchase of materials and supply. Unfotunately a large portion of the isk I make is getting dumped back into high sec through the absolute need to import a crapton of stuff to stay competetive. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
489
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:44:00 -
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Anslo wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Yeah, it's done. Usually at corp level though, not alliance or coalition wide. This. Alliance/Coalition wide indys are kind of rare for the purpose proposed. Corps will usually have someone who does a Jita run once in a while for stuff. Alliances, if well enough established and trusting, will do that as well. I had an indy in my nul alliance who got ridiculously good prices on command ships. It's all dependant upon the size of the corp/ alliance.
If you're a small corp/ alliance living in null, you won't have the manpower to develop a large enough market to support industrial work in your systems.
It takes more than a handful of people to develop a local economy that is based on indy. Sometimes I feel like people who complain about the size of alliances in null don't grasp this. **** doesn't work with only a few hundred people, it requires thousands working in a secure area.
The GSF has corps that do nothing but indy work. The only people that need to rely enitrely on Jita are corps that don't have the personel resources to not to. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
489
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:45:00 -
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Kaylyis wrote:
and if I had regular enough customers I'd do more with industrial.
But right now it's more of a hobby. Build ammo and sell when I want a chill day, or build a freighter when I want to be antisocial. but mostly building my own ships to pad my loss mail counts.
The first sentence says it all.
This is one of the reason many null guys want more people to come play in null with us, more customers. |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
496
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:46:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Anslo wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Yeah, it's done. Usually at corp level though, not alliance or coalition wide. This. Alliance/Coalition wide indys are kind of rare for the purpose proposed. Corps will usually have someone who does a Jita run once in a while for stuff. Alliances, if well enough established and trusting, will do that as well. I had an indy in my nul alliance who got ridiculously good prices on command ships. It's all dependant upon the size of the corp/ alliance. If you're a small corp/ alliance living in null, you won't have the manpower to develop a large enough market to support industrial work in your systems. It takes more than a handful of people to develop a local economy that is based on indy. Sometimes I feel like people who complain about the size of alliances in null don't grasp this. **** doesn't work with only a few hundred people, it requires thousands working in a secure area. The GSF has corps that do nothing but indy work. The only people that need to rely enitrely on Jita are corps that don't have the personel resources to not to.
I was referring to the smaller groups. I should have clarified sorry. But yes smaller alliances tend to need JF's and such as opposed to autonomous entities like CFC.
But I agree, seeding a true and blue local economy is no laughing matter. I and a few others tried to seed a high missioner low market highsec region once. Good business but stupid hard to keep orders flowing. Sales were too fast.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
1035
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:48:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Sales were too fast. No joke, I've watched 4 hours of serious logistics disappear within 5 min of a major fleet loss. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
496
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:50:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Anslo wrote:Sales were too fast. No joke, I've watched 4 hours of serious logistics disappear within 5 min of a major fleet loss.
You get the same in high sec areas without markets. I didn't complain about the isk but holy crap, ravenous wolves they are O_o You lot must have it even worse with thousands of ships being lost. You've my condolences lol.
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Kaylyis
Line Ark Security Armaments LockJaw Inc.
39
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Posted - 2012.11.02 18:51:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Kaylyis wrote:
and if I had regular enough customers I'd do more with industrial.
But right now it's more of a hobby. Build ammo and sell when I want a chill day, or build a freighter when I want to be antisocial. but mostly building my own ships to pad my loss mail counts.
The first sentence says it all. This is one of the reason many null guys want more people to come play in null with us, more customers.
And the reason why more like me dont come to null has little to do with the normally cited answers. Has more to do with being a pickjy bastard who doesn't want to simply join the first group that says we're hiring. I run incursions mostly with nullseccers on alts, so I'm trying to figure out who's out there, who aren't complete lunatic micromanagers, and who aren't likely to fold up and die.
But unfortunately people who are picky and take their time so they don't get things like the recruitment fee scams are the ones most likely to be flagged as potential spies. So I'm playing the patience game, learning and waiting. Until then, shooting sanshas and building bullets. |

Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
333
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Posted - 2012.11.03 02:16:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Skydell wrote:Andski wrote:Skydell wrote:All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub.
The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita.
Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming. you're really showing your market acumen here, thanks for pointing out that moving things via jump freighter is free Twist it some more. Twist it how ever you want. "Telling the truth" is "twisting it"? I'll never understand the logic of some people. Skydell wrote:Now do us all a favor and go choke on your own vomit Now, now, I know you see the word "goon" and your eyes glaze over in a fit of rage, but that's no reason to demand that someone kill themselves with their own vomit. For shame.
I asked nice. |
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