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Tiberius StarGazer Caldari Gallente Concordance 8	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:13:00 - [1] - Quote I was watching Sir Livingstones latest installment of his null sec tour and he mentions a station in nullsec which is classed as a null sec trade hub and that people should ship there and make bundles of profit... At first this revelation was music to my ears, I do a lot of low sec running as it is for my current corp and trade activities... but then I started thinking more and more about it about how can a trade hub even exsist in null sec? And while this one is on the over side of the galaxy to where I normally operate it got me wondering, are there any other trade hubs? and even if there was, how profitable can such a place be when, with no doubt there is probably little to no trade possible. I would like to be proven wrong, and I have no qualms about running a bit of risk to make the extra ISK, but somehow I can't help but feel that nullsec trading is like walking into the worst part of town with your rolex watch on and your wallet stuffed with money sticking out of your back pocket while waving a 50 at the teller of the local macdonalds when there is probably little reason for you to be buying a meal from there in the first place.
Alice Saki 16037	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:14:00 - [2] - Quote Sort of.... You won't find everything... oh and we're talking NPC Null *GD or Bust.*
Silk daShocka Greasy Hair Club 55	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:14:00 - [3] - Quote VFK There are others as well.
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 1015	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:14:00 - [4] - Quote There are lots. At least one is bigger than most hisec hubs. And you don't think we all fly to Jita every time we need a ship do you? Tons of ISK to be made. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 122	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:16:00 - [5] - Quote Alliances that are co-ordinated and wealthy enough can build an Outpost That then atleast enables trading to occur between those with docking rights Check DOTLAN for OP construction values, should give you a rough idea of the base level trade available.
Silk daShocka Greasy Hair Club 55	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:16:00 - [6] - Quote KrakizBad wrote: There are lots. At least one is bigger than most hisec hubs. And you don't think we all fly to Jita every time we need a ship do you? Tons of ISK to be made. The biggest one is the smaller than hek, so no none are bigger than most hisec hubs, unless you mean the hi sec hubs that no one uses.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 2574	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:16:00 - [7] - Quote K6 is so well stocked I am frequently shocked when I find modules no one really uses on the market. Many prices beat Jita as well. Oh, and when TEST is not deployed, K6 tends to have a larger population (and better prices) than Dodixie. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 755	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:16:00 - [8] - Quote VFK is a very well stocked trade hub, about the only thing you can't get locally is Marauders, and we generally don't use those anyways. Generally whatever location we are staging out of becomes a temporary trade hub as well. I know I was able to completely fit out several hulls from the local market. But will you be able to access this hub in any meaningful form? No.
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 1015	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:18:00 - [9] - Quote Silk daShocka wrote: KrakizBad wrote: There are lots. At least one is bigger than most hisec hubs. And you don't think we all fly to Jita every time we need a ship do you? Tons of ISK to be made. The biggest one is the smaller than hek, so no none are bigger than most hisec hubs, unless you mean the hi sec hubs that no one uses. That is precisely what I meant. They seem to call 'hubs' systems with less in them than VFK, idk, crazy hiseccers. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious
Beckie DeLey Living From Scraps 137	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:20:00 - [10] - Quote Tiberius StarGazer wrote: I was watching Sir Livingstones latest installment of his null sec tour and he mentions a station in nullsec which is classed as a null sec trade hub and that people should ship there and make bundles of profit... At first this revelation was music to my ears, I do a lot of low sec running as it is for my current corp and trade activities... but then I started thinking more and more about it about how can a trade hub even exsist in null sec? And while this one is on the over side of the galaxy to where I normally operate it got me wondering, are there any other trade hubs? and even if there was, how profitable can such a place be when, with no doubt there is probably little to no trade possible. I would like to be proven wrong, and I have no qualms about running a bit of risk to make the extra ISK, but somehow I can't help but feel that nullsec trading is like walking into the worst part of town with your rolex watch on and your wallet stuffed with money sticking out of your back pocket while waving a 50 at the teller of the local macdonalds when there is probably little reason for you to be buying a meal from there in the first place. Your general perception of nullsec seems to be wrong. It's really not much of a wild west out there, no matter what people like to tell you. Plenty of Iterons making their tours, for example. Well, those of the locals, at least. Basically, trade happens between allies and if you are on the 'inside', your job is actually pretty safe. It's The Legendary Extraordinary Me
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 329	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:26:00 - [11] - Quote All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub. The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita. Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 2576	Posted - 2012.11.02 00:41:00 - [12] - Quote Skydell wrote: All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub. The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita. Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming. Tell that to TEST, you lose ISK on most modules when importing. Many TEST prices are below Jita. The reason for this is because TEST has been well stocked for ages, and there are huge stockpiles of goods competing with each other on their own market. Also, Nullsec PI results in PI goods going for nearly 25-30% below Jita prices. The reason you don't see tons of people abusing this and just shipping everything to highsec is because A) not everyone has a JF and B) hiring a JF cuts into profit margins. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5003	Posted - 2012.11.02 01:00:00 - [13] - Quote The G-0/HLW area in Curse is generally pretty well stocked. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5430	Posted - 2012.11.02 01:30:00 - [14] - Quote Skydell wrote: All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub. The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita. Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming. you're really showing your market acumen here, thanks for pointing out that moving things via jump freighter is free ~a-áproud belligerent undesirable~
Cherry Delight 14th Legion Eternal Evocations 0	Posted - 2012.11.02 01:43:00 - [15] - Quote >>HED-GP
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 448	Posted - 2012.11.02 01:47:00 - [16] - Quote Andski wrote: Skydell wrote: All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub. The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita. Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming. you're really showing your market acumen here, thanks for pointing out that moving things via jump freighter is free son of ***, I've been paying to ship full freighters every couple days. ** goon scams.
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 332	Posted - 2012.11.02 01:48:00 - [17] - Quote Andski wrote: Skydell wrote: All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub. The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita. Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming. you're really showing your market acumen here, thanks for pointing out that moving things via jump freighter is free Twist it some more. Twist it how ever you want. Now do us all a favor and go choke on your own vomit
usrevenge Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 27	Posted - 2012.11.02 02:13:00 - [18] - Quote Akirei Scytale wrote: K6 is so well stocked I am frequently shocked when I find modules no one really uses on the market. Many prices beat Jita as well. Oh, and when TEST is not deployed, K6 tends to have a larger population (and better prices) than Dodixie. this, when I joined test I was surprised at how simple it was to fit a ship... though, there were no noctis for salvaging for a while.. but a few days later there were like 5.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5455	Posted - 2012.11.02 02:56:00 - [19] - Quote Skydell wrote: Twist it some more. Twist it how ever you want. Now do us all a favor and go choke on your own vomit Twisting the knife is always fun, yes. ~a-áproud belligerent undesirable~
Ammzi Infinite Covenant Tribal Band 1060	Posted - 2012.11.02 03:09:00 - [20] - Quote Skydell wrote: All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub. The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita. Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming. Neutrals and hostiles can easily buy from a market remotely and sell without needing to dock. That pretty much voids your statement on everything else in this entire thread. quote CCP Spitfire "Hello Im Blue,"
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 1378	Posted - 2012.11.02 03:18:00 - [21] - Quote Akirei Scytale wrote: Skydell wrote: All Null sec 'hubs' are regulated by Jita. If a module sells for 600K in Jita it sells for slightly higher in the outpost hub. The reason being simple. Even with NBSI and public access locked out they know their own members will harvest the markets for profit in Jita. Null alliances are dog eat dog with no sense of duty or a mechanic to prevent contamination by meta gaming. Tell that to TEST, you lose ISK on most modules when importing. Many TEST prices are below Jita. The reason for this is because TEST has been well stocked for ages, and there are huge stockpiles of goods competing with each other on their own market. Also, Nullsec PI results in PI goods going for nearly 25-30% below Jita prices. The reason you don't see tons of people abusing this and just shipping everything to highsec is because A) not everyone has a JF and B) hiring a JF cuts into profit margins. That was informative. I always wondered how the markets worked in those null stations where they have like 10,000 med shield boosters at just below Jita prices (I check many fairly regularly). They don't work. But I totally understand why they do it... keeps PvPing for members cheap and easy. I just wondered how members could get into the local market around their stations and build/sell stuff. I guess they can't. 20-35% though??? I'd JF that in a heartbeat... but you would need an alt to go to that null sec station and remote buy all that stuff, then the guy who can dock would have to JF it out, give it back to the alt for sale, and then jump back so no one noticed his JF just happened to go missing when the market got cleared. That's a lot of hoops to jump through, and if you get caught it would probably be frowned upon since it's against the organizational interest, so it may not be worth it. I guess it just depends on what kind of volume you're talking about. Every Ship in GëíGêçGëí \| [FX7] \| Vote Cthulhu 2012
Hrothgar Nilsson Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance 153	Posted - 2012.11.02 04:16:00 - [22] - Quote Tiberius StarGazer wrote: I was watching Sir Livingstones latest installment of his null sec tour and he mentions a station in nullsec which is classed as a null sec trade hub and that people should ship there and make bundles of profit... At first this revelation was music to my ears, I do a lot of low sec running as it is for my current corp and trade activities... but then I started thinking more and more about it about how can a trade hub even exsist in null sec? And while this one is on the over side of the galaxy to where I normally operate it got me wondering, are there any other trade hubs? and even if there was, how profitable can such a place be when, with no doubt there is probably little to no trade possible. I would like to be proven wrong, and I have no qualms about running a bit of risk to make the extra ISK, but somehow I can't help but feel that nullsec trading is like walking into the worst part of town with your rolex watch on and your wallet stuffed with money sticking out of your back pocket while waving a 50 at the teller of the local macdonalds when there is probably little reason for you to be buying a meal from there in the first place. You won't really be able to do any importing into player-owned outposts, they almost always have docking rights restricted to corps/alliances with +5 standings, and in some cases, even +10. As a neutral flying into null in a freighter, jump freighter, or hauler, you can be guaranteed you'll light up the intel channels and a gang will come after you. Never mind "waving a 50" at the cashier at the "local macdonalds"... even if you make it to a player owned outpost in null, the door will be locked per say on account of you not having the standings to dock. Your best bet really is to join an industrial corp in a null-sec alliance (or a corp that just has decent industrial policy). Alternatively you can join a renter corp who usually have wide access to other outposts where you can sell your product. Solar Citizens for example can freely access nearly all outposts in the Drone Regions. One of the most utterly crappy downsides for null-sec manufacturing is the hard limit one outpost per system, unlike high-sec where there are 4-5 per system. So, null-sec is hugely and in my opinion unfairly disadvantaged in this regard. Yeah, you can put manufacturing arrays on moons, but then there's the whole issue of keeping the POSes fueled. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1697	Posted - 2012.11.02 06:35:00 - [23] - Quote We already know to avoid manufacturing things besides supercapitals and the like in nullsec. Jump Freighter services are really a wonderful thing. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District 53	Posted - 2012.11.02 07:45:00 - [24] - Quote You could make NPC space trade hubs for people living close by. There is also Providence which is NRDS NullSec where you could choose a station and stock it as a hub, there is a lot of money to be made in Provi for people willing to stock the stations there. 3KB has a nice selection of stuff but is far from being a hub. "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."
Akrasjel Lanate Imperial Guardians Tribal Band 799	Posted - 2012.11.02 08:15:00 - [25] - Quote Yea, to some extend.
Oaiso 21	Posted - 2012.11.02 08:22:00 - [26] - Quote The best and most interesting thing when it comes to trade in 0.0 is to go to alliance hubs in a cloaky (you can't dock but with trade skill you don't have to) you buy up all the cheap goods which they often stock for their members. Then you resell them at huge mark-ups. You can make a huge amount of profit. It makes them incredibly buttmad, it's great. I've been on Jabber in their industry rooms, all they seem to talk about is how buttmad they are at people who do this. It is honestly, maximum market griefing. Warning: They'll continue to try to restock, so you just have to buy those up to. Luckily you'll have help in taking the cheap stuff off the market by other people doing the same as you.
Oaiso 21	Posted - 2012.11.02 08:24:00 - [27] - Quote VFK it would be harder to do it at, 6VDT slightly easier It depends on the size of the alliance. Small ones you can cripple by doing this. Just explore around in your cloaky until you find the right one
Kaylyis Line Ark Security Armaments LockJaw Inc. 39	Posted - 2012.11.02 08:25:00 - [28] - Quote Hrothgar Nilsson wrote: Alternatively you can join a renter corp I think I threw up in my mouth a little.
Hrothgar Nilsson Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance 153	Posted - 2012.11.02 09:34:00 - [29] - Quote Kaylyis wrote: Hrothgar Nilsson wrote: Alternatively you can join a renter corp I think I threw up in my mouth a little. If the guy's an industrialist, it could accommodate his playstyle. No demands for CTAs, or day-to-day drama and political bullsh-t. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 403	Posted - 2012.11.02 09:39:00 - [30] - Quote Null-sec trade hubs don't exist, null-sec retail outlets do. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid.

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